That's always been the case but the end users have never been sued before. Take for example the intermittent wiper patent debacle (look it up). Somebody had the patent on the intermittent wiper and after several years of sitting on it they filed a lawsuit against a car manufacturer (I think it was ford). They could have sued just about everybody who had a car but they didn't. why? Too much work, not enough money. Easier to go after one fat target.
The laws of economics haven't changed. No company is going to sue all the end users. At most they will sue a couple of the fat cats and hope for a settlement.
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Lucky for you there is NDS. Although it too is proprietary it does not try to own your entire network or force you to choose one OS or another.
Redhat is about to open source the netscape directory tool too.
SUn does not charge that much for support compared to redhat. I really don't see how they are going to sustain a business based on nothing but high end hardware and support. There just isn't enough money there to keep sun at the same size let alone growing.
MS has already forked java. It's called C#. They don't give a shit about java anymore. In their minds they already destroyed it. Why? Because they locked java on to the server and it is no longer a desktop threat.
Considering that SCO has yet to prove it owns that code I'd say it was wasted money.
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Read this article from motley fool. Everybody is wondering how sun is going to make money. Before you say "service" keep in mind the most expensive support plan from SUN is less then the least expensive support plan from RedHat. They can't possibly make up the difference from support if they are practically giving that away too.
So what's left to sell? Intel boxes? AMD64 Boxes? Sparc workstations?
Do you really see Sun sustaining itself with those products? I don't.
There is only one thing that sun has that could make it money and that's patents.
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"It's attitudes like this that make me want to see SCO sue the crap out of the Linux community, and win, one machine at a time. "
Well It's not like Sun is not trying to make that happen. They have already given SCO 9 million dollars and have signed a cross patent licensing with MS. SUN clearly (and rightly) sees linux as a competitor and would love nothing more then to destroy it.
I really don't get where your hostility comes from. First of all Sun is "just another corporation". If they folded tommorow I wouldn't five a flying donut. Secondly they have acted if not outright hostile then at least belligerent towards linux. And finally it's clear they have no idea what they are doing or what they want. The upper management is contradicting each other, they say bizaare things, and they are bleeding money.
" And this is why the vast majority of liberals can't understand why Bush won."
Yes. I don't understand at all. The ignorant masses treated this election like a beauty paegant. Instead of voting for the guy who was smarter, had a better plan or whatever they voted for the guy they "liked better". I don't understand it at all.
"Whatever you personally might think of these people or how seriously you take their beliefs, there are a lot of them, and they control the nukes."
Yes, and it's going to be sad to watch this country slide into theocracy because of them. Yesterday they had a Pray In for specter.
SCO has only sued it's own customers. If you don't want to be sued don't become a customer of a litigious company. Yes that means SCO and MS. MS is constantly in court.
You and PJ interpret that phrase differently. What that means is that any lawyers will also interpret that phrase differently. What that means is "see you in court"
Depends on who you talk to. For creationists the world was created just a few thousand years ago. They will be arguing that these stones are less then ten thousand year old.
The one who knows how to make chemical weapons or poisons. Guns are overrated. Go ask the palestenians if you don't believe me.
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"Hunting is about the lengths you will go to keep your family fed and healthy."
I'd believe this if you ate what you hunted. But you don't so it has nothing to do with that.
Hunting is about killing and proving your manhood. Every hunter went through that ritual with their dad or whatever. They killed, they got to like that feeling. Like you said we are animals and predetors. Killing is fun.
No I am not going to any such thing. You are because you made bad choices when you chose to code your applications. When you choose poorly you lock yourself into a vendor. That's whats happened to you. I am sorry, I feel bad for you. Just pray and hope that your competition also made the same poor choice. If they chose wisely and stayed agile as a result you will in most likelyhood be out of business in a few years.
I don't know what ERP software you are talking about here. There are numerous ERP sofwares for Linux.
"SQL report writers (Crystal Reports for example)"
Jasper reports and related projects handle this just fine.
"legacy DOS applications (that run without emulation)"
Why do they have to run without emulation? Why isn't dosbox good enough? That's like saying "i want to run dos programs but only in an OS made by MS".
"vertical applications related to the industry this company competes"
Depends on the industry and depends on the application. So yes your company may be stuck with windows due to some choices you made when you purchased software. All I have to tell you is that there are consequences to choosing software that locks you into one vendor.
". Take the report writer; without Seagate Software offering a Linux version, we'd have rewrite thousands of reports unless a comparable piece of software existed that has all the features of Crystal reports we use and can do the conversion for us. Until then here is no way that will fly."
This is a different topic. You are talking about migration. I am talking about setting up somebody fresh. Migration issues are very difficult when the company has made bad purchasing decisions. As you said you are locked into windows because you chose crystal. You are now at the mercy of crystal and MS. It's up to them whether you migrate or not. That decision has been taken away from you, your sysadmins, and your management. It's not called vendor lock for nothing.
"Also, we write a lot of in-house software using Borland's Delphi product. Kylix (version that runs on Linux) is not even comparable. We'd have to retool. Again, a time consuming process. In this case, the state of Kylix is solely Borland's fault."
It's not borland's fault. It's your fault. You chose delphi borland didn't make you use it. You could have used java, you could have used python, but you chose to use delphi. You really have nobody to blame but yourself.
"If the business moves over to Linux gradually, there is increased administrative effort."
Depends on the business and choices that they made. In the case of your business that's true. But another business which standardised on Java software for example would have very little problems. If a company chose another report writer they would have very little problems.
"I'm not suggesting that Linux won't be there. Just that it isn't there yet."
It's there for anybody starting fresh, it's there for anybody who chose not to lock themselves into one vendor. It's clearly not there for you or your company. The best you can hope for at this point is that your competitor is also locked in and can't switch to save costs.
According to the parent those products don't "just work" in windows either. If implementing wine is less work then trying to get quickbooks to work under a restricted user in XP why wouldn't you choose the easier road?
I just installed FC3 and it seems like it's pretty much there. Is there a specific functionality you are thinking about? You have all the basics, office, email, browsing etc.
The courts have to follow the letter of the law. If I have 13 random seconds of a song on my hard drive can the MPAA really make a case that I should have to pay a fine as if I was sharing the full and complete song? I don't think so.
Oh thanks for the compliment. I too think it's clever but then again I thought of it myself.
Personally I think it will be good for them. Arabs historically have been very innovative and have literally invented science, mathematics, medicine etc. When oil became big it lulled them into complacency and to an extent fundementalism. They would be better off without oil, it would force them to innovate again.
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I agree that you can't kill linux but that does not mean people are not trying.
Having said that suing the developers and users would hurt it a lot.
That's always been the case but the end users have never been sued before. Take for example the intermittent wiper patent debacle (look it up). Somebody had the patent on the intermittent wiper and after several years of sitting on it they filed a lawsuit against a car manufacturer (I think it was ford). They could have sued just about everybody who had a car but they didn't. why? Too much work, not enough money. Easier to go after one fat target.
The laws of economics haven't changed. No company is going to sue all the end users. At most they will sue a couple of the fat cats and hope for a settlement.
Lucky for you there is NDS. Although it too is proprietary it does not try to own your entire network or force you to choose one OS or another.
Redhat is about to open source the netscape directory tool too.
SUn does not charge that much for support compared to redhat. I really don't see how they are going to sustain a business based on nothing but high end hardware and support. There just isn't enough money there to keep sun at the same size let alone growing.
MS has already forked java. It's called C#. They don't give a shit about java anymore. In their minds they already destroyed it. Why? Because they locked java on to the server and it is no longer a desktop threat.
Considering that SCO has yet to prove it owns that code I'd say it was wasted money.
Read this article from motley fool. Everybody is wondering how sun is going to make money. Before you say "service" keep in mind the most expensive support plan from SUN is less then the least expensive support plan from RedHat. They can't possibly make up the difference from support if they are practically giving that away too.
So what's left to sell? Intel boxes? AMD64 Boxes? Sparc workstations?
Do you really see Sun sustaining itself with those products? I don't.
There is only one thing that sun has that could make it money and that's patents.
"It's attitudes like this that make me want to see SCO sue the crap out of the Linux community, and win, one machine at a time. "
Well It's not like Sun is not trying to make that happen. They have already given SCO 9 million dollars and have signed a cross patent licensing with MS. SUN clearly (and rightly) sees linux as a competitor and would love nothing more then to destroy it.
I really don't get where your hostility comes from. First of all Sun is "just another corporation". If they folded tommorow I wouldn't five a flying donut. Secondly they have acted if not outright hostile then at least belligerent towards linux. And finally it's clear they have no idea what they are doing or what they want. The upper management is contradicting each other, they say bizaare things, and they are bleeding money.
" And this is why the vast majority of liberals can't understand why Bush won."
Yes. I don't understand at all. The ignorant masses treated this election like a beauty paegant. Instead of voting for the guy who was smarter, had a better plan or whatever they voted for the guy they "liked better". I don't understand it at all.
"Whatever you personally might think of these people or how seriously you take their beliefs, there are a lot of them, and they control the nukes."
Yes, and it's going to be sad to watch this country slide into theocracy because of them. Yesterday they had a Pray In for specter.
YOu forgot the most important lesson.
SCO has only sued it's own customers. If you don't want to be sued don't become a customer of a litigious company. Yes that means SCO and MS. MS is constantly in court.
You and PJ interpret that phrase differently. What that means is that any lawyers will also interpret that phrase differently. What that means is "see you in court"
"'"Cut off my ears so I can't hear it anymore" crazy?"
All country music does that to me. I call it bumper sticker music. Every song is can be summed up on a bumper sticker.
Amen brother. The faithful will never let science interfere with their belief.
Depends on who you talk to. For creationists the world was created just a few thousand years ago. They will be arguing that these stones are less then ten thousand year old.
The one who knows how to make chemical weapons or poisons. Guns are overrated. Go ask the palestenians if you don't believe me.
"Hunting is about the lengths you will go to keep your family fed and healthy."
I'd believe this if you ate what you hunted. But you don't so it has nothing to do with that.
Hunting is about killing and proving your manhood. Every hunter went through that ritual with their dad or whatever. They killed, they got to like that feeling. Like you said we are animals and predetors. Killing is fun.
If killing wasn't fun you wouldn't do it.
No I am not going to any such thing. You are because you made bad choices when you chose to code your applications. When you choose poorly you lock yourself into a vendor. That's whats happened to you. I am sorry, I feel bad for you. Just pray and hope that your competition also made the same poor choice. If they chose wisely and stayed agile as a result you will in most likelyhood be out of business in a few years.
"ERP client software"
I don't know what ERP software you are talking about here. There are numerous ERP sofwares for Linux.
"SQL report writers (Crystal Reports for example)"
Jasper reports and related projects handle this just fine.
"legacy DOS applications (that run without emulation)"
Why do they have to run without emulation? Why isn't dosbox good enough? That's like saying "i want to run dos programs but only in an OS made by MS".
"vertical applications related to the industry this company competes"
Depends on the industry and depends on the application. So yes your company may be stuck with windows due to some choices you made when you purchased software. All I have to tell you is that there are consequences to choosing software that locks you into one vendor.
". Take the report writer; without Seagate Software offering a Linux version, we'd have rewrite thousands of reports unless a comparable piece of software existed that has all the features of Crystal reports we use and can do the conversion for us. Until then here is no way that will fly."
This is a different topic. You are talking about migration. I am talking about setting up somebody fresh. Migration issues are very difficult when the company has made bad purchasing decisions. As you said you are locked into windows because you chose crystal. You are now at the mercy of crystal and MS. It's up to them whether you migrate or not. That decision has been taken away from you, your sysadmins, and your management. It's not called vendor lock for nothing.
"Also, we write a lot of in-house software using Borland's Delphi product. Kylix (version that runs on Linux) is not even comparable. We'd have to retool. Again, a time consuming process. In this case, the state of Kylix is solely Borland's fault."
It's not borland's fault. It's your fault. You chose delphi borland didn't make you use it. You could have used java, you could have used python, but you chose to use delphi. You really have nobody to blame but yourself.
"If the business moves over to Linux gradually, there is increased administrative effort."
Depends on the business and choices that they made. In the case of your business that's true. But another business which standardised on Java software for example would have very little problems. If a company chose another report writer they would have very little problems.
"I'm not suggesting that Linux won't be there. Just that it isn't there yet."
It's there for anybody starting fresh, it's there for anybody who chose not to lock themselves into one vendor. It's clearly not there for you or your company. The best you can hope for at this point is that your competitor is also locked in and can't switch to save costs.
OPenoffice can already be scripted in python and java. I see no need to try and clone VB. It would be a waste of time.
According to the parent those products don't "just work" in windows either. If implementing wine is less work then trying to get quickbooks to work under a restricted user in XP why wouldn't you choose the easier road?
It sounds like they have vountarily shackled themselves to MS. I am afraid they are stuck and can never leave that vendor for anybody else.
That's why it's called vendor lock I guess.
I just installed FC3 and it seems like it's pretty much there. Is there a specific functionality you are thinking about? You have all the basics, office, email, browsing etc.
I am curious to see what you feel is missing?
The courts have to follow the letter of the law. If I have 13 random seconds of a song on my hard drive can the MPAA really make a case that I should have to pay a fine as if I was sharing the full and complete song? I don't think so.
Oh thanks for the compliment. I too think it's clever but then again I thought of it myself.
Typically the value objects don't really have validation logic. They are very lightweight so they an be shuttled back and forth from the server.
Personally I think it will be good for them. Arabs historically have been very innovative and have literally invented science, mathematics, medicine etc. When oil became big it lulled them into complacency and to an extent fundementalism. They would be better off without oil, it would force them to innovate again.