I don't believe that I ever said I was angry at you. I said that my blood runs hot when someone avails themselves of the liberties and freedoms that others have fought and died for, people who believed in something strongly enough to give their lives for it, only to have you openly condemn the way that it was procured.
If you tell me that you don't believe in fighting or killing, that's fine, I can respect that within certain limits, but when you tell me that I'm mistaken for believing that this country is worth fighting for, when you tell me that everyone who believes in defending this nation is wrong for wanting to do so, that's when I have a problem.
"Who asked you to provide me with anything? Damned sure wasn't me?"
But you got it anyway right, so if someone decided to take it away from you now, you'd scream bloody murder. Are you conflicted at all inside, to loathe something that you're a daily recipient of?
"Your brand of freedom, which can only be gained by killing some and enslaving others, I can do without."
But that is how the United States was instituted, by people roused to anger by unfair treatment, and those willing to die for what they believe in.
Fine, do an Alec Baldwin and at least promise to leave. Again, renounce your citizenship. Do it here, you've come really really close with that last statement. Make it public, you sure don't want anything more to do with a nation that has a past as bloody as ours. Delta is ready when you are; we can even do a little pacifist aid benefit and get you a one way ticket.
I pay taxes, I serve my country, and yes I can be roused to violence on its behalf.
You are saying that you never get angry, are never upset when someone does something to you that you don't like? Then quite frankly, why am I arguing with you, you're nothing anyway. You won't do anything to me; you've admitted that, and no body's going to take you seriously.
Have you considered the Swiss? They stay pretty much neutral and have the singular distinction, much like you, of having nothing of value or that anybody wants.
I got ya, so the revolutionary war was unnecessary to separate us from the British. The declaration of Independence, the Constitution is just so much fluff, and no one needed to have died for this country to have been formed.
What I'd really like to do is slap the crap out of you a couple of times to see if you really stand by your convictions, as I start to escalate the force applied, at some point one of us will be dead.
I'm sure that I'm not going to convince you of anything, and I'm not going to resort to calling you names. But again, you're here and able to put forth your opinion because somewhere rough men stand ready to do violence on your behalf.
The way I see it, you've got a couple of choices: 1) Renounce your citizenship, go somewhere else -- New Zealand is supposed to be pretty cool. 2) Become a Misanthrope -- if you can find a cave to crawl into or a deserted island. Either way, that should give you the freedom you crave, but you'll always be running away. For me, I'd rather participate in society, and continue to believe in the protection that I'm afforded as a U.S. Citizen, have a voice and a chance to make things better through democratic means. If you've got real ideas to change things, let's hear 'em - but don't just tell me I'm mistaken, proclaim the U.S. Government is nothing but despots and insult my family and ancestry.
Oh, and by the way, some of those that you insulted in saying that they did a very incomplete job are my family who fought and died for this country. My blood runs hot when someone like you avails yourself to at least this modicum of freedom we enjoy while insulting those who helped provide it. I dare say that there is a special plane in hell held in reserve.
Then by the definitions listed above you are already a party to killing if you are living in our society. This country fought wars in which many people died in order to exist today.
You're going to tell me that you have the right to avail yourself to the freedoms and the privileges of American society, and then look down your nose at those who have and are defending and protecting the "right to do as you choose"?
Do you have any idea what has been done to provide you with the very freedom that you wave in our faces now as your right?
I'm just an American citizen, and I do what I can to help defend, protect and preserve this country, they don't have to draft me, I'm already on board. You say that being involved in the military is being involved in killing, I say, being alive is being involved in killing. Any way you look at it, at some point something has to die for you to be alive and pecking out your hypocritical drivel right now.
So let's do as you allude, disband our military. How long do you think it will be before some third world despot comes here and subjugates you?
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I don't believe that I ever said I was angry at you. I said that my blood runs hot when someone avails themselves of the liberties and freedoms that others have fought and died for, people who believed in something strongly enough to give their lives for it, only to have you openly condemn the way that it was procured. If you tell me that you don't believe in fighting or killing, that's fine, I can respect that within certain limits, but when you tell me that I'm mistaken for believing that this country is worth fighting for, when you tell me that everyone who believes in defending this nation is wrong for wanting to do so, that's when I have a problem.
"Who asked you to provide me with anything? Damned sure wasn't me?" But you got it anyway right, so if someone decided to take it away from you now, you'd scream bloody murder. Are you conflicted at all inside, to loathe something that you're a daily recipient of? "Your brand of freedom, which can only be gained by killing some and enslaving others, I can do without." But that is how the United States was instituted, by people roused to anger by unfair treatment, and those willing to die for what they believe in. Fine, do an Alec Baldwin and at least promise to leave. Again, renounce your citizenship. Do it here, you've come really really close with that last statement. Make it public, you sure don't want anything more to do with a nation that has a past as bloody as ours. Delta is ready when you are; we can even do a little pacifist aid benefit and get you a one way ticket. I pay taxes, I serve my country, and yes I can be roused to violence on its behalf. You are saying that you never get angry, are never upset when someone does something to you that you don't like? Then quite frankly, why am I arguing with you, you're nothing anyway. You won't do anything to me; you've admitted that, and no body's going to take you seriously. Have you considered the Swiss? They stay pretty much neutral and have the singular distinction, much like you, of having nothing of value or that anybody wants.
I got ya, so the revolutionary war was unnecessary to separate us from the British. The declaration of Independence, the Constitution is just so much fluff, and no one needed to have died for this country to have been formed. What I'd really like to do is slap the crap out of you a couple of times to see if you really stand by your convictions, as I start to escalate the force applied, at some point one of us will be dead. I'm sure that I'm not going to convince you of anything, and I'm not going to resort to calling you names. But again, you're here and able to put forth your opinion because somewhere rough men stand ready to do violence on your behalf. The way I see it, you've got a couple of choices: 1) Renounce your citizenship, go somewhere else -- New Zealand is supposed to be pretty cool. 2) Become a Misanthrope -- if you can find a cave to crawl into or a deserted island. Either way, that should give you the freedom you crave, but you'll always be running away. For me, I'd rather participate in society, and continue to believe in the protection that I'm afforded as a U.S. Citizen, have a voice and a chance to make things better through democratic means. If you've got real ideas to change things, let's hear 'em - but don't just tell me I'm mistaken, proclaim the U.S. Government is nothing but despots and insult my family and ancestry. Oh, and by the way, some of those that you insulted in saying that they did a very incomplete job are my family who fought and died for this country. My blood runs hot when someone like you avails yourself to at least this modicum of freedom we enjoy while insulting those who helped provide it. I dare say that there is a special plane in hell held in reserve.
Then by the definitions listed above you are already a party to killing if you are living in our society. This country fought wars in which many people died in order to exist today. You're going to tell me that you have the right to avail yourself to the freedoms and the privileges of American society, and then look down your nose at those who have and are defending and protecting the "right to do as you choose"? Do you have any idea what has been done to provide you with the very freedom that you wave in our faces now as your right? I'm just an American citizen, and I do what I can to help defend, protect and preserve this country, they don't have to draft me, I'm already on board. You say that being involved in the military is being involved in killing, I say, being alive is being involved in killing. Any way you look at it, at some point something has to die for you to be alive and pecking out your hypocritical drivel right now. So let's do as you allude, disband our military. How long do you think it will be before some third world despot comes here and subjugates you?