There are a couple of problems I can see with this going off right, although I completely agree with the initiative at its essence.
For one, as far as I've been able to tell, Unisys hasn't made any real attempts to ENFORCE this since making that initial announcement (I'm sure somebody will correct me if I'm wrong).
The second issue is that PNG support in web browsers isn't perfect, and from what I've seen, animated PNG support is nonexistant... is it really feasible to do this now ? Imagine the logical extreme... java/javascript ad banners... AAARRARARRRGH !!!!!
Again, I completely agree with this initiative, and long-since scrapped all my GIF usage a long time ago, and I've been lobbying my school (Georgia Tech) to do the same in all class curricula and on their web page. But, I just don't think that there's a workable alternative for ALL usage of GIFs right now.
Excellent, the traffic between our 2 subnets must be enormous;-)
As for Slackware, hells yeah, I'm running a (very busy) mirror OF slackare, ON slackware right now, and it's not missing a beat... thank you, Ultra-Wide SCSI =)
I just put my mirror online. ftp://thewalrus.gt.ed.net/pub I will probably take it down after about 24 hours. Georgia Tech OIT will core me a new asshole if I take up that much bandwidth for long;-) The source iso is not complete yet, just wait for it to become readable and that means it's done.;-)
Slack 7.0 is not out, not yet. I just talk'ed one of the two Slack developers who, like me, are students at Georgia Tech. Here's the deal.
They are basically done, and are coordinating the last-minute shenanigans with Patrick. They are now moving the finished product into a publically accessible area as I type this (probably done by now). Then it will go live.
On a related note, the web page has NOT been hacked, they've been playing around with it today for fun, and to keep people from bugging them while they get the release ready.
I just talk'ed one of the three developers of Slackware (we're both students at Georgia Tech, he lives within walking distance.;-)
The website WAS NOT hacked, they went thru various pages as a hoax to keep people from bugging them while they put the finishing touches on Slack 7.0. It is being moved over as we speak.
I live in Atlanta and am a student at Georgia Tech. Coke not only has a monopoly over my school, but they have the city itself in a decent stranglehold... it's hard to find anything but Coke. It's also extremely hot here...
Excuse me while I go kick a Coke exec's ass, the building is right across North Avenue... 10 minutes walk >:->
OpenBSD has undergone a line-by-line professional security audit. It is focused entirely on security. FreeBSD is the most mature of the BSDs on the i386 platform. It focuses mostly on that platform, although I believe that there is a sparc port as well now. NetBSD's hook is that it is ported to everything including the kitchen sink. It ran well on the Vaxen and the Apollos that I came across not so long ago.;-)
Based on user testimonial, the linux Binary emulation is extremely good for anything that isn't specifically tied to the kernel. i.e. you can't load kernel modules. I've seen somebody run StarOffice 5.0 on OpenBSD using the emulation.
I'm installing OpenBSD on a 486 tonite, so maybe I'll follow up with some more first-hand info soon.;-)
OO itself doesn't cause bugs to creep in so much as one of the most popular OO languages, and I believe the true target of the posters rants, C++.
Now, I know that amazing things can be and have been done with that language. But even C++'s name betrays it is as a kludge. It is a bunch of OO theory that was, at the time of C++'s birth, extremely immature, that has been slapped onto an established procedural language, steeped heavily in procedure-centric structures and design concepts.
I have found that other OO languages, ones that were designed that way from the ground up, are much more elegant, syntax-clean, and maintainable than C++, while allowing one to more easily scale up the process of software engineering than a procedural language. (Which is, of course, a textbook benefit of the OO way of thinking).
Before you give up on OO as a whole, at least try out Python, Eiffel, and Smalltalk. Don't try Java until you're convinced.;-)
At Georgia Tech, SSN=Student ID, but it's not visible anywhere, such as on our ID cards. Publicly accessible records available by SSN are password-locked, also.
-Every time I think about that little chip company that could and how much Intel has hurt
It just occured to me how odd this reference, which is often applied to Linux as well, must seem to people who weren't indoctrinated with "The Little Engine that Could" in their preschool years. I'd wager that that book isn't nearly as pervasive overseas as it is in the U.S.
Well, the way I see it, MS has gotten NT installed in several federal gov't institutions. Given the security holes and trojan horses that abound in NT, this could qualify as an act of war against the United States.
TREASON !!! The only crime addressed directly by the US Constitution, and still punishable by death. =)
Not that it matters, because the Microsoft EULA doesn't allow even internal distribution like the GPL explicitly does, but your argument wouldn't hold up even in that scenario, because from a legal standpoint a corporation functions as an individual. They are subject to laws applicable to individuals, you can put a corporation on trial, etc... which calls to mind an interesting argument... could a corporation *cough*Microsoft*cough* be sentenced to the Death Penalty ? >:->
Let's not forget all this bitchin OSS has to have hardware to run on. These are two companies that seem to be committed to the idea of open HARDWARE as well, and that cannot be overlooked.
Look more closely. 3Dfx has released the 2D source and even the register specs for 2D programming, hence the X-Server and, IIRC, an SVGALib driver that is underway. However, the 3D driver was done mainly by volunteer Daryll Strauss, who has since moved on to work with Precision Insight. They were done under NDA, and the source hasn't yet been released, neither the programming specs.
Sure, they worked well, but for some it's a political choice. As of right now, for instance, my nVidia Riva TNT2 Ultra isn't quite as fast for 3D as the 3Dfx Voodoo Banshee card I had before. (This is expected to change dramatically with XFree 4.0's DRI, but that's neither here nor there). However, nVidia has done the "Right Thing", releasing programming specs and driver source code, whereas 3Dfx staunchly refuses to give up their precious source, and releases binary-only drivers. This makes nVidia more valuable to me, both for supporting the OSS movement and because I know that even if nVidia ceases to exist tomorrow, it is possible for support for my card to evolve and improve through community effort. Well, if 3Com has done the "Right Thing", then it's worthwhile to support them, it would be worthwhile even if the drivers WEREN'T already of the high quality that they are, because they are showing that they care to expand their customers' freedom of choice.
I was not aware that one of the goals of the mozilla project was to integrate all protocols under one interface... IMHO that is a BAD thing... A web browser should be a web browser... there's a good argument to be made for it to be a minimalist FTP client and it's even conceivable for it to be an email and news reader as well , although all three would work better as optional plugins, that way I could hand off the URLs to pine, tin, and ncftp if I want.
EVERYTHING else should be an optional plugin. I already have 2 perfectly good instant messaging clients right now, and I don't want Mo usurping them...
What's next, will Mo play mp3s ? Why not, Winamp parses HTML... pheh...
Oh well, I didn't want NFS and HTTP to be parts of the kernel either. Nobody ever listens to me. ;)
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There are a couple of problems I can see with this going off right, although I completely agree with the initiative at its essence.
For one, as far as I've been able to tell, Unisys hasn't made any real attempts to ENFORCE this since making that initial announcement (I'm sure somebody will correct me if I'm wrong).
The second issue is that PNG support in web browsers isn't perfect, and from what I've seen, animated PNG support is nonexistant... is it really feasible to do this now ? Imagine the logical extreme... java/javascript ad banners... AAARRARARRRGH !!!!!
Again, I completely agree with this initiative, and long-since scrapped all my GIF usage a long time ago, and I've been lobbying my school (Georgia Tech) to do the same in all class curricula and on their web page. But, I just don't think that there's a workable alternative for ALL usage of GIFs right now.
Okay, I've stopped allowing new logins. Anybody that's already on can finish, but there will be no new connections for now.
> I work about 30 feet away from attrition.org
;-)
Excellent, the traffic between our 2 subnets must be enormous
As for Slackware, hells yeah, I'm running a (very busy) mirror OF slackare, ON slackware right now, and it's not missing a beat... thank you, Ultra-Wide SCSI =)
They just downloaded the stuff from another server here on campus (Georgia Tech) as a joke.
I just put my mirror online. ;-) ;-)
ftp://thewalrus.gt.ed.net/pub
I will probably take it down after about 24 hours. Georgia Tech OIT will core me a new asshole if I take up that much bandwidth for long
The source iso is not complete yet, just wait for it to become readable and that means it's done.
Slack 7.0 is not out, not yet. I just talk'ed one of the two Slack developers who, like me, are students at Georgia Tech. Here's the deal.
They are basically done, and are coordinating the last-minute shenanigans with Patrick. They are now moving the finished product into a publically accessible area as I type this (probably done by now). Then it will go live.
On a related note, the web page has NOT been hacked, they've been playing around with it today for fun, and to keep people from bugging them while they get the release ready.
I just talk'ed one of the three developers of Slackware (we're both students at Georgia Tech, he lives within walking distance. ;-)
The website WAS NOT hacked, they went thru various pages as a hoax to keep people from bugging them while they put the finishing touches on Slack 7.0. It is being moved over as we speak.
I live in Atlanta and am a student at Georgia Tech. Coke not only has a monopoly over my school, but they have the city itself in a decent stranglehold... it's hard to find anything but Coke. It's also extremely hot here...
Excuse me while I go kick a Coke exec's ass, the building is right across North Avenue... 10 minutes walk >:->
Here's how I understand it.
;-)
;-)
OpenBSD has undergone a line-by-line professional security audit. It is focused entirely on security.
FreeBSD is the most mature of the BSDs on the i386 platform. It focuses mostly on that platform, although I believe that there is a sparc port as well now.
NetBSD's hook is that it is ported to everything including the kitchen sink. It ran well on the Vaxen and the Apollos that I came across not so long ago.
Based on user testimonial, the linux Binary emulation is extremely good for anything that isn't specifically tied to the kernel. i.e. you can't load kernel modules. I've seen somebody run StarOffice 5.0 on OpenBSD using the emulation.
I'm installing OpenBSD on a 486 tonite, so maybe I'll follow up with some more first-hand info soon.
Did you find any good sites of turned-to-stone stuff ? You've got me interested. ;-)
p.s. I am a Dungeons and Dragons reject. Go me.
I always thought I was supposed to approach with SYN, and if you approved, you replied with ACK.
Then again, all I ever seem to get is NAK, NAK, NAK. =(
What killed BetaMax was that the tapes weren't long enough to record feature-length films.
OO itself doesn't cause bugs to creep in so much as one of the most popular OO languages, and I believe the true target of the posters rants, C++.
;-)
Now, I know that amazing things can be and have been done with that language. But even C++'s name betrays it is as a kludge. It is a bunch of OO theory that was, at the time of C++'s birth, extremely immature, that has been slapped onto an established procedural language, steeped heavily in procedure-centric structures and design concepts.
I have found that other OO languages, ones that were designed that way from the ground up, are much more elegant, syntax-clean, and maintainable than C++, while allowing one to more easily scale up the process of software engineering than a procedural language. (Which is, of course, a textbook benefit of the OO way of thinking).
Before you give up on OO as a whole, at least try out Python, Eiffel, and Smalltalk. Don't try Java until you're convinced.
At Georgia Tech, SSN=Student ID, but it's not visible anywhere, such as on our ID cards. Publicly accessible records available by SSN are password-locked, also.
> Do you think only US citizens read books?
Not at all. I just don't presume to think you read all the SAME books that we do.
-Every time I think about that little chip company that could and how much Intel has hurt
It just occured to me how odd this reference, which is often applied to Linux as well, must seem to people who weren't indoctrinated with "The Little Engine that Could" in their preschool years. I'd wager that that book isn't nearly as pervasive overseas as it is in the U.S.
So that's why people put "humor.h" in quotes instead of HTML-like brackets. And that's why there's a 'preview' button also. =/
#include
Well, the way I see it, MS has gotten NT installed in several federal gov't institutions. Given the security holes and trojan horses that abound in NT, this could qualify as an act of war against the United States.
TREASON !!! The only crime addressed directly by the US Constitution, and still punishable by death. =)
Not that it matters, because the Microsoft EULA doesn't allow even internal distribution like the GPL explicitly does, but your argument wouldn't hold up even in that scenario, because from a legal standpoint a corporation functions as an individual. They are subject to laws applicable to individuals, you can put a corporation on trial, etc... which calls to mind an interesting argument... could a corporation *cough*Microsoft*cough* be sentenced to the Death Penalty ? >:->
IANAL
Let's not forget all this bitchin OSS has to have hardware to run on. These are two companies that seem to be committed to the idea of open HARDWARE as well, and that cannot be overlooked.
Look more closely. 3Dfx has released the 2D source and even the register specs for 2D programming, hence the X-Server and, IIRC, an SVGALib driver that is underway. However, the 3D driver was done mainly by volunteer Daryll Strauss, who has since moved on to work with Precision Insight. They were done under NDA, and the source hasn't yet been released, neither the programming specs.
nVidia released a detailed document about their register specs.
i ew
https://www.nvidia.com/nv/nvarch.nsf/Home?OpenV
Sure, they worked well, but for some it's a political choice. As of right now, for instance, my nVidia Riva TNT2 Ultra isn't quite as fast for 3D as the 3Dfx Voodoo Banshee card I had before. (This is expected to change dramatically with XFree 4.0's DRI, but that's neither here nor there). However, nVidia has done the "Right Thing", releasing programming specs and driver source code, whereas 3Dfx staunchly refuses to give up their precious source, and releases binary-only drivers. This makes nVidia more valuable to me, both for supporting the OSS movement and because I know that even if nVidia ceases to exist tomorrow, it is possible for support for my card to evolve and improve through community effort. Well, if 3Com has done the "Right Thing", then it's worthwhile to support them, it would be worthwhile even if the drivers WEREN'T already of the high quality that they are, because they are showing that they care to expand their customers' freedom of choice.
> Your proposal makes no sense at the application level.
Ummmm....
Ummmmmmmmm.........
I guess I'd better uninstall Netscape standalone browser, IglooFTP, Licq, Gaim, Pine, Tin, and Ncftp, then...
I was not aware that one of the goals of the mozilla project was to integrate all protocols under one interface... IMHO that is a BAD thing... A web browser should be a web browser... there's a good argument to be made for it to be a minimalist FTP client and it's even conceivable for it to be an email and news reader as well , although all three would work better as optional plugins, that way I could hand off the URLs to pine, tin, and ncftp if I want.
;)
EVERYTHING else should be an optional plugin. I already have 2 perfectly good instant messaging clients right now, and I don't want Mo usurping them...
What's next, will Mo play mp3s ? Why not, Winamp parses HTML... pheh...
Oh well, I didn't want NFS and HTTP to be parts of the kernel either. Nobody ever listens to me.