I guess I didn't say it quite right in my original comment, nobody can take his freedom to choose away. It's more a matter of respecting his choices.
There's nothing at all wrong with disagreeing with him. I just mean that if you do disagree, then why not be more constructive and build up something like HURD? Being excited about v3 and supporting projects that also support it will go much further in the long run, rather than beating up on Linus now.
I can see this from both points of view, but ultimately Linus has the freedom to choose what he wants to do. If you don't like his choice, don't use Linux anymore! If you are really a developer/user who cares that much about GPL v3, then go work on HURD.
Isn't it hypocritcal to advocate freedom, while at the same time attempting to take Linus' freedom to choose away from him? You are welcome to disagree with him, but you should respect his right to choose.
There is some pretty interesting work being done on the unified messaging front from TGF Linux Communications. Their backend, called TUCAN is CORBA based, so you can easily write a different interface in some other language on some other platform. I'm working on a web based front end to it, Operation: CAN, but there is also work being done on a gtk front end, it's called Creation.
TUCAN and Operation: CAN and Creation are also all released under the GPL.
We weren't really looking for this, we were notified by a competing company of DSF Internet that they were doing this. We looked in to it and found out that it was true, so we started talking to DSF, GNU, and Michael from slashdot. We wanted to wait until we had some closure, or a refusal to comply with the GPL before we posted this on slashdot. DSF was very responsive and they did the right thing by GPL'ing their messenger.
I am glad that things turned out the way they did, but all the points Michael makes are good ones. If DSF had refused to do the right thing, I don't know where this would have gone. We need to answer the question of 'what to do if this happens and the Bad Guys don't turn around and do the Right Thing?'
Thanks to everyone who helped us get this worked out, hopefully it will lead to a win32 version of everybuddy a lot sooner than we had planned before.
You should check out efm Here. while it's not complete yet, it does exactly what you are talking about, you can use it's typebuffer to select files in the file manager window or launch apps like you would from a terminal, very cool stuff.
It currently uses the TOC protocol, which is the Used-to-be-open protocol that gaim and tik and every other aim clone uses. It doesn't have all the features that OSCAR has, like file transfer and all that. If the OSCAR protocol is opened up then all the clones will increase in quality across the board. If they are just "re-opening" TOC, then nothing will change really.
But if people are looking for something that uses multiple services in one client, check out Everybuddy.
I see some people have already posted links to the everybuddy home page, but I would like to give an update as to what we are doing.
Yahoo messanger support is now there as of release 0.0.6, and we have someone working on MSN messenger support, so we should have 4 services running before the end of the year. We will support any part of these services as we can, including file transfer. These other features will take time to implement, please be patient or help out.
We are beginning to talk about creating an everybuddy server, which would hold contact info for all your accounts, so you would only have to log in once with your everybuddy account, and get all your icq, aim etc contacts.
If anyone has suggestions as to how we should implement the server with good security, feel free to join our mailing list or just email any one of us listed on the web site.
Someone asked about a win32 version, and the answer is yes we are working on it. We ran into a snag when we first tried to do this, and the win32 port of gtk isn't to stable from what I understand. Again, if anyone is interested in helping out, go to the web site.
There is a voting page on the web site that you can submit new feature requests. the new requests then get voted on, showing us which features are the most important.
Everybuddy will support all native file transfer stuff if it exists. The published protocol for AIM does not have file transfer.
Everything we can support we will, we are not implementing our own chat protocol. I think the reason we did file transfer, is to give the ability to do so for those using aim and any other protocol which doesnt support file transfer, at least with other EB clients.
If you want to discuss it further, please sign up for our mailing list, there is info on www.everybuddy.com
I don't know if it is an option for you, but we recently got Digital Cable(from TCI) and I am very pleased with it. We've got about ~140 channels or so, and the navigation is similar to that of a dish. And of course, it has Sci-fi and all the movie channels you could ever want.
The only thing about getting a dish is that you may not get your local stations. So if it is an option I would seriously consider digital cable.
They have updated the site again, they now have a working icecast setup!
from the site:
YOU ASKED -- AND WE DID IT!
We were hammered with e-mail messages from all of you Slashdot folks, and the majority of them were requests that Linux-Radio.Com start producing content in streaming-MP3 format. Well, we finally have everything setup using Icecast. Be sure to visit our website sometime Tuesday for more info on how to listen *LIVE* to us at Linux Expo '99. For the RealAudio folks -- we will post the shows in RA (and MP3) format after the live broadcasts. Linux-Radio.Com would also like to thank Linux Today for welcomming us into their booth at the expo. In addition, we would like to thank Barath Raghavan (Icecast), Nate Carlson (one of our techies here at LR) and Mark Spencer (Linux Support Services) for their assistance in getting everything setup and configured for broadcasting at the expo.
NOTICE: We are working feverishly to get Icecast running. We've ran into a snag, and can't seem to figure it out. Hopefully we will have the problem worked out before the expo starts. -Ljd
Excelent. Maybe someone who knows how could lend a hand?
There have been some excelent points made here, and I agree that the whols thing is quite biased, but we can only learn from it, no matter what the end result is.
Evaluation was done with Netperf network performance tool. A small perl script was used to generate a series of test message sizes, beginning at 10 bytes, and with each additional packet being 10% larger than the previous until a maximum of 65000 bytes was reached. Each test was executed for 20 seconds, with a minimum of one second pause between the tests, in case there was still data in any outgoing or incoming data caches. The resulting files were plotted with gnuplot.
The tests were done by Mark Spencer, and questions regarding it should be directed to him, markster@marko.net
re:technical stuff....
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I have a similar card... there was a problem with one of the kernel releases, but it was fixed. I wish I could tell you which one exactly, but I have been getting all of the patches in the 2.2.x series, so I dont recall;)
I want to go to the Expo, but I MUST see episode one... We have to find someone in the area of the Expo to call around find out how/when they are selling the tickets...
Anyone willing?
This needs to be an organized effort or it probably won't work out for everyone.
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I guess I didn't say it quite right in my original comment, nobody can take his freedom to choose away. It's more a matter of respecting his choices.
There's nothing at all wrong with disagreeing with him. I just mean that if you do disagree, then why not be more constructive and build up something like HURD? Being excited about v3 and supporting projects that also support it will go much further in the long run, rather than beating up on Linus now.
I can see this from both points of view, but ultimately Linus has the freedom to choose what he wants to do. If you don't like his choice, don't use Linux anymore! If you are really a developer/user who cares that much about GPL v3, then go work on HURD.
Isn't it hypocritcal to advocate freedom, while at the same time attempting to take Linus' freedom to choose away from him? You are welcome to disagree with him, but you should respect his right to choose.
TUCAN and Operation: CAN and Creation are also all released under the GPL.
- Ben
*insert clever sig here*
We weren't really looking for this, we were notified by a competing company of DSF Internet that they were doing this. We looked in to it and found out that it was true, so we started talking to DSF, GNU, and Michael from slashdot. We wanted to wait until we had some closure, or a refusal to comply with the GPL before we posted this on slashdot. DSF was very responsive and they did the right thing by GPL'ing their messenger.
I am glad that things turned out the way they did, but all the points Michael makes are good ones. If DSF had refused to do the right thing, I don't know where this would have gone. We need to answer the question of 'what to do if this happens and the Bad Guys don't turn around and do the Right Thing?'
Thanks to everyone who helped us get this worked out, hopefully it will lead to a win32 version of everybuddy a lot sooner than we had planned before.
You should check out efm Here. while it's not complete yet, it does exactly what you are talking about, you can use it's typebuffer to select files in the file manager window or launch apps like you would from a terminal, very cool stuff.
Check out Everybuddy
It currently uses the TOC protocol, which is the Used-to-be-open protocol that gaim and tik and every other aim clone uses. It doesn't have all the features that OSCAR has, like file transfer and all that. If the OSCAR protocol is opened up then all the clones will increase in quality across the board. If they are just "re-opening" TOC, then nothing will change really.
But if people are looking for something that uses multiple services in one client, check out Everybuddy.
Ben Rigas
Neat stuff.
I see some people have already posted links to the everybuddy home page, but I would like to give an update as to what we are doing.
Yahoo messanger support is now there as of release 0.0.6, and we have someone working on MSN messenger support, so we should have 4 services running before the end of the year. We will support any part of these services as we can, including file transfer. These other features will take time to implement, please be patient or help out.
We are beginning to talk about creating an everybuddy server, which would hold contact info for all your accounts, so you would only have to log in once with your everybuddy account, and get all your icq, aim etc contacts.
If anyone has suggestions as to how we should implement the server with good security, feel free to join our mailing list or just email any one of us listed on the web site.
Someone asked about a win32 version, and the answer is yes we are working on it. We ran into a snag when we first tried to do this, and the win32 port of gtk isn't to stable from what I understand. Again, if anyone is interested in helping out, go to the web site.
There is a voting page on the web site that you can submit new feature requests. the new requests then get voted on, showing us which features are the most important.
The web site
The voting page
Everybuddy will support all native file transfer stuff if it exists. The published protocol for AIM does not have file transfer.
Everything we can support we will, we are not implementing our own chat protocol. I think the reason we did file transfer, is to give the ability to do so for those using aim and any other protocol which doesnt support file transfer, at least with other EB clients.
If you want to discuss it further, please sign up for our mailing list, there is info on www.everybuddy.com
EveryBuddy already has support for AIM, ICQ, and now Yahoo! in the cvs code. There should be a new release (and a new web site) this weekend.
EveryBuddy's web site.
Support for MS Messenger is planned, work is just starting on that. Any other services that people would like to see in EveryBuddy?
I found this on the nasa homepage:
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I don't know if it is an option for you, but we recently got Digital Cable(from TCI) and I am very pleased with it. We've got about ~140 channels or so, and the navigation is similar to that of a dish. And of course, it has Sci-fi and all the movie channels you could ever want.
The only thing about getting a dish is that you may not get your local stations. So if it is an option I would seriously consider digital cable.
They have updated the site again, they now have a working icecast setup!
from the site:
YOU ASKED -- AND WE DID IT!
We were hammered with e-mail messages from all of you Slashdot folks, and the majority of them were requests that Linux-Radio.Com start producing content in streaming-MP3 format. Well, we finally have everything setup using Icecast. Be sure to visit our website sometime Tuesday for more info on how to listen *LIVE* to us at Linux Expo '99. For the RealAudio folks -- we will post the shows in RA (and MP3) format after the live broadcasts. Linux-Radio.Com would also like to thank Linux Today for welcomming us into their booth at the expo. In addition, we would like to thank Barath Raghavan (Icecast), Nate Carlson (one of our techies here at LR) and Mark Spencer (Linux Support Services) for their assistance in getting everything setup and configured for broadcasting at the expo.
Sincerely, Lukas J. Dickie & Jeremy M. Klomp
Looks like they are taking suggestions :)
from the site:
NOTICE: We are working feverishly to get Icecast running. We've ran into a snag, and can't seem to figure it out. Hopefully we will have the problem worked out before the expo starts. -Ljd
Excelent. Maybe someone who knows how could lend a hand?
There have been some excelent points made here, and I agree that the whols thing is quite biased, but we can only learn from it, no matter what the end result is.
Here is an evalutaion of Linux 2.0, Linux 2.2 and NT4 TCP stacks. http://www.marko.net/neteval.
Evaluation was done with Netperf network performance tool. A small perl script was used to generate a series of test message sizes, beginning at 10 bytes, and with each additional packet being 10% larger than the previous until a maximum of 65000 bytes was reached. Each test was executed for 20 seconds, with a minimum of one second pause between the tests, in case there was still data in any outgoing or incoming data caches. The resulting files were plotted with gnuplot.
The tests were done by Mark Spencer, and questions regarding it should be directed to him, markster@marko.net
I have a similar card... there was a problem with one of the kernel releases, but it was fixed. I wish I could tell you which one exactly, but I have been getting all of the patches in the 2.2.x series, so I dont recall ;)
I am running 2.2.3 and it works...
I want to go to the Expo, but I MUST see episode one... We have to find someone in the area of the Expo to call around find out how/when they are selling the tickets...
Anyone willing?
This needs to be an organized effort or it probably won't work out for everyone.
I downloaded the shareware version of hereitc, but it only has a windows install.bat ...
What do I need to do to get the wad?