I means these blokes are in boardrooms licking their proverbial chops, and we are on the pick wheel.
Its look like the rapacious beginnings of the cable industry all over again, but this time you count amongst you shaledowns fees for your refrigerator's call to the repairman. 'wonder if there will be an opt out for that?
They are infinitely recyclable and bio degradable, and already in use in some fashion; and improvements keep coming everyday - these materials are not any more difficult to produce and do not take more energy to create - let alone how easy they are to source...
Its interesting that you think epistemology actually plays a part for the flipping computer.
I could only agree if we are speaking of computer that is intending - by and within its design - to learn like, as well as act like us in a mature state. I agree this may be the most pure way for getting AI to resemble the human condition (for a lack of a better way to put it), but executing on this path is entirely a red herring.
I would say that trying to understand and emulate the learning process is 10 to 100 orders magnitude over the the effort of just getting the damn thing to work at a common, layman intellectual level.
We have no real understanding how we learn, empirically scientifically speaking - we are only beginning to understand this now. The understanding of this process changes rapidly and while we think we have momentum currently, more major unknowns exist. In fact, we don't know what we dont know at this point.
Its been debated as long as man has had the ability too, however... but even throughout the thousands of years of philosophical deep diving, it wasn't until the age of enlightenment that Kant finally got everyone on board for "Epistemology First" in our understanding of our world - we must first understand how we learn about this place, before we can debate the ontological status of the world around us and have any meaningful debate of its metaphysics. Theocratic or not, this rings true - and its only added more complexities to the struggle of what we know about ourselves.
And now, you want to build a robot to approach this condition.. Insanity. The effort is pure insanity and full of hubris. Lets work on simple tasks, and try to get those right, first. And how baout an honest look on who the fuck we are as emotional, sentient, chemically riding and wicked imperfect machines ourselves, before we attempt to perfect it in a model.
The only real saving grace is that this effort could actually be such a mirror for man kind, and accelerate our understanding of ourselves, if only slightly.
As an undergrad philosophy student, I worked on the "reductionism" of Physics Theories (a sub set of simple Newtonian Mechanics) to sentential logical statements - presumably for an effort to map them to computer programing.
The task was daunting for and undergrad... and what we ended up with was not so intuitive. I can only imagine mapping the depth and breath of the brain - and in fact would postulate that it can not be done with any adherence to soundness and validity using todays digital hierarchy. New hardware is indeed needed.
I'm not even sure we would recognize the requirements for such said hardware, either. As most of these specialize d application grow organically form our efforts in software, we are just that far from a real solution for pure AI that resembles intimately the human condition. That leap of imagination just has not been taken yet, if even possible.
Sorry - but there is no more Democracy in our system. its a fault of man, and as such, my linguistic interpretation of the meaning of Democracy for the colloquial use here and now. Democracy is dead. There is common republic indeed, but the voice of Americans is no longer heard.
Yes, they are. WE ARE NOT A DEMOCRACY in its purest form.
The only one to exist was in Athens, before the unification of ancient Greece. Nothing got done as representatives rotated like fresh air on a breezy day. It ultimately failed miserably giving birth to Ostraciz-ation of its member that grew too powerful (even if for the greater good, let a lone the greater bad) - which, BTW, we don enact in our Federal Republic - a crying shame as most of these boneheads in congress would have been "let go" after their first terms - and as an ESSENTIAL aspect of pure democracies... we have nothing resembling it pragmatically here in the good 'ole USA.
Lobbying alone takes away our "power of voice".
Want to help America? Speak up agains the oppression that truly muffles your voice and return it to a somewhat democratic-oriented process, as our founding fathers wanted it. Cull corporate interests, lobbying, and ANYTHING that can not sensibly be deemed by a moniker "citizen" (as a human being); everything else needs to be culled from the process. Our founding father loved us, our current governance hates us.
This is the truth as gospel in education. It take one to "push" on things to really learn about them - you need to "do it".
I can remember being at Syracuse busting my ass for A's. Everyone else skated for B's and C's. My counterparts at Ivy league schools and community colleges were in EXACTLY the same boat. You could skate at Harvard undergrad and get b's and c's, but to really excel, you have to do the work. And to get A's at Rutger's and MontClair state, or even vocational schools, you were working just as hard as top students at the "best" schools. Period.
What makes those schools the "best" is the enormous sample of students that actually want to, and do, the work.
No its not. Its in action and has been in Disney and other high end theme parks, and guess what - it works when done correctly. The process completely adds a tremendous dimension influence, and scent is most link to memory recall... games take on added emotion and connection as I would imagine, just as so in many rides and attractions....
Very interesting point when in considering that in proportion to it host planet (huge ration actually!!), its the largest moon in sol, and as thus, having the most influence over its host planet, with the most important force at play with bodies this big - gravity.
Exactly as most on the sports beat never passed the rocks for Jocks class, former athletes that never made, and most cant read past the 12th grade. Robots might be a better option.
It needs to be transformed from a system that is based on control, ownership and seniority, to one based on merit, accountability, and transparency. I have said it time and tie again - with our economy wrapped up in capitalistic fervor, we simply can not allow its influence in our governance - its the ultimate checks and balances in our founding documents, yet complete ignored....
What pundits, muckrakers, naysayers, and evangelists fail to recognize and purposefully glance over is the fact that Democracy gives birth to Economy, not the other way around - and it is in fact our governments DUTY to reign in on action limiting the prosperity of its PEOPLE, domestic or otherwise!.
I tend to think its intentional - the confusion and diversion to an argument that they themselves present to us. Article one, section eight of our Constitution has been shredded - its now owned and distorted as much as your brain watching Steven Jobs sell you a music player you don't want made in a country you never heard of (disclaimer I have two, and iphone, and....).
And it has to do with the systemic infiltration of practices that could downright be viewed as a form of slavery in some cases.
It just seems to me a bit more prudent to not have the FOX guard the hen house if we claim to be a consumer driven free market economy. Sounds to me like double speak the more I think about it - and with Face Crime becoming a reality, we have no reason to think other wise.
They - the really bright fuckers that set this thing up - did, however, give us the power to vote, but we are to glazed by donuts, whiskey, kindbuds and the simpsons to even care about that, or at least put these idiots in office all.
IT IS in fact a Socialist concept to reign in on the economy where necessary but we are far from socialism.... I stil cant get oive what people miss about making sure some basic essentials are provided like power, water, education and healtcare - until you relize who keeps you from really getting those things - invariable and asshole like this judge lets the cat out of the bag.
- and simply put, our lawmakers and leader have been bought out / or sold out, a LONG, LONG, LONG time ago.
If we are serious about changing this thing we call government and economy we need roll back 1973 laws about corporation's rights, and ANY subsequent expansion of these ideal up to and including the recent Supreme Court decision allowing unlimited campaign contributions - when in reality there should ONLY be contributions from CITIZENS.
Exactly! - the cats out of the bag in a public court, by a (presumably rich) public official, presiding over that very court! I think the discussion is fantastically worthy, and should be brought to the public eye en mass. Let's see the true colors from both sides here... about who is owned, and who owns.
The truth is - with the fox guarding the hen house in our grande 'ole ways - never has there been a clearer need to massively separate corporate / wealth interests from our government. After all, should it not represent the landscape of America? Its systemic in all three branches and gets only worse everyday.
These are menial obstacles to overcome - if you are aware of them - when negotiating your salary. Managers move companies all the time because certain tax codes benefit their businesses more than others. But its influence on talent?? for a tech company?? Maybe for an entertainment company (but they are in tax shelters in the worst state for taxes... hmmm.).
Talent arguments are not the bane - the real story is getting corporate influence out of our government. Sorry - but Business leaders in government should be the biggest red flag.
I think that's why the taxes are collected in the firs place no?
Actually, my point is more about removing influence like this from our governance. I am all for Capitalism, but I am not for the fox guarding the hen house. And if the current rules say this is what I owe because I made 2 Billion, than so be it. Not every day I get to take home the entire years GDP of most countries in the world.
But there is a pitfall my friend - and I think this is the angle the Dems take - unless of course you completely remove corporate influence - no more lobbying by companies, no more donations, no more money at all, if you own one, you cant serve in government at any level, but you get your one vote - as CITIZENS. Roll back the 1973 laws that grant companies individual status, let alone the recent Supreme court decision. Otherwise, the Poor will be hurt more - through governance completely at the mercy of corporations in a consumer -required economy.
If we seriously want to move in this direction, we need to first remove all the potential, and current, corruption that already exists.
If we can, I think the best capitalist markets are those best suited for being oriented toward such a tax-governance approach; but you cant let the fox guard the hen house.
The talent argument is weak at best... Too many examples to cite of where companies in states with income tax that have arguably better talent that MS...
Yes - agreed - we should be taxed on our actions in consumption, not when earning an honest living. However, we need to remove the conflict of interest then from our governing bodies - corporations and their money and influence, cause after all, their stuff we consume - even at a local level, this would remain to be true. Does everybody run a company or dream of that thees days? No to both.
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I means these blokes are in boardrooms licking their proverbial chops, and we are on the pick wheel.
Its look like the rapacious beginnings of the cable industry all over again, but this time you count amongst you shaledowns fees for your refrigerator's call to the repairman. 'wonder if there will be an opt out for that?
its looking spooky, people.
They are infinitely recyclable and bio degradable, and already in use in some fashion; and improvements keep coming everyday - these materials are not any more difficult to produce and do not take more energy to create - let alone how easy they are to source...
http://gizmodo.com/#!5490624/ibm-develops-infinitely-recyclable-plant+based-plastic
It a major improvement over petroleum plastics -
Moreover - how about 'dem, plant based cleaners - way better than their petroleum counterparts - and I think the same FUD was thrown at them as well.
'bout time right?
Aye Aye Captain! Non of that sissy pilsner power for my silicon. I want the syrup!
Less. its really slow. really.... slow.
Its magic lies within its prowess of organizing/re-organizing info.
I cant mod point as I contributed, so I gotta utter it this way: +1 interesting
But wait - its already submerged....
Its interesting that you think epistemology actually plays a part for the flipping computer.
I could only agree if we are speaking of computer that is intending - by and within its design - to learn like, as well as act like us in a mature state. I agree this may be the most pure way for getting AI to resemble the human condition (for a lack of a better way to put it), but executing on this path is entirely a red herring.
I would say that trying to understand and emulate the learning process is 10 to 100 orders magnitude over the the effort of just getting the damn thing to work at a common, layman intellectual level.
We have no real understanding how we learn, empirically scientifically speaking - we are only beginning to understand this now. The understanding of this process changes rapidly and while we think we have momentum currently, more major unknowns exist. In fact, we don't know what we dont know at this point.
Its been debated as long as man has had the ability too, however... but even throughout the thousands of years of philosophical deep diving, it wasn't until the age of enlightenment that Kant finally got everyone on board for "Epistemology First" in our understanding of our world - we must first understand how we learn about this place, before we can debate the ontological status of the world around us and have any meaningful debate of its metaphysics. Theocratic or not, this rings true - and its only added more complexities to the struggle of what we know about ourselves.
And now, you want to build a robot to approach this condition.. Insanity. The effort is pure insanity and full of hubris. Lets work on simple tasks, and try to get those right, first. And how baout an honest look on who the fuck we are as emotional, sentient, chemically riding and wicked imperfect machines ourselves, before we attempt to perfect it in a model.
The only real saving grace is that this effort could actually be such a mirror for man kind, and accelerate our understanding of ourselves, if only slightly.
As an undergrad philosophy student, I worked on the "reductionism" of Physics Theories (a sub set of simple Newtonian Mechanics) to sentential logical statements - presumably for an effort to map them to computer programing.
The task was daunting for and undergrad... and what we ended up with was not so intuitive. I can only imagine mapping the depth and breath of the brain - and in fact would postulate that it can not be done with any adherence to soundness and validity using todays digital hierarchy. New hardware is indeed needed.
I'm not even sure we would recognize the requirements for such said hardware, either. As most of these specialize d application grow organically form our efforts in software, we are just that far from a real solution for pure AI that resembles intimately the human condition. That leap of imagination just has not been taken yet, if even possible.
"That most powerful supercomputer, I'd assume, has not been tuned to actually work like a brain would"
I would *Love* to see that reduced to machine code
So we should soak our computers in stout!!! Brilliant!
Sorry - but there is no more Democracy in our system. its a fault of man, and as such, my linguistic interpretation of the meaning of Democracy for the colloquial use here and now. Democracy is dead. There is common republic indeed, but the voice of Americans is no longer heard.
We are a federal republic, not a democratic republic.
Yes, they are. WE ARE NOT A DEMOCRACY in its purest form.
The only one to exist was in Athens, before the unification of ancient Greece. Nothing got done as representatives rotated like fresh air on a breezy day. It ultimately failed miserably giving birth to Ostraciz-ation of its member that grew too powerful (even if for the greater good, let a lone the greater bad) - which, BTW, we don enact in our Federal Republic - a crying shame as most of these boneheads in congress would have been "let go" after their first terms - and as an ESSENTIAL aspect of pure democracies... we have nothing resembling it pragmatically here in the good 'ole USA.
Lobbying alone takes away our "power of voice".
Want to help America? Speak up agains the oppression that truly muffles your voice and return it to a somewhat democratic-oriented process, as our founding fathers wanted it. Cull corporate interests, lobbying, and ANYTHING that can not sensibly be deemed by a moniker "citizen" (as a human being); everything else needs to be culled from the process. Our founding father loved us, our current governance hates us.
This is the truth as gospel in education. It take one to "push" on things to really learn about them - you need to "do it".
I can remember being at Syracuse busting my ass for A's. Everyone else skated for B's and C's. My counterparts at Ivy league schools and community colleges were in EXACTLY the same boat. You could skate at Harvard undergrad and get b's and c's, but to really excel, you have to do the work. And to get A's at Rutger's and MontClair state, or even vocational schools, you were working just as hard as top students at the "best" schools. Period.
What makes those schools the "best" is the enormous sample of students that actually want to, and do, the work.
No its not. Its in action and has been in Disney and other high end theme parks, and guess what - it works when done correctly. The process completely adds a tremendous dimension influence, and scent is most link to memory recall... games take on added emotion and connection as I would imagine, just as so in many rides and attractions....
Very interesting point when in considering that in proportion to it host planet (huge ration actually!!), its the largest moon in sol, and as thus, having the most influence over its host planet, with the most important force at play with bodies this big - gravity.
Exactly as most on the sports beat never passed the rocks for Jocks class, former athletes that never made, and most cant read past the 12th grade. Robots might be a better option.
It needs to be transformed from a system that is based on control, ownership and seniority, to one based on merit, accountability, and transparency. I have said it time and tie again - with our economy wrapped up in capitalistic fervor, we simply can not allow its influence in our governance - its the ultimate checks and balances in our founding documents, yet complete ignored....
....).
What pundits, muckrakers, naysayers, and evangelists fail to recognize and purposefully glance over is the fact that Democracy gives birth to Economy, not the other way around - and it is in fact our governments DUTY to reign in on action limiting the prosperity of its PEOPLE, domestic or otherwise!.
I tend to think its intentional - the confusion and diversion to an argument that they themselves present to us. Article one, section eight of our Constitution has been shredded - its now owned and distorted as much as your brain watching Steven Jobs sell you a music player you don't want made in a country you never heard of (disclaimer I have two, and iphone, and
And it has to do with the systemic infiltration of practices that could downright be viewed as a form of slavery in some cases.
It just seems to me a bit more prudent to not have the FOX guard the hen house if we claim to be a consumer driven free market economy. Sounds to me like double speak the more I think about it - and with Face Crime becoming a reality, we have no reason to think other wise.
They - the really bright fuckers that set this thing up - did, however, give us the power to vote, but we are to glazed by donuts, whiskey, kindbuds and the simpsons to even care about that, or at least put these idiots in office all.
IT IS in fact a Socialist concept to reign in on the economy where necessary but we are far from socialism.... I stil cant get oive what people miss about making sure some basic essentials are provided like power, water, education and healtcare - until you relize who keeps you from really getting those things - invariable and asshole like this judge lets the cat out of the bag.
- and simply put, our lawmakers and leader have been bought out / or sold out, a LONG, LONG, LONG time ago.
If we are serious about changing this thing we call government and economy we need roll back 1973 laws about corporation's rights, and ANY subsequent expansion of these ideal up to and including the recent Supreme Court decision allowing unlimited campaign contributions - when in reality there should ONLY be contributions from CITIZENS.
Exactly! - the cats out of the bag in a public court, by a (presumably rich) public official, presiding over that very court! I think the discussion is fantastically worthy, and should be brought to the public eye en mass. Let's see the true colors from both sides here... about who is owned, and who owns.
The truth is - with the fox guarding the hen house in our grande 'ole ways - never has there been a clearer need to massively separate corporate / wealth interests from our government. After all, should it not represent the landscape of America? Its systemic in all three branches and gets only worse everyday.
These are menial obstacles to overcome - if you are aware of them - when negotiating your salary. Managers move companies all the time because certain tax codes benefit their businesses more than others. But its influence on talent?? for a tech company?? Maybe for an entertainment company (but they are in tax shelters in the worst state for taxes... hmmm.).
Talent arguments are not the bane - the real story is getting corporate influence out of our government. Sorry - but Business leaders in government should be the biggest red flag.
I think that's why the taxes are collected in the firs place no?
Actually, my point is more about removing influence like this from our governance. I am all for Capitalism, but I am not for the fox guarding the hen house. And if the current rules say this is what I owe because I made 2 Billion, than so be it. Not every day I get to take home the entire years GDP of most countries in the world.
But there is a pitfall my friend - and I think this is the angle the Dems take - unless of course you completely remove corporate influence - no more lobbying by companies, no more donations, no more money at all, if you own one, you cant serve in government at any level, but you get your one vote - as CITIZENS. Roll back the 1973 laws that grant companies individual status, let alone the recent Supreme court decision. Otherwise, the Poor will be hurt more - through governance completely at the mercy of corporations in a consumer -required economy.
If we seriously want to move in this direction, we need to first remove all the potential, and current, corruption that already exists.
If we can, I think the best capitalist markets are those best suited for being oriented toward such a tax-governance approach; but you cant let the fox guard the hen house.
The talent argument is weak at best... Too many examples to cite of where companies in states with income tax that have arguably better talent that MS...
Yes - agreed - we should be taxed on our actions in consumption, not when earning an honest living. However, we need to remove the conflict of interest then from our governing bodies - corporations and their money and influence, cause after all, their stuff we consume - even at a local level, this would remain to be true. Does everybody run a company or dream of that thees days? No to both.