E.g. People don't want to touch LibreOffice because it has ONE dependency on Java in its BASE application.
Since LibreOffice just hit version 4.0 and the improvements keep coming in, I don't think you are correct. You may have meant OpenOffice. OpenOffice suffered more from Oracle's heavy handiness than any technical issues with Java.
I don't know where you just don't like the word Java, or whether you don't like the language, or whether you don't like Applets in the browser, or what. But the Java ecosystem is way larger than you imagine.
He could be in high school, a "fresh out", or a geek trying to get "street cred" by mindlessly bashing Java. This is slashdot.
So you are saying it's more like my pharmacist who keeps a record of all my prescriptions and then automatically ships them to me when it is time for a refill?
I'd rather non-invasive and targeted ads, than the annoying (and presumably irrelevant if MS aren't being hypocritical here) animated ones that you got on MSN, and now get on Skype.
How can targeted ads based on the contents of your email be "non-invasive" ?
Do you think automated parsing of an email to target ads is "reading your private emails"?
YES. A stranger can read you email to try to gather intelligence about you. The Google scanner "reads" your email to gather information about you so they know what advertising you may be interested in. It's still information gathering regardless if it's automated.
If so, do you also think that a spam filter running on the mail server "reads your private emails"?
The spam filter scans for characteristics of unsolicited email. The spam filter isn't gathering personal information that can be used to formulate your likes and dislikes.
A little misdirection? The issue wasn't the advertising itself but Google reading/scanning personal email to create targeted ads.
Does Google still scan your email for keywords even though they may not immediately show you advertising? Just because they don't show you the ads while reading email doesn't mean they can't use the information gathered to target the ads you view while browsing.
Corporations don't provide services out of the goodness of their heart. The ads pay for the "free" email, and also help pay for Google's research into autonomous vehicles, improved search technology, etc. So I accept them, occasionally click on them, and sometimes even buy something.
Expecting something for nothing is being childish. Grow up.
No one said anything about Google not being able to use advertising to offset the cost of providing a free service. What the grown ups are talking about is Google's need to scan your email to create targeted ads.
The context of this thread was Java's alleged vulnerabilities tainting the code base of LibreOffice. No browser was mentioned. The java plugin is a "helper application" that a browser uses to start up a Java applet from within the browser. The plugin itself is where the vulnerabilities originate not the JRE. Disable the plugin then you have cut off most (if not all) the vulnerabilities people talk about.
You know how Google is able to offer free service from advertising revenue? Well the postal service is able to keep postage low by making money from delivering junk mail. It's not like you are forced to open it or read it. Just throw it in the garbage.
if you read the article and click through to the Sophos website that describes the Mal/JavaJar trojan, you will realize that this is another instance of the browser plugin being exploited and not Java itself.
I don't. Wal-mart sees themselves as guardians of morality. That shit will fly in retail but not on the internet.
Don't be silly. In the end all the consumer cares about is price. Walmart has proven that many times.
Choice between locally made goods vs. cheaper Chinese made goods? Consumer chooses cheaper Chinese made goods.
Choice between well manufactured vs. cheap plastic knockoff? Consumer chooses cheap knockoff.
Choice between a grocery store that has a variety of products or a "superstore" stocked with only groceries shown to sell well in "value" sizes and prepackaged cheap meat from a meat plant? Consumer will choose the cheaper superstore.
Choice between a record store with large selection of albums regardless of explicitness or a "superstore" with only popular albums in radio edit editions at a cheaper price? Consumer will choose the cheaper superstore.
Funny that you mention Walmart (not that I personally like Walmart).
I think Amazon has a lot to fear from Walmart. Walmart adapts well and I see them competing directly with Amazon online in the near future. Barnes and Noble is doing quite well as a book store which may insulate them from the impending Amazon vs. Walmart price war on consumer goods and electronics.
While your statement about 'imminent' may be true. It still doesn't invalidate my argument which that in my opinion this doesn't quite rise to the level of impeachment since (1) this is a legal framework for consideration, (2) select members of the senate was privy to the information, and (3) this isn't an actual execution order. Nor does it invalidate my opinion that this is more constitutional than the tradition of letting the CIA handle it and just make it classified. Also it doesn't make the fact that this is a continuation of Bush's policy a fallacy.
A single word doesn't invalidate an entire argument... except maybe on slashdot
Well, the first metric I saw when when a web server written in node was faster than Apache.
So you are comparing a full fledge web server with a lot of functionality to something not quite so all encompassing as node.js. I don't think this is an accurate test.
TO be sure, you can do the kind of I/O js does in C, but it's a real pain and usually platform dependant in some way, even the difference between linux and bsd can start the ifdefs popping up, but js brings asynchronous I/O to the 10 GOTO 10 crowd. That, and the fact the js x86 emulator not only works but runs linux under which you can edit, compile a real program no slower than unix used to be on an 11/45 and you're doing this in a browser tab.
Being able to run an emulator is a metric for function completeness not speed.
So basically you like JavaScript and there is no harm in that. You like that it is powerful because of a neat project that emulates an x86 with caveats. Of course with the power of CPU these days we can probably emulate an x86 with pretty much any interpreted language. As for real-time programming, I don't see anything that makes JS deterministic.
Actually this policy originated during the Bush administration.
If anything, the department of justice simply codified the policy and circulated the memo to select members of the senate. The memo being leaked is a legal framework for considering when it's applicable to assassinate a US citizen. It basically gives the authority of the state department to kill a US citizen if that citizen poses an immediate threat to the US or its other citizens. It rehashes article 3 section 3 of the US constitution where the conditions of the treason act is described in relation to Al-Qeada and circulating the memo to select members of the senate to grant the power to declare punishment. They will probably justify all this secrecy as "state secrets".
I would consider this more constitutional than just having the CIA do it and just keeping the act classified.
Think of it as something similar to what your local law enforcement does when it kills a suspect that posses an immediate threat like a mentally ill man with a child buried in a bunker.
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Yes because Aaron Swartz was without faults and no one should ever have to face the consequences of their own actions.
Basically they mismanage their RF spectrum so much that they need to get rid of current services to make room for more services.
Technically Google has stated that their work was not derived from OpenJDK and included libraries from Apache Harmony. So your comment doesn't apply.
Since LibreOffice just hit version 4.0 and the improvements keep coming in, I don't think you are correct. You may have meant OpenOffice. OpenOffice suffered more from Oracle's heavy handiness than any technical issues with Java.
He could be in high school, a "fresh out", or a geek trying to get "street cred" by mindlessly bashing Java. This is slashdot.
Wow that much cool stuff? Damn I need to hurry up and tweet #uselessjunk before they run out.
So you are saying it's more like my pharmacist who keeps a record of all my prescriptions and then automatically ships them to me when it is time for a refill?
How can targeted ads based on the contents of your email be "non-invasive" ?
YES. A stranger can read you email to try to gather intelligence about you. The Google scanner "reads" your email to gather information about you so they know what advertising you may be interested in. It's still information gathering regardless if it's automated.
The spam filter scans for characteristics of unsolicited email. The spam filter isn't gathering personal information that can be used to formulate your likes and dislikes.
A little misdirection? The issue wasn't the advertising itself but Google reading/scanning personal email to create targeted ads.
Does Google still scan your email for keywords even though they may not immediately show you advertising? Just because they don't show you the ads while reading email doesn't mean they can't use the information gathered to target the ads you view while browsing.
No one said anything about Google not being able to use advertising to offset the cost of providing a free service. What the grown ups are talking about is Google's need to scan your email to create targeted ads.
The context of this thread was Java's alleged vulnerabilities tainting the code base of LibreOffice. No browser was mentioned. The java plugin is a "helper application" that a browser uses to start up a Java applet from within the browser. The plugin itself is where the vulnerabilities originate not the JRE. Disable the plugin then you have cut off most (if not all) the vulnerabilities people talk about.
Only if you ignore that the basic console has been stable for how many years/decades?
You know how Google is able to offer free service from advertising revenue? Well the postal service is able to keep postage low by making money from delivering junk mail. It's not like you are forced to open it or read it. Just throw it in the garbage.
if you read the article and click through to the Sophos website that describes the Mal/JavaJar trojan, you will realize that this is another instance of the browser plugin being exploited and not Java itself.
How dare you use facts on slashdot! ;)
Admitting that you don't understand the difference between a plugin and Java itself brings you closer to actually knowing what you talk about.
Don't be silly. In the end all the consumer cares about is price. Walmart has proven that many times.
Choice between locally made goods vs. cheaper Chinese made goods? Consumer chooses cheaper Chinese made goods.
Choice between well manufactured vs. cheap plastic knockoff? Consumer chooses cheap knockoff.
Choice between a grocery store that has a variety of products or a "superstore" stocked with only groceries shown to sell well in "value" sizes and prepackaged cheap meat from a meat plant? Consumer will choose the cheaper superstore.
Choice between a record store with large selection of albums regardless of explicitness or a "superstore" with only popular albums in radio edit editions at a cheaper price? Consumer will choose the cheaper superstore.
Funny that you mention Walmart (not that I personally like Walmart).
I think Amazon has a lot to fear from Walmart. Walmart adapts well and I see them competing directly with Amazon online in the near future. Barnes and Noble is doing quite well as a book store which may insulate them from the impending Amazon vs. Walmart price war on consumer goods and electronics.
While your statement about 'imminent' may be true. It still doesn't invalidate my argument which that in my opinion this doesn't quite rise to the level of impeachment since (1) this is a legal framework for consideration, (2) select members of the senate was privy to the information, and (3) this isn't an actual execution order. Nor does it invalidate my opinion that this is more constitutional than the tradition of letting the CIA handle it and just make it classified. Also it doesn't make the fact that this is a continuation of Bush's policy a fallacy.
A single word doesn't invalidate an entire argument... except maybe on slashdot
So you are comparing a full fledge web server with a lot of functionality to something not quite so all encompassing as node.js. I don't think this is an accurate test.
Being able to run an emulator is a metric for function completeness not speed.
So basically you like JavaScript and there is no harm in that. You like that it is powerful because of a neat project that emulates an x86 with caveats. Of course with the power of CPU these days we can probably emulate an x86 with pretty much any interpreted language. As for real-time programming, I don't see anything that makes JS deterministic.
Actually this policy originated during the Bush administration.
If anything, the department of justice simply codified the policy and circulated the memo to select members of the senate. The memo being leaked is a legal framework for considering when it's applicable to assassinate a US citizen. It basically gives the authority of the state department to kill a US citizen if that citizen poses an immediate threat to the US or its other citizens. It rehashes article 3 section 3 of the US constitution where the conditions of the treason act is described in relation to Al-Qeada and circulating the memo to select members of the senate to grant the power to declare punishment. They will probably justify all this secrecy as "state secrets".
I would consider this more constitutional than just having the CIA do it and just keeping the act classified.
Think of it as something similar to what your local law enforcement does when it kills a suspect that posses an immediate threat like a mentally ill man with a child buried in a bunker.
Actually Perl with its CPAN.
What is your definition of fast?
I'm sure the fact that a Java plugin is not the same as the Java JDK has nothing to do with your troll.