Afterthought:
These commands we are talking about aren't even something affecting the entire distribution. If you feel they are that necessary, re-compile BASH with this feature, because I'm not writing code for it. But to imply that the default shell should include these features that would only bloat it to the point of being unrecognizable is arrogant to the opinions of hundreds of thousands of users that are already happy with the basic Linux shell that can fit on a bootable floppy.
Well, let's think this through logically. If new distributions with Windows-XP-like ease start coming out, more will soon follow and any that are true to Unix tradition of high power and low size will become more and more outdated to the point of being obsolete. I want distributions like Slackware to be around forever, not suffocated by garbage like Lindows (http://www.lindows.com) and Mandrake. I haven't a problem with customizing Linux, that's why it was made, but when corporate companies like SCO and Redhat are using similar monopoly-creating tactics to Gates's at Microsoft, I don't have the freedom that I am guaranteed by the GPL, which, in case you haven't noticed, the Linux kernel is published under.
More lazy users who don't want to figure anything out by themselves will only lead to more distributions like Redhat and Mandrake. No power, but easy as hell. Also quite corporate. They can't even include MP3 playback for licensing reasons. This isn't the Linux I want.
Why do we need such commands in Linux? I don't think there is any reason to dumb it down to Windows-XP-like-standrads. It's not that hard to go online and look stuff up, or at the very least find someone who can reccomend the "man" command for you... i was a newbie less than a year ago, and i figured out everything i could have ever wanted to know about linux (and used every major distribution) in that time. We don't need people on the Linux side if they are too lazy to do some searching.
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Afterthought: These commands we are talking about aren't even something affecting the entire distribution. If you feel they are that necessary, re-compile BASH with this feature, because I'm not writing code for it. But to imply that the default shell should include these features that would only bloat it to the point of being unrecognizable is arrogant to the opinions of hundreds of thousands of users that are already happy with the basic Linux shell that can fit on a bootable floppy.
Well, let's think this through logically. If new distributions with Windows-XP-like ease start coming out, more will soon follow and any that are true to Unix tradition of high power and low size will become more and more outdated to the point of being obsolete. I want distributions like Slackware to be around forever, not suffocated by garbage like Lindows (http://www.lindows.com) and Mandrake. I haven't a problem with customizing Linux, that's why it was made, but when corporate companies like SCO and Redhat are using similar monopoly-creating tactics to Gates's at Microsoft, I don't have the freedom that I am guaranteed by the GPL, which, in case you haven't noticed, the Linux kernel is published under.
More lazy users who don't want to figure anything out by themselves will only lead to more distributions like Redhat and Mandrake. No power, but easy as hell. Also quite corporate. They can't even include MP3 playback for licensing reasons. This isn't the Linux I want.
Why do we need such commands in Linux? I don't think there is any reason to dumb it down to Windows-XP-like-standrads. It's not that hard to go online and look stuff up, or at the very least find someone who can reccomend the "man" command for you...
i was a newbie less than a year ago, and i figured out everything i could have ever wanted to know about linux (and used every major distribution) in that time. We don't need people on the Linux side if they are too lazy to do some searching.