What, so those people can watch what they honestly think to be murder and just shut up?
They can talk all they want, but when they start harming employees/customers of the clinic then they have proven themselves as hypocrites.
When they intentionally manipulate the public to see their point of view or get more votes then they have proven themselves to be a negative influence on our countrys government.
Seperation of church and state IMHO is the single most biggest reason our government has prospered, without it there can be no freedom of speech.
The religious types of late have been actively pursuing manipulation of our government and it is showing.
This differs substantially in that our tax dollars will have to be used to make the list and create criminals out of those that dont know they have to comply.
Im sorry but im seeing parks being shut down, less street cleaners, less cops/public servants more and more.
Starve the beast is working(gov has less money, rich have more).
Even without starve the beast happening I dont think its right to divert public funds that benefit a minority.
And like others have said already... just download a friggin parent monitor program.
If your kid is smart enough to bypass it then you have no right deciding what information he/she decides to look at.
copyright owners wanting to control the means by which their product is distributed
The copyright owners in question are doing an extremly poor job of distributing their works.
This wouldnt be so bad if it werent for the fact that the works are no longer entering the public domain after a "limited time".
If copyright owners wont distribute and wont submit works to the public domain, then the copyright owners deserve no publicly funded copyright protection. IMHO
The answer is simple: "This is our property. We make the rules here, and we don't have to tell you the reasoning behind them.
I think thats where the problem lies...
Yes, its their property but they are a business that opens their property to the public, at which point, their property becomes public'ish and the government makes the rules or lack there of.
Therefore, I will take pictures.
I just wish I could make a living doing this sort of stuff.
Ya, who cares its just a store security camera big whoop. Another snowflake on the mountain, it will eventually give way to an Orwellian society if you dont fight it now!
I dont think the nonpartisan public thinks they are putting a party into the presidency.
I think they expect the president to do the things he said he would do and to handle issues with the same charachter as that they saw of him/her during campaigning.
I think they dont expect the president to do what their party decides to do at any given moment.
And if there were no partys, everyone would be nonpartisan, and the elected would much more closely represent the people!
operating systems don't wear out or 'break' over time they just get found exploits for or don't provide newer functionality that might be needed.
Correct! They dont break over time. They are broken when the customer gets it.
OS Dev: Were not ready to ship, we still have known bugs we need to fix.
OS Company: I dont care, you will ship on x/x/x date so that our stock prices look good. We will fix it later.
(Company ships broken OS)
(Customer uses OS and finds out its broken)
Customer: The OS you shipped me is broken.
OS Dev: Customer is complaining about those things we needed to fix before we shipped. Can we fix them now?
OS Company: That would cost too much money. Dont fix it.
OS Company: Thanks for your bug report customer.
(5 years go by)
Customer: Your OS is still broken. PLEASE FIX IT PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE.
OS Company: You have reported a known bug please read our entire knowledge base before you think your smart enough to send us an email.
(5 years go by)
OS Company: Customers, we are no longer supporting your OS. Good luck, and BTW you can buy our new OS.
Customer: Since you are no longer supporting my OS or selling it, can I have source code?
OS Company: That is intellectual property, if you even think about it again then expect a call from our lawyers.
I dont care what anyone says, MS can ship an OS with less errors. Sure it will cost more money.
So what. I expected an OS that wasnt broken.
Could you imagine what joecomputer user would think about 'OS Company' if they had to tell him about all the broken stuff before he bought it?
I thought that was a Canadian case.
Even though Monsanto successfully won the IP violation case, that might not mean the farmer still cant turn around and sue Monsanto for tresspassing or something?
I apologize, I did come down a little hard on PostX, but I did put a troll disclaimer in the post.
It's the totally anal-retentive less than 5% of people who have issues with it.
The 'issues' are legitimate and although only reported by 5% of people is compromising the security of ALL the people.
Yes, us 'two-bit Slashdot pundits' are ignorant. If you have some insight, share it and you'll probably find were pretty open minded and just seek the truth.
Schwab knows for sure the information typed into their neato appi was not altered in transit.
Too bad the users of the appi lose security(dont know who the info is going to).
They probably even realize this now, after its too late, but have spent X million dollars on the system and all have their jobs on the line if it were found that a bad decision was made.
So what does a Schwab CEO type do?
What all the other CEO types are doing these days... play stupid and pass the blame.
And as for the company that sold the system to Schwab...
Thats just plain greed. There is no way they couldnt have realized the flaw. And there is no way Schwab would have bought the system had they known of it.
MS has been so busy smearing Linux they forgot item 2 of their Security Vision!
Or more probably they consciously decided that FUD was of utmost importance.
MS is just digging their own grave with their ulteriormotives.
I do a fair share of programming so I can understand some glitches here and there but this one is an enormously major fuckup.
Dont they friggin test their software? What the hell?
This could easily have been prevented if they had just 1 halfway knowledgeable employee trying to break their own security before release!
Now that every(only XP users) PC has a firewall(unless they turned it off), they wont have to spend so much time on making their apps secure!
stop consuming the 'property' of these robber barrons
Im sorry but I am so sick of hearing that one because it does absolutely nothing except deprive me of something I desire. It does nothing at all to the 'robber barrons'.
Then theres the 'property' remark...
Sole rights to distribute a work is NOT property.
The post was modded insightful, I hope you meant it to be sarcastic cuz your statement is sooo wrong.
And another thing, when I 'consume' the works they become part of me at which point the barrons have no claim on the work anymore, it has already been distributed.
My box has never been hacked into.
A successful hack is one in which the atackee does not figure out that the hack ever took place.
Granted, just taking basic precautions does severely limit your chances but...
We are lucky that most of the virus's weve been getting have had the exploit known to the public before the virus gets created.
One of these days the virus/exploit is going to come before public awareness, and if you are using a firewall, your chances of getting infected are even more limited than without one.
There will always be exploits, dont let your untrusted ports communicate with the hackers/virus's in the first place(use a firewall).
By addressing such problems today as the use of P2P networks to disseminate pornography, invade privacy and infringe copyrights..snip..
Lets do a little reading between the lines shall we...
Pornography is listed first, not child-porn. Probably unintentional for the sake of brevity but their is that chance they are thinking in broader terms. I hope not.
Invade privacy, heheh well if the morons are sharing their C drive then.. never mind, but it does add to the total number of 'bad things' which is a 'good thing' when your trying to get the 'consumers' (choke choke) to fall for it.
Infringe copyrights, well maybe the public doesnt want copyright holders to own copyrights indefinately?
Attorney General: No, no, no, put Infringe Copyrights last so they dont know the RIAA/MPAA are buying the laws we are working on.
Its funny to me how much they play these word games to get it past the average joe. Its even funnier to me how many of these games they played in this rather small letter. Oh well, the average joe is gunna figure it out when theres no more P2P places to go to.
But will joe be upset when he finds out? Lets hope so. Or better yet, the P2P companys could declare war against this BS.
I believe the democrats are going along with it because they dont know any better, and the republicans know a little something and are using it to their advantage, unfortunately its not to the advantage of the people.
Surprisingly often, you can get permission--especially if you represent something like a campus newspaper, where they can assume you'll be responsible.
UN: Can we do a surprise inspection please?
Iraq: Sure, but wait untill tomorrow ok?
Can you imagine what would happen when the students read the headlines?
"What? My school LET THEM hack my network and spy on me?"
These folks did a good thing here, told a capitalist organization they are sick of their privacy and security being totally neglected.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure. [Thomas Jefferson]
Genuine scholarship implies a critical distance and deep understanding of one's subject, not just a lot of knowledge.
Well said, but maybe the people behind the scenes understand their subject so well that thats why they have decided to hijack the particular religion to promote their real motives.
I would think that things get by ones BS'ometer a lot easier if they are coupled with ones religious beliefs.
You forgot to mention that before procedures were put in place to prevent any and all monitoring under the "national security" excuse, the FBI used to monitor anybody that didn't agree with the sitting administration.
Bush is a greedy slimy liar cashing in on the sweat of the poor while stealing everyones civil rights and giving them to the greediest CEO's in the country.
When someone accuses you, he's the one who has to bring the evidence.
But in this case the accuser will be in violation of copyright if he collects the evidence.
Accuser: Company X said something bad! Courts: We find your allegation correct and Company X must pay. Company X: Accuser violated copyright while collecting evidence! Courts: We find Company X's allegation correct and accuser must pay!
This somewhat makes sense, at least the accuser wont be in trouble with the system being discussed, but...
IMHO even though its after the fact, this is still regulation of speech which is completely BS!
If I bring my child downtown and some guy is saying "bad things" my child still hears it and theres not a damn thing I can do about it. Someone needs to tell the ParentsTelevisionCouncil that regulating speech is NOT OK even if it is "for the children". And I believe our government should tell them this!
Dont want your child hearing bad things? Keep them away from other people, and recordings/broadcasts of other people. Do NOT enforce your belief of what "bad things" are on other peoples speech.
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What, so those people can watch what they honestly think to be murder and just shut up?
They can talk all they want, but when they start harming employees/customers of the clinic then they have proven themselves as hypocrites.
When they intentionally manipulate the public to see their point of view or get more votes then they have proven themselves to be a negative influence on our countrys government.
Seperation of church and state IMHO is the single most biggest reason our government has prospered, without it there can be no freedom of speech.
The religious types of late have been actively pursuing manipulation of our government and it is showing.
He says pork but he isnt talking about a pig.
This differs substantially in that our tax dollars will have to be used to make the list and create criminals out of those that dont know they have to comply.
Im sorry but im seeing parks being shut down, less street cleaners, less cops/public servants more and more.
Starve the beast is working(gov has less money, rich have more).
Even without starve the beast happening I dont think its right to divert public funds that benefit a minority.
And like others have said already... just download a friggin parent monitor program.
If your kid is smart enough to bypass it then you have no right deciding what information he/she decides to look at.
copyright owners wanting to control the means by which their product is distributed
The copyright owners in question are doing an extremly poor job of distributing their works.
This wouldnt be so bad if it werent for the fact that the works are no longer entering the public domain after a "limited time".
If copyright owners wont distribute and wont submit works to the public domain, then the copyright owners deserve no publicly funded copyright protection. IMHO
An intellegent entrepreneur would see this as an opportunity to create the same hardware but for cheaper.
If it werent for copyrights,patents,DRM,DMCA and good ol GWB.
Sorry, I couldnt resist.
The answer is simple: "This is our property. We make the rules here, and we don't have to tell you the reasoning behind them.
I think thats where the problem lies...
Yes, its their property but they are a business that opens their property to the public, at which point, their property becomes public'ish and the government makes the rules or lack there of.
Therefore, I will take pictures.
I just wish I could make a living doing this sort of stuff.
Ya, who cares its just a store security camera big whoop. Another snowflake on the mountain, it will eventually give way to an Orwellian society if you dont fight it now!
I dont think the nonpartisan public thinks they are putting a party into the presidency.
/End_dream
I think they expect the president to do the things he said he would do and to handle issues with the same charachter as that they saw of him/her during campaigning.
I think they dont expect the president to do what their party decides to do at any given moment.
And if there were no partys, everyone would be nonpartisan, and the elected would much more closely represent the people!
operating systems don't wear out or 'break' over time they just get found exploits for or don't provide newer functionality that might be needed.
Correct! They dont break over time. They are broken when the customer gets it.
OS Dev: Were not ready to ship, we still have known bugs we need to fix.
OS Company: I dont care, you will ship on x/x/x date so that our stock prices look good. We will fix it later.
(Company ships broken OS)
(Customer uses OS and finds out its broken)
Customer: The OS you shipped me is broken.
OS Dev: Customer is complaining about those things we needed to fix before we shipped. Can we fix them now?
OS Company: That would cost too much money. Dont fix it.
OS Company: Thanks for your bug report customer.
(5 years go by)
Customer: Your OS is still broken. PLEASE FIX IT PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE.
OS Company: You have reported a known bug please read our entire knowledge base before you think your smart enough to send us an email.
(5 years go by)
OS Company: Customers, we are no longer supporting your OS. Good luck, and BTW you can buy our new OS.
Customer: Since you are no longer supporting my OS or selling it, can I have source code?
OS Company: That is intellectual property, if you even think about it again then expect a call from our lawyers.
I dont care what anyone says, MS can ship an OS with less errors. Sure it will cost more money.
So what. I expected an OS that wasnt broken.
Could you imagine what joecomputer user would think about 'OS Company' if they had to tell him about all the broken stuff before he bought it?
I thought that was a Canadian case. Even though Monsanto successfully won the IP violation case, that might not mean the farmer still cant turn around and sue Monsanto for tresspassing or something?
So, if these plants are property of Monsanto, and they happen to start growing on my land with no help from me...
I can charge them with tresspassing...
or maybe illegal dumping???
What you people think?
This is a profound move in so many ways.
A company actually using their patents "To promote the progress of science and useful arts"
and not to mention at the same time hastening the demise of a corrupt mega corporation.
Its obvious IBM has their own survival in mind but doesnt this sound to good to be true?
I apologize, I did come down a little hard on PostX, but I did put a troll disclaimer in the post.
It's the totally anal-retentive less than 5% of people who have issues with it.
The 'issues' are legitimate and although only reported by 5% of people is compromising the security of ALL the people.
Yes, us 'two-bit Slashdot pundits' are ignorant. If you have some insight, share it and you'll probably find were pretty open minded and just seek the truth.
For Schwab.
:)
Schwab knows for sure the information typed into their neato appi was not altered in transit.
Too bad the users of the appi lose security(dont know who the info is going to).
They probably even realize this now, after its too late, but have spent X million dollars on the system and all have their jobs on the line if it were found that a bad decision was made.
So what does a Schwab CEO type do?
What all the other CEO types are doing these days... play stupid and pass the blame.
And as for the company that sold the system to Schwab...
Thats just plain greed. There is no way they couldnt have realized the flaw. And there is no way Schwab would have bought the system had they known of it.
Back to my bridge I go...
MS should have been broken up. It would have been the healthiest thing for both the stock holders and the software market.
Couldnt have said it better!
Too bad it would have been very unhealthy for those that wish to maintain a hierarchical society... *cough* MS/Bush *cough*
I sometimes dream of our government being run by poor people... (sigh)
MS has been so busy smearing Linux they forgot item 2 of their Security Vision!
Or more probably they consciously decided that FUD was of utmost importance.
MS is just digging their own grave with their ulterior motives.
I do a fair share of programming so I can understand some glitches here and there but this one is an enormously major fuckup.
Dont they friggin test their software? What the hell?
This could easily have been prevented if they had just 1 halfway knowledgeable employee trying to break their own security before release!
Now that every(only XP users) PC has a firewall(unless they turned it off), they wont have to spend so much time on making their apps secure!
Its just gunna get worse.
stop consuming the 'property' of these robber barrons
Im sorry but I am so sick of hearing that one because it does absolutely nothing except deprive me of something I desire. It does nothing at all to the 'robber barrons'.
Then theres the 'property' remark...
Sole rights to distribute a work is NOT property.
The post was modded insightful, I hope you meant it to be sarcastic cuz your statement is sooo wrong.
And another thing, when I 'consume' the works they become part of me at which point the barrons have no claim on the work anymore, it has already been distributed.
"confident that the state's decision to intervene will aid in a fair and dispassionate examination of the issues raised in the case,"
Read as "Bush will let us off"
A firewall should NOT need to be an extra application, it should have been part of the system when it was first concieved.
Hows about, a firewall should not be implemented in software on the same pc its protecting.
But it sure is cheaper and easier than buying a hardware firewall or buying/setting up a dedicated software firewall.
My box has never been hacked into.
A successful hack is one in which the atackee does not figure out that the hack ever took place.
Granted, just taking basic precautions does severely limit your chances but...
We are lucky that most of the virus's weve been getting have had the exploit known to the public before the virus gets created.
One of these days the virus/exploit is going to come before public awareness, and if you are using a firewall, your chances of getting infected are even more limited than without one.
There will always be exploits, dont let your untrusted ports communicate with the hackers/virus's in the first place(use a firewall).
By addressing such problems today as the use of P2P networks to disseminate pornography, invade privacy and infringe copyrights ..snip..
Lets do a little reading between the lines shall we...
Pornography is listed first, not child-porn. Probably unintentional for the sake of brevity but their is that chance they are thinking in broader terms. I hope not.
Invade privacy, heheh well if the morons are sharing their C drive then.. never mind, but it does add to the total number of 'bad things' which is a 'good thing' when your trying to get the 'consumers' (choke choke) to fall for it.
Infringe copyrights, well maybe the public doesnt want copyright holders to own copyrights indefinately?
Attorney General: No, no, no, put Infringe Copyrights last so they dont know the RIAA/MPAA are buying the laws we are working on.
Its funny to me how much they play these word games to get it past the average joe. Its even funnier to me how many of these games they played in this rather small letter. Oh well, the average joe is gunna figure it out when theres no more P2P places to go to.
But will joe be upset when he finds out? Lets hope so.
Or better yet, the P2P companys could declare war against this BS.
I believe the democrats are going along with it because they dont know any better, and the republicans know a little something and are using it to their advantage, unfortunately its not to the advantage of the people.
Surprisingly often, you can get permission--especially if you represent something like a campus newspaper, where they can assume you'll be responsible.
UN: Can we do a surprise inspection please?
Iraq: Sure, but wait untill tomorrow ok?
Can you imagine what would happen when the students read the headlines?
"What? My school LET THEM hack my network and spy on me?"
These folks did a good thing here, told a capitalist organization they are sick of their privacy and security being totally neglected.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure. [Thomas Jefferson]
Genuine scholarship implies a critical distance and deep understanding of one's subject, not just a lot of knowledge.
Well said, but maybe the people behind the scenes understand their subject so well that thats why they have decided to hijack the particular religion to promote their real motives.
I would think that things get by ones BS'ometer a lot easier if they are coupled with ones religious beliefs.
You forgot to mention that before procedures were put in place to prevent any and all monitoring under the "national security" excuse, the FBI used to monitor anybody that didn't agree with the sitting administration.
Bush is a greedy slimy liar cashing in on the sweat of the poor while stealing everyones civil rights and giving them to the greediest CEO's in the country.
Monitor away FBI!
When someone accuses you, he's the one who has to bring the evidence.
But in this case the accuser will be in violation of copyright if he collects the evidence.
Accuser: Company X said something bad!
Courts: We find your allegation correct and Company X must pay.
Company X: Accuser violated copyright while collecting evidence!
Courts: We find Company X's allegation correct and accuser must pay!
This somewhat makes sense, at least the accuser wont be in trouble with the system being discussed, but...
IMHO even though its after the fact, this is still regulation of speech which is completely BS!
If I bring my child downtown and some guy is saying "bad things" my child still hears it and theres not a damn thing I can do about it.
Someone needs to tell the ParentsTelevisionCouncil that regulating speech is NOT OK even if it is "for the children". And I believe our government should tell them this!
Dont want your child hearing bad things? Keep them away from other people, and recordings/broadcasts of other people. Do NOT enforce your belief of what "bad things" are on other peoples speech.