Good for adults, who build it. I don't think you get the idea behind doing most projects like this. It isn't to have some amazingly practical tool or to make money but to learn, explore, and prove you can do it yourself. This is the same type of comments people posted when the article about the non-von1 was on here. Give credit to the DIYers for doing these amazing things themselves with limited budgets.
I think a valid point would show that as technology increases the "bloat" useful or not will also increase. This enhances the experience, but everything is still comparable in results even with 20 years and 1000X the memory. Its still amazing what you can do on 33mhz and 1mg of memory - as anyone in the embedded systems world will testify for. But mostly id put this article under the "useless but fun" category.
I see this in my college also. Instead of IT they call it MIS, but the idea is the same - no math or anything. Its a degree in microsoft VB who think they will own CS majors. It spawns from all the people who think "i play games on computers, ill be a computer major!" then fail out of the first two classes and switch to MIS - then being told they are smarter then the CS majors for knowing "business." As for the stereotype; everyone here knows thats wrong, personally im preparing for my spring break snowboarding in colorado, not playing WOW(gag).
not to mention im sure 60k there will put you at the top 3%. I know here in minnesota (not cities) very few make over 50k. CS majors (the ones that actually worked in college) are getting more then that right out of school.
ooorrr, disencourage people to get into the major. Im getting offers weekly from all over the states and I still have a year left of college. The "crisis" is terrible alright... I may get to work where I want to work and get paid well for it.
problem may be with the fact that companies may not want to develop games on a system that people can just hack and download the game for. Nintendo tring to stop this wouldnt be protecting itself(directly) but companies like EA or ubisoft.
not how it went according to the article, when they grabed him he went limp. then they shocked him when he didnt get up. He refused to show his id because he was arguing he was target of racial profiling. he could of handled it better, but wasnt the taser a little to excessive to fight non-violent protests?
"Tabatabainejad did not leave the library immediately when he was asked to, but shortly afterward had begun to walk to the door with his backpack, witnesses and his attorney said.
Two officers approached the student and grabbed his arm as he was walking toward the door.
When they did not let go of his arm, Tabatabainejad fell limp to the floor because he did not want to participate in a case of racial profiling, his attorney said. "
Does this mean XML is no longer a buzz word? or is it still a way for self-important elitist 30 year old c programmers to feel superior by placing everything not used by them into a box so they can avoid change? does this make me a troll? I guess after 5 hours of applying the pumping lemma on theory of comp homework left me grumpy.
What would it be worth to find out that the Challenger mission was going to end badly
but if you sent a message back in time to warn of the error of the mission, then the error would be fixed so the message would never be sent. so how would the error be fixed?
It worked great for my college, we have been doing it for years. http://www.winona.edu/its/laptop/
we are a complete dual laptop college, every student has a laptop. No problems with theft, licensing, or tech support (tech support just learned how to reimage computers and forget anything else)
program works beautifully
I go to Winona State University which likes to throw around its claim of being one of the largest dual laptop colleges, 8000 students wandering around with laptops. Theft isnt really a huge issue.
Personally i like the program, theres a 500$ tech fee which covers the laptop plus other things like printing, online storage etc. Have a choice of mac or pc, and you can switch between them for 50$. 500$ hurts, but since tuitions only 2k its not hard to get enough grants and scholarships to cover this. I recieved a nice tablet PC, now running osX86, ubuntu, and xp tablet edition beautifully. the wireless access is decent, only using LEAP but a lot of other universities just use open wireless.
Main problem - school gets lax with tech support, with everyone using exact same hardware they just re-image computers when something wrong happens... very quick solution and they now hire basically music and business major type students for tech support. This just gets annoying.
> If you think about it, the popularity-as-sole-reason argument boils down to
> claiming that security by obscurity is enough.
I agree, it is not the only reason. I think i can admit to it being one of them though:) bots probably target larger, more popular systems, for obvious reasons.
I think little stories like this are important to come out every once and awhile. No system is 100% secure and shouldnt be treated like it. I had some friends joke about how stupid it was for there to be a linux anti-virus program, while one of my linux server has been hit by 2 virii (well, more along the line or rootkits).
Being more secure does not make you secure.
even if the computer does boot... are we going to move http to the physical layer? I can send custom packets no problem over my ethernet card. Unless every site suddenly denys access to people who dont provide verified data, which will may hurt there customer base(people still use old computers!).
Although i guess things like SMTP and HTTP headers are never modified, thats why ebay keeps sending me emails to update my user info right?
so all i have to do is dumpster dive and get your id-chip for my dastardly deeds. wonder how they could handle the disposal of those things, and how many people will follow it.
I think someone should eventually point out to you that everything has its place.
Obviously if you are running a 500mhz you wont be using Eclipse. That does not make Eclipse a bad application. Sometimes, believe it or not, its nice to have an intuitive interface and a multitude of features. Although, when im ssh'ed into my server i find vi more useful then eclipse. Same can be said with a variety of other applications (and operating systems).
look at things as a shade of gray, zealots are annoying.
hmm... Gambia prostitutes resist HIV, and was it said somewhere that Andrew Stimpsons partner had HIV? (read that in another comment not sure of its accuracy) maybe that says something about high exposure rates, of course thats probably more a correlation then cause, like ice cream causing murders (hot days murder rates go up).
one would think that the odds are astronomically against it
actually not when you consider the raw ammounts of data being transfered over the network.
it makes sense for apps to be able to treat their pipe as error-free because the underlying protocol handles checksumming in a standard way.
it is actually impossible to gaurentee the packet is 100% correct checksumming. By the same token, take 10 bits and gaurentee its what was sent with 1 bit. even with crc32 we can just gaurentee a degree of certainly that the frame is correct. Its the simliar problem as the final ACK, how do you acknowledge the final acknoledgement? We just have to realize its a problem.
We could gaurentee it if we use redundant bits... a lot. but we do not want to go back to 56k when using fiber. Errors will happen. Cosmic rays can change a bit of memory on your laptop, and a lightning storm can throw off a analog signal through a coax.
Well, each app could roll its own connection protocol over IP if it wanted
not with NAT, each protocol on top of IP requires immense kludging, just take a look at ipsec. hence IPv6
this point keeps being brought up over and over agian here.
NAT devices are not firewalls
NAT destroys the end-to-end connectivity, its just a kludge on kludge to allow limited protocol transparency - not a solution -
"Hierarchical Routing"
In a tree sometimes there will be huge branches that will never get used. IPv4 looks hierarchical but routing occurs on the netid part of the address which is flat, not hierarchical.
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Good for adults, who build it. I don't think you get the idea behind doing most projects like this. It isn't to have some amazingly practical tool or to make money but to learn, explore, and prove you can do it yourself. This is the same type of comments people posted when the article about the non-von1 was on here. Give credit to the DIYers for doing these amazing things themselves with limited budgets.
I have to agree, its kinda a sneaky thing to do. Should mod parent up
I think a valid point would show that as technology increases the "bloat" useful or not will also increase. This enhances the experience, but everything is still comparable in results even with 20 years and 1000X the memory. Its still amazing what you can do on 33mhz and 1mg of memory - as anyone in the embedded systems world will testify for. But mostly id put this article under the "useless but fun" category.
I see this in my college also. Instead of IT they call it MIS, but the idea is the same - no math or anything. Its a degree in microsoft VB who think they will own CS majors. It spawns from all the people who think "i play games on computers, ill be a computer major!" then fail out of the first two classes and switch to MIS - then being told they are smarter then the CS majors for knowing "business." As for the stereotype; everyone here knows thats wrong, personally im preparing for my spring break snowboarding in colorado, not playing WOW(gag).
where does the ieee point this out? Ive been looking for it and ive only found things like http://www.stargazettenews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic le?AID=/20070225/BUSINESS02/702250319
http://esj.com/it_info_center/article.aspx?Editori alsID=27
that say its been going up. If it is just survey of IEEE members... eh. Here at least (rochester mn) CS majors (good ones, C and D students obviously has a harder time) are getting paid more out of college then nursing(mayo) students.
Need to quit being so greedy and expecting 300k for a job that is not really that hard. Dont be a emo, quit whining!
not to mention im sure 60k there will put you at the top 3%. I know here in minnesota (not cities) very few make over 50k. CS majors (the ones that actually worked in college) are getting more then that right out of school.
ooorrr, disencourage people to get into the major. Im getting offers weekly from all over the states and I still have a year left of college. The "crisis" is terrible alright... I may get to work where I want to work and get paid well for it.
pumping money into the middle east is not the same as funding terrorism
problem may be with the fact that companies may not want to develop games on a system that people can just hack and download the game for. Nintendo tring to stop this wouldnt be protecting itself(directly) but companies like EA or ubisoft.
not how it went according to the article, when they grabed him he went limp. then they shocked him when he didnt get up. He refused to show his id because he was arguing he was target of racial profiling. he could of handled it better, but wasnt the taser a little to excessive to fight non-violent protests?
"Tabatabainejad did not leave the library immediately when he was asked to, but shortly afterward had begun to walk to the door with his backpack, witnesses and his attorney said.
Two officers approached the student and grabbed his arm as he was walking toward the door.
When they did not let go of his arm, Tabatabainejad fell limp to the floor because he did not want to participate in a case of racial profiling, his attorney said. "
Does this mean XML is no longer a buzz word? or is it still a way for self-important elitist 30 year old c programmers to feel superior by placing everything not used by them into a box so they can avoid change? does this make me a troll? I guess after 5 hours of applying the pumping lemma on theory of comp homework left me grumpy.
What would it be worth to find out that the Challenger mission was going to end badly but if you sent a message back in time to warn of the error of the mission, then the error would be fixed so the message would never be sent. so how would the error be fixed?
It worked great for my college, we have been doing it for years.
http://www.winona.edu/its/laptop/
we are a complete dual laptop college, every student has a laptop. No problems with theft, licensing, or tech support (tech support just learned how to reimage computers and forget anything else)
program works beautifully
I go to Winona State University which likes to throw around its claim of being one of the largest dual laptop colleges, 8000 students wandering around with laptops. Theft isnt really a huge issue. Personally i like the program, theres a 500$ tech fee which covers the laptop plus other things like printing, online storage etc. Have a choice of mac or pc, and you can switch between them for 50$. 500$ hurts, but since tuitions only 2k its not hard to get enough grants and scholarships to cover this. I recieved a nice tablet PC, now running osX86, ubuntu, and xp tablet edition beautifully. the wireless access is decent, only using LEAP but a lot of other universities just use open wireless. Main problem - school gets lax with tech support, with everyone using exact same hardware they just re-image computers when something wrong happens... very quick solution and they now hire basically music and business major type students for tech support. This just gets annoying.
As a student whose graded other students work, and looked at my own... i have to agree - dont let us code anything of importance
> If you think about it, the popularity-as-sole-reason argument boils down to > claiming that security by obscurity is enough. I agree, it is not the only reason. I think i can admit to it being one of them though :) bots probably target larger, more popular systems, for obvious reasons.
I think little stories like this are important to come out every once and awhile. No system is 100% secure and shouldnt be treated like it. I had some friends joke about how stupid it was for there to be a linux anti-virus program, while one of my linux server has been hit by 2 virii (well, more along the line or rootkits).
Being more secure does not make you secure.
even if the computer does boot... are we going to move http to the physical layer? I can send custom packets no problem over my ethernet card. Unless every site suddenly denys access to people who dont provide verified data, which will may hurt there customer base(people still use old computers!). Although i guess things like SMTP and HTTP headers are never modified, thats why ebay keeps sending me emails to update my user info right?
so all i have to do is dumpster dive and get your id-chip for my dastardly deeds. wonder how they could handle the disposal of those things, and how many people will follow it.
I think someone should eventually point out to you that everything has its place. Obviously if you are running a 500mhz you wont be using Eclipse. That does not make Eclipse a bad application. Sometimes, believe it or not, its nice to have an intuitive interface and a multitude of features. Although, when im ssh'ed into my server i find vi more useful then eclipse. Same can be said with a variety of other applications (and operating systems). look at things as a shade of gray, zealots are annoying.
hmm... Gambia prostitutes resist HIV, and was it said somewhere that Andrew Stimpsons partner had HIV? (read that in another comment not sure of its accuracy) maybe that says something about high exposure rates, of course thats probably more a correlation then cause, like ice cream causing murders (hot days murder rates go up).
since no one else is gonna yell at me... IP routes packets not ethernet frames newb! datalink layer is below the network layer
one would think that the odds are astronomically against it actually not when you consider the raw ammounts of data being transfered over the network. it makes sense for apps to be able to treat their pipe as error-free because the underlying protocol handles checksumming in a standard way. it is actually impossible to gaurentee the packet is 100% correct checksumming. By the same token, take 10 bits and gaurentee its what was sent with 1 bit. even with crc32 we can just gaurentee a degree of certainly that the frame is correct. Its the simliar problem as the final ACK, how do you acknowledge the final acknoledgement? We just have to realize its a problem. We could gaurentee it if we use redundant bits... a lot. but we do not want to go back to 56k when using fiber. Errors will happen. Cosmic rays can change a bit of memory on your laptop, and a lightning storm can throw off a analog signal through a coax. Well, each app could roll its own connection protocol over IP if it wanted not with NAT, each protocol on top of IP requires immense kludging, just take a look at ipsec. hence IPv6
this point keeps being brought up over and over agian here. NAT devices are not firewalls NAT destroys the end-to-end connectivity, its just a kludge on kludge to allow limited protocol transparency - not a solution -
"Hierarchical Routing" In a tree sometimes there will be huge branches that will never get used. IPv4 looks hierarchical but routing occurs on the netid part of the address which is flat, not hierarchical.