What I don't see Eric's model capturing is the fact that you would want to keep "Y" closed-source to prevent competitors from gaining benefit from the technology, code fragments, business models, etc of "Y".
I think you might miss the point that certain contingents of the free software movement want to see an end to business being done like that. That what you see as a benefit to a particular business (they help each other's competition) is one of the goals, and one of the reasons the movement is often referred to as "marxist"
So we are starting to see RAID implementations, and that's wonderful, BUT, what we do not have, is the tuned, log-structured filesystem to stripe onto those lovely disks. We also lack the buffer cache implemented in NVRAM, and we still have severe performance problems with NFS. Backup systems are probably OK, but what about disk monitoring tools?
I only bring up these points in case somebody is thinking that we have anything in the linux camp that can eliminate the need for NetApp, EMC, or Auspex filers. I WISH we did, but I have to wonder if we ever will. Maybe with the release of XFS we will have the filesystem, and that's a start, but there is much more to be done...
"I have a Qualcomm QCP-1920 PCS phone. While the sound quality is good it feels like I'm talking on a half-duplex system. If I talk I essentially stop hearing what the other person is saying."
I find that this varies depending on where I am connected. It's usually thus on an Analog circuit, but near my house, which is downtown, in a very big metro area, the phone is duplex.
The original author, who is the copy(right|left) holder, can do whatever he pleases, including putting it into a proprietary system. Nobody ELSE can do that, and it's an important distinction.
GPL is all about redistribution.
The original author can release the same code under multiple licenses.
"It isn't legally permissible for them to take your code, incorporate it into another product and sell that product. "
That people still believe this (even people who are advocates of the GPL!!) is alarming. It is definitely permissible to do this, as long as source is made available.
The author of this makes it sound like "no way no how" may GPL code be incorporated into a commercial product.
Of course, it taints your product such that you must be very careful about the license (and that pesky open source requirement must be what he is referring to...)
" they must have been the most naive group of people on the planet"
From our point of view, it can seem that way.
I hate to break it to you, but there are a LOT of naieve people in the industry.
There are a whole lot who have IT jobs, never get on the internet at all, have no concept of systems other than the one they run. These are the people who work 4 hours a day, and do not think about computers as an important part of their lives. It's just work, just like any other work... There are a LOT of this type out there.,, It's hard to realize that from where we sit, but I've worked with these people.
It figures they'd find a way to do advertising, but not to give us a real system monitor in the rom. With a system monitor, we would not need lilo for instance. Digital workstations, Sun workstations, all kinds of other equipment has a monitor ROM, and this is one thing that has always been lacking in Intel hardware.
When i produced a band back in the 80's, we did some vinyl and a cd. In all cases, it was the COVER ART that cost as much as everything else about the work put together.
Some of my favorite artwork is from record covers. The importance of cover art is dimished as the CD shrunk it, and elimated altogether with the media revolution that is taking place.
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"2) Running phone line to my home theatre is an unnecessary hassle. "
You have to have this for digital cable in my market. Calls to TCI did not result in straight answers.
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"Forget ever being able to have an open source program to play the media. "
If I understand correctly, we have the very same problem with DVD. In this respect, DIVX and DVD do not appear to differ.
"This difference was a bigger selling point to the average consumer than the oh-so-slightly better quality Beta had to offer over VHS. So VHS won. "
Quantity was, and is, more important than quality to many people. When VHS and Beta were battling it out, lots of people had 8-tracks in their cars.
Now that it's possible to take digital music for granted, it's less of a problem, but it was a nuisance to me the low sound quality people would settle for back then.
Sure, we need all kinds of things though. Decent Midi software for one thing; something that can take midi -in and output staff music, and then typeset it.
So much of the "music" layer is "mp3 this, mp3 that" but that's not really all musicians want. To me, midi is far more important. A GUI/wysiwyg composition tool would absolutely rock, as would a port of something like guitar pro.
Studio folks need SMTPE encoding too, for A/V. Keyboard players need midi sequencers. A linux port of cakewalk, for instance.
If 8 people want to write something, they should cooperate, collaborate, and share, or else what the hell do they think they're doing in the free software community?
The culture where people work in secrecy and don't share, is the very problem that the free software community is working to avoid.
If you start working on this project, you should make every revision available to the public. If you're afraid somebody will steal your (published, copyright) work in progress and submit it to the FSF, you probably would be happier working on something else...
My landlord gets US$750.00 out of my every month by threatening to withhold my privilege of living in his building.
You were saying?
Government withholds privileges by sending men with guns to stop your enjoyment of privileges. Your landlady may have a gun, but cannot use it in the same way. There may be specific circumstances where the landlady has recourse to the law, but only in extreme cases will men with guns be involved.
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What I don't see Eric's model capturing is the fact that you would want
to keep "Y" closed-source to prevent competitors from gaining benefit
from the technology, code fragments, business models, etc of "Y".
I think you might miss the point that certain
contingents of the free software movement want to see an end to business being done like that. That what you see as a benefit to a particular business (they help each other's competition) is one of the goals, and one of the reasons the movement is often referred to as "marxist"
So we are starting to see RAID implementations, and that's wonderful, BUT, what we do not have,
is the tuned, log-structured filesystem to stripe onto those lovely disks. We also lack the buffer cache implemented in NVRAM, and we still have severe performance problems with NFS. Backup systems are probably OK, but what about disk monitoring tools?
I only bring up these points in case somebody is
thinking that we have anything in the linux camp
that can eliminate the need for NetApp, EMC, or Auspex filers. I WISH we did, but I have to wonder if we ever will. Maybe with the release
of XFS we will have the filesystem, and that's a start, but there is much more to be done...
The only shareware I've ever seen on Linux was xv
Please suggest an alternative to XV's visual schnauzer function. Electric Eyes isn't quite
it...
I'm so glad I don't fall into this category, since
My linux workstation is a 64 bit Digital.
"LINUX
"COMMUNITY" (WHICH IS NOTHING MORE THAN A PACK OF RETARDS USING
486 OR AMD-SHIT DRIVEN PC'S"
"I have a Qualcomm QCP-1920 PCS phone. While the sound quality is good it feels
like I'm talking on a half-duplex system. If I talk I essentially stop hearing what the
other person is saying."
I find that this varies depending on where
I am connected. It's usually thus on an Analog
circuit, but near my house, which is downtown, in a very big metro area, the phone is duplex.
"So this person is clearly breaking the law."
Clearly, that is, if the Internet has been held
by the court to be a broadcast medium. Has it?
Cite please.
. And we'll be back to reinventing the wheel all over again.
:-)
YOU will be back to reinventing the wheel
WE will be happily running linux!
Hint: It already does not matter to many people that linux won't run office, quicktime, etc.
There's always the difference between the
"spirit" and the "letter" of a law, contract,
or license.
In the suit, one of the arguments might be that
such obfuscation violates the spirit, but not
the letter, of the license.
These cases are why you pay the lawyers the big bucks!
The original author, who is the copy(right|left)
holder, can do whatever he pleases, including
putting it into a proprietary system. Nobody ELSE
can do that, and it's an important distinction.
GPL is all about redistribution.
The original author can release the same code under multiple licenses.
"It isn't
legally permissible for them to take your code, incorporate it into
another product and sell that product. "
That people still believe this (even people who are advocates of the GPL!!) is alarming.
It is definitely permissible to do this, as long as source is made available.
The author of this makes it sound like "no way no how" may GPL code be incorporated into a commercial product.
Of course, it taints your product such that you must be very careful about the license (and that
pesky open source requirement must be what he
is referring to...)
" they must have been the
most naive group of people on the planet"
From our point of view, it can seem that way.
I hate to break it to you, but there are a LOT
of naieve people in the industry.
There are a whole lot who have IT jobs, never get
on the internet at all, have no concept of systems
other than the one they run. These are the people
who work 4 hours a day, and do not think about
computers as an important part of their lives.
It's just work, just like any other work...
There are a LOT of this type out there.,,
It's hard to realize that from where we sit, but
I've worked with these people.
"but if you get paid less than some slacker.. that will create some serious problems"
I get paid less than certain slackers here in
the corporate world. What's unique here?
It figures they'd find a way to do advertising,
but not to give us a real system monitor in the
rom.
With a system monitor, we would not need lilo
for instance.
Digital workstations, Sun workstations, all kinds
of other equipment has a monitor ROM, and this is
one thing that has always been lacking in Intel
hardware.
When i produced a band back in the 80's, we did
some vinyl and a cd. In all cases, it was the
COVER ART that cost as much as everything else about the work put together.
Some of my favorite artwork is from record covers.
The importance of cover art is dimished as the
CD shrunk it, and elimated altogether with the
media revolution that is taking place.
"2) Running phone line to my home theatre is an unnecessary hassle. "
You have to have this for digital cable in
my market. Calls to TCI did not result in
straight answers.
"Forget ever being able to have an open source
program to play the media. "
If I understand correctly, we have the very same
problem with DVD. In this respect, DIVX and DVD
do not appear to differ.
"This difference was a bigger selling point to the average consumer than the oh-so-slightly better quality Beta had to offer over VHS. So VHS won. "
Quantity was, and is, more important than quality
to many people. When VHS and Beta were battling it out, lots of people had 8-tracks in their cars.
Now that it's possible to take digital music
for granted, it's less of a problem, but it
was a nuisance to me the low sound quality people
would settle for back then.
"that mail-order music
clubs can charge $4/CD"
Which clubs are those? Not Columbia House or BMG, certainly.
"Generally a pretty clueful opinion, IMHO."
It means people who care, are snailing letters
to people who have influence!
WRITE your representatives! Email doesn't have
the same impact as snail!
"Here, in MN our attorney general just filed suit against US Bank because they are selling our private information"
Sounds like the system is working.
It's not like the AG is in on the conspiracy...
Sure, we need all kinds of things though.
Decent Midi software for one thing; something
that can take midi -in and output staff music,
and then typeset it.
So much of the "music" layer is "mp3 this, mp3 that" but that's not really all musicians want.
To me, midi is far more important. A GUI/wysiwyg
composition tool would absolutely rock, as would
a port of something like guitar pro.
Studio folks need SMTPE encoding too, for A/V.
Keyboard players need midi sequencers. A linux
port of cakewalk, for instance.
And where is the decent speech synthesis?
If 8 people want to write something, they
should cooperate, collaborate, and share,
or else what the hell do they think they're
doing in the free software community?
The culture where people work in secrecy and
don't share, is the very problem that the free
software community is working to avoid.
If you start working on this project, you should
make every revision available to the public.
If you're afraid somebody will steal your (published, copyright) work in progress and
submit it to the FSF, you probably would be
happier working on something else...
I've always lived in pre-1940 houses and
rarely have grounded outlets
maybe this could be turned into a poll question
they are wanting real money for those hampsters!
My landlord gets US$750.00 out of my every month by threatening to withhold my privilege of living in his building.
You were saying?
Government withholds privileges by sending men
with guns to stop your enjoyment of privileges.
Your landlady may have a gun, but cannot use it
in the same way. There may be specific circumstances where the landlady has recourse to
the law, but only in extreme cases will men with
guns be involved.