yeah and I bet some of those who lived in mud houses use computers.
mud houses are going out, but donkeys will remain for a long time, its the only means of transport over agriculture land that does not destroy the plants.
the armed guards is our governments brilliant method of reassuring tourists, I doubt they reassure anyone at all.
and off course to abuse the locals who try to make contact with the tourists.
> I doubt they make any big profits but it seems >their goals are to make a living not a profit.
so I said they did not make big profits.
the part about the goal is about the goal, if the goal is to make a living and this means you have to make a modest profit then surely they're aiming at or already making a modest profit.
I thought when one says the goal is to make a profit this somehow implies a very large and ever growing profit.was I mistaken?
actualy the banned Matrix movie has just been allowed.
so some Egyptians saw the 1st, the 3rd and then the 2nd
and yeah it saddens me soo much that we have censorship here, and I try to do my part in fighting all this.
actualy there is a very small number of jews still living in Egypt, and a community in Moroco but yeah Arab governments did deport and persecute jewish citizens and yeah that was wrong on all levels.
its not the only bad thing our governments do, as I stated before we're talking about corrupt dictatorships that don't respect their citizens rights at all here.
Yasser Arafat did not come from Egypt he was raised in Egypt.
an interesting fact is the founders of the state of Isreal all came from outside Israel go figure.
well first of all what you consider misinformation is what all egyptians consider to be the truth.
we (me included) believe this is the occupied land of palestine.
we are taught that this was the land of palestine, then the details of how it was split into israel and the occupied territories are explained (at around the 8th grade).
almost all accepted the inevitable need for a two state solution BTW (many would prefer a single secular state where all are equal).
I don't know about palestine but here textbooks are published by the government, only foriegn language textbooks are published by any companies.
as for hatred I'm not sure I understand what you mean by that? and towards whome?, but here goes anyway.
no schools are not supposed to teach hatred of any kind, they're supposed to teach tolerance and understanding.
however it happens from time to time (too regular for my liking) that teachers would voice anti christian opinions and teach hate speech against christians.
these are grounds for firing the teacher BTW.
same for mosques, there is anti jewish as well as anti christian talk in some mosques. the government tries to censor this kind of speech, but censorship is not an effective tool at all IMO.
strife between the two religions is growing in Egypt, and US intereference is not helping the situation at all, in fact its making it worse.
many are standing against it, some have been killed for it, its an ongoing fight and I'm hoping the voices of tolerance will win.
as for anti jewish speech, many egyptians (almost everyone who isn't among the fundementalists and even some of the fundementalists) stand against any anti-jewish speech, in fact we go to great efforts to point out the not all jews are zionists and that what we stand against is the ideology and the policies of zionism and not the jewish enthicity or religion.
unfortunatly, the strong always define the battle, the more the US and Israel harp about the clash of civilization the more it becomes a reality.
if you want to know more about how egyptians think about these issue, I recommend you browse the Linux-Egypt forum, politics comes up very often and a big part of the conversation is in English (search for iraq, israel, islam, etc)
agreed honor killing is a problem. but please don't generalise, do a bit of research and you'll find many Egyptians, Muslims and otherwise working against them.
wife beating is not a muslim only phenomena, I'm not saying this to defend muslims I've no interest in that, I'm saying this because we have to recognise where the problem comes from in order to solve it.
I don't deny that wife beating is rife here though, we got many problems.
as for Israel, most arabs consider the arab states to be too pro Israel for their taste. attitudes towards israel will not change until the occupation is over and the palestinian refugees return.
and as I mentioned before most egyptians would prefer if you kept the 1.4 billions. start a campaign with no racist slogans and I promis you 1000 egyptians who will sign it and 100 who will work activly for it (these are big numbers considering the level of apathy here). +
yes sadly enough I'm refering to an observation where a large group of Egyptians who recieved basic education can't do much beyond write their own names and read road signs.
not sure if this is because they never really learned better or if its because they forget these skills due to lack of practice.
well I'm a strongly secular guy, I consider myself a socialist.
but I'd welcome any government chosen democraticaly over what we have now, even if it was the muslim brotherhood.
however almost all Egyptias I know would not support sharia law, and there are enough mobilized ans strong women here to make sure their voices are heard whenever a democratic process kicks in.
well I find it a good exercise. when I talk about someone and use him, he, his, etc I always visualize that someone to be a male.
which is not nessecarily a bad thing, but I prefer to be aware when I'm realy talking about a generic someone and when I'm talking about a male someone or a female someone.
lots of mistakes, check above I explained how honor crimes work, usualy the guy kills both the wife and the adulterer.
now this isn't an arab thing at all, passion crimes are very common all over the world.
the backwards egyptian part is the husband can get away with it if he kills them both in the marital bed (if the slept together on the sofa in the hall he goes to jail).
I suppose the outrage will be a bit higher if the male was christian, I'm sure it will be the same if the roles where reversed and the husband was a christian and the adulterer a muslim.
I can't see how this is uniquely egyptian, intollerance is common all over the world, and intollerence to adulterers even more so.
and BTW arab states only tried to attack israel once in 1948 which was when the state was found.
the only other time they fought together was in 1967 and the fight was in sinai (part of Egypt) and the Golan heights (part of Syria).
yeah thats right except you give Israel about 9 billion dollars.
not sure how much of them are stated in the Camp David accords.
however it was just pointed out to me that at least one single useful thing was done with the money you send us; The egyptian version of Sesame Street, very cute and very popular here.
Alaa is the Arabic equivalent for "what?" more like an expression of surprise and astonishment with a heavy lean to accusations of are you crazy/silly?
huh? you got it all wrong, in fact I've no idea which arabic word you have in mind.
my name is 3alaa2 () and it roughly means to elevate to higher levels (or to go up).
although it is a common meal, supposed to take a very long time to cook to the point where its common to say "is this camel tea" when someone takes a very long time making tea:-)
oh yes and every morning you get to see them leading a horde of camels across the streets of cairo, I suppose taking them to the slaughter house.
and sure its cool I'm a beer lover myself, hell I got flamed for showing beer bottles in my website:-(
Slashdot Mirror
hehe anything you say.
yeah and I bet some of those who lived in mud houses use computers.
mud houses are going out, but donkeys will remain for a long time, its the only means of transport over agriculture land that does not destroy the plants.
the armed guards is our governments brilliant method of reassuring tourists, I doubt they reassure anyone at all.
and off course to abuse the locals who try to make contact with the tourists.
egyptians are generaly verbose yes.
:-(
but I'm more verbose than most, I find it very hard to write short stuff
glad you enjoyed it though, will learn to refactor one day.
is this my bad english or what
> I doubt they make any big profits but it seems
>their goals are to make a living not a profit.
so I said they did not make big profits.
the part about the goal is about the goal, if the goal is to make a living and this means you have to make a modest profit then surely they're aiming at or already making a modest profit.
I thought when one says the goal is to make a profit this somehow implies a very large and ever growing profit.was I mistaken?
actualy the banned Matrix movie has just been allowed.
so some Egyptians saw the 1st, the 3rd and then the 2nd
and yeah it saddens me soo much that we have censorship here, and I try to do my part in fighting all this.
actualy there is a very small number of jews still living in Egypt, and a community in Moroco
but yeah Arab governments did deport and persecute jewish citizens and yeah that was wrong on all levels.
its not the only bad thing our governments do, as I stated before we're talking about corrupt dictatorships that don't respect their citizens rights at all here.
Yasser Arafat did not come from Egypt he was raised in Egypt.
an interesting fact is the founders of the state of Isreal all came from outside Israel go figure.
well first of all what you consider misinformation is what all egyptians consider to be the truth.
we (me included) believe this is the occupied land of palestine.
we are taught that this was the land of palestine, then the details of how it was split into israel and the occupied territories are explained (at around the 8th grade).
almost all accepted the inevitable need for a two state solution BTW (many would prefer a single secular state where all are equal).
I don't know about palestine but here textbooks are published by the government, only foriegn language textbooks are published by any companies.
as for hatred I'm not sure I understand what you mean by that? and towards whome?, but here goes anyway.
no schools are not supposed to teach hatred of any kind, they're supposed to teach tolerance and understanding.
however it happens from time to time (too regular for my liking) that teachers would voice anti christian opinions and teach hate speech against christians.
these are grounds for firing the teacher BTW.
same for mosques, there is anti jewish as well as anti christian talk in some mosques.
the government tries to censor this kind of speech, but censorship is not an effective tool at all IMO.
strife between the two religions is growing in Egypt, and US intereference is not helping the situation at all, in fact its making it worse.
many are standing against it, some have been killed for it, its an ongoing fight and I'm hoping the voices of tolerance will win.
as for anti jewish speech, many egyptians (almost everyone who isn't among the fundementalists and even some of the fundementalists) stand against any anti-jewish speech, in fact we go to great efforts to point out the not all jews are zionists and that what we stand against is the ideology and the policies of zionism and not the jewish enthicity or religion.
unfortunatly, the strong always define the battle, the more the US and Israel harp about the clash of civilization the more it becomes a reality.
if you want to know more about how egyptians think about these issue, I recommend you browse the Linux-Egypt forum, politics comes up very often and a big part of the conversation is in English (search for iraq, israel, islam, etc)
agreed honor killing is a problem.
but please don't generalise, do a bit of research and you'll find many Egyptians, Muslims and otherwise working against them.
wife beating is not a muslim only phenomena, I'm not saying this to defend muslims I've no interest in that, I'm saying this because we have to recognise where the problem comes from in order to solve it.
I don't deny that wife beating is rife here though, we got many problems.
as for Israel, most arabs consider the arab states to be too pro Israel for their taste.
attitudes towards israel will not change until the occupation is over and the palestinian refugees return.
and as I mentioned before most egyptians would prefer if you kept the 1.4 billions.
start a campaign with no racist slogans and I promis you 1000 egyptians who will sign it and 100 who will work activly for it (these are big numbers considering the level of apathy here).
+
hehe not sure if we'll have enough readership to cause slashdot effects.
I'd use drupal though if I was to make one
yes sadly enough I'm refering to an observation where a large group of Egyptians who recieved basic education can't do much beyond write their own names and read road signs.
not sure if this is because they never really learned better or if its because they forget these skills due to lack of practice.
oh forgot to mention.
our shops get components on OEM deals and sell them as parts.
these are almost always unpackaged (yeah you take your pentuim wrapped ina piece of paper), and much cheaper then the packaged thing.
lol +1 funny
I was not offended.
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I was surprised because the photos showed what I considered a large amount of females for such an event.
and to tell you the truth this is one bit I'm very proud about.
I'm not trying to say women have it easy here they don't.
and there is much intolerance even in Linux-Egypt itself http://www.linux-egypt.org/showthread.php?s=&thre
well I'm a strongly secular guy, I consider myself a socialist.
but I'd welcome any government chosen democraticaly over what we have now, even if it was the muslim brotherhood.
however almost all Egyptias I know would not support sharia law, and there are enough mobilized ans strong women here to make sure their voices are heard whenever a democratic process kicks in.
well I find it a good exercise.
when I talk about someone and use him, he, his, etc I always visualize that someone to be a male.
which is not nessecarily a bad thing, but I prefer to be aware when I'm realy talking about a generic someone and when I'm talking about a male someone or a female someone.
lots of mistakes, check above I explained how honor crimes work, usualy the guy kills both the wife and the adulterer.
now this isn't an arab thing at all, passion crimes are very common all over the world.
the backwards egyptian part is the husband can get away with it if he kills them both in the marital bed (if the slept together on the sofa in the hall he goes to jail).
I suppose the outrage will be a bit higher if the male was christian, I'm sure it will be the same if the roles where reversed and the husband was a christian and the adulterer a muslim.
I can't see how this is uniquely egyptian, intollerance is common all over the world, and intollerence to adulterers even more so.
and BTW arab states only tried to attack israel once in 1948 which was when the state was found.
the only other time they fought together was in 1967 and the fight was in sinai (part of Egypt) and the Golan heights (part of Syria).
its 40% illitracy not 60%
its dust not sand and its almost exclusivly a Cairo problem not common in the rest of Egypt.
the dust is half pollutions and dirt and half errosion from the moqatam hill.
you should visit Egypt and try stella, you'll love all brews afterwards.
each stella bottle tastes different, I think I drank a very good one one day.
yeah thats right except you give Israel about 9 billion dollars.
not sure how much of them are stated in the Camp David accords.
however it was just pointed out to me that at least one single useful thing was done with the money you send us;
The egyptian version of Sesame Street, very cute and very popular here.
thanx for it folks.
heh I'm not allowed to write arabic here?
you insensitive clods, ya moftareyin
huh?
you got it all wrong, in fact I've no idea which arabic word you have in mind.
my name is 3alaa2 () and it roughly means to elevate to higher levels (or to go up).
no idea not a smoker myself
they're not close at all in pronouncation.
in fact my name sounds rather funy, it ends in with a stop as if someone hit your throat while trying to say a long Aaaah
yes we have american cigarettes but they're made by an Egyptian factory.
in fact we have one factory that produces all brands Egyptian and American.
I never tasted camel meat myself.
:-)
:-(
although it is a common meal, supposed to take a very long time to cook to the point where its common to say "is this camel tea" when someone takes a very long time making tea
oh yes and every morning you get to see them leading a horde of camels across the streets of cairo, I suppose taking them to the slaughter house.
and sure its cool I'm a beer lover myself, hell I got flamed for showing beer bottles in my website