I'm 20 and I download music, but I do it from legal sources.
You're much more informed on the issue of copyright then most people. Why I spoke with my mum the other day and was amazed to hear she didn't know about the public domain.
are fed up with being treated like criminals just because of our age.
I'm 24 and I don't pirate music. But I also realise both me and you are in the minority.
So if I come to you saying that someone killed my father and got out of a trial due to a police misconduct and give you the film footage I have of the person killing my father, you won't take the case if the person also has cancer?
-yes she is innocent, as anyone knows who RTFA
I'd love for that to be true, but the article doesn't actually say it. All it does say is how poor her conditions are. Sick and poor people can use a computer (I know several poor people who manage to afford an internet connection).
-yes her poverty and illness and depression were factors in her failing to respond on time, since it is usually impossible for someone in her position to get a lawyer to take her case.
Then I hope you also support a law that would make it impossible to sue someone in such a condition.
You are saying that because the RIAA sued her, she is probably guilty.
Nope, I'm saying she's 19 and has an internet connection* so she is probably guilty.
* the article is actually pretty light on this and she might not have an internet connection. Although if she didn't have one, I think that'd be MUCH more relevant then her being ill and so would have been mentioned.
So the RIAA should just let all the pirates out there keep pirating their product and give up with trying to make money to produce more music with?
With all the lawsuits the RIAA has brought before the courts (both fair and unfair) there is a mind-boggling number of pirates who have remained unmolested.
If we need the law to be changed, so they aren't breaking the law, then fine. But it needs to be done damn soon. And Congress doesn't appear inclined to even consider the issue.
Its easy to assume that the 19 year old adult was bedridden given the description New York Country Lawyer has given her, but the news article he links to doesn't actually say she was bedridden.
Were they not able to respond? If they couldn't respond because the defendant was too depressed (as in, suffers from major depression, which is quite different to simply being sad and considering how ill she is I think its safe to say she has depression) and/or couldn't physically get there, then I have nothing but sympathy for them and hope they get the case overturned.
Unfortunately the linked article doesn't explain any of this. It simply makes appeals on emotion.
Something that doesn't add up is, if the father got the internet connection for his new apartment, why wasn't the ISP's records to the new apartment? And even if he did put his old address, how the heck did it get put in his daughter's name? That just doesn't make sense.
But 19-year-old Ciara Sauro strongly denies the charge and says she and her mother are overwhelmed with medical debts.
I don't see how that's relevant (if it is, the Pittsburgh Times doesn't explain it. Did the papers get lost amongst all the medical bills? Dunno). It'd be like me saying "I've just killed 20 kittens today, and I can't pay all my medical bills."
I find it amazing that not only is there a 19 year old out there who doesn't download music, but the RIAA managed to find them! I mean what are the odds that a 19 year old the RIAA sues, HAPPENS to be one of the very few who don't pirate?
The odds are simply staggering. Why if the RIAA had those odds when it came to the lottery, they wouldn't need to sell music anymore.
What happens when Google upgrades the anti-phishing to v3? Should the programmers then upgrade Firefox 2? What about when the anti-phishing is upgraded again? and again? and again?
If you want to use Firefox 2 with the latest anti-phishing software from Google, why not leverage the open source community to do just that?
After all, isn't that suppose to be the benefit from people developing OSS? Anyone can do whatever they want?
Or maybe real life hasn't actually lived up to the big promise that is OSS?
A child's consent is unimportant (they're kids!), and parents have consented to their children sleeping with known paedophiles. So clearly the law needs to protect children above what their parents deem okay.
This is not for sexual pleasure and it is not depicting any sort of sexual act. Therefore, I personally have no problem with it
It is a sexual pose, and therefore I have a problem with it.
Since minors are legally considered to be unable to make an informed decision about this sort of thing, in no case should photos of unclothed minors be considered "art", at least (or especially) when paired with a product intended for mass market sale.
Y'know there's quite a bit of logic in that. I wouldn't make the argument myself, but its certainly thought provoking.
By this logic no child can be put in a sexual pose. If this were the case then you should be arguing the law shouldn't exist, not that she isn't in a sexual pose.
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I'm 20 and I download music, but I do it from legal sources.
You're much more informed on the issue of copyright then most people. Why I spoke with my mum the other day and was amazed to hear she didn't know about the public domain.
are fed up with being treated like criminals just because of our age.
I'm 24 and I don't pirate music. But I also realise both me and you are in the minority.
Sure. Just call the Make A Wish Foundation.
I didn't know the Make A Wish Foundation did every cancer patient's whim until they die. That's pretty cool. Wait, they don't?
Whose the Fucking Moron now?
Just because you think it isn't fair doesn't mean you should be able to get away with it.
If you're sick, it's ok to plagiarize?
Its against the law to plagiarize!?!?!?!?
I think you meant infringe ;)
-I don't bring lawsuits against helpless people
So if I come to you saying that someone killed my father and got out of a trial due to a police misconduct and give you the film footage I have of the person killing my father, you won't take the case if the person also has cancer?
-yes she is innocent, as anyone knows who RTFA
I'd love for that to be true, but the article doesn't actually say it. All it does say is how poor her conditions are. Sick and poor people can use a computer (I know several poor people who manage to afford an internet connection).
-yes her poverty and illness and depression were factors in her failing to respond on time, since it is usually impossible for someone in her position to get a lawyer to take her case.
Then I hope you also support a law that would make it impossible to sue someone in such a condition.
You are saying that because the RIAA sued her, she is probably guilty.
Nope, I'm saying she's 19 and has an internet connection* so she is probably guilty.
* the article is actually pretty light on this and she might not have an internet connection. Although if she didn't have one, I think that'd be MUCH more relevant then her being ill and so would have been mentioned.
So the RIAA should just let all the pirates out there keep pirating their product and give up with trying to make money to produce more music with?
With all the lawsuits the RIAA has brought before the courts (both fair and unfair) there is a mind-boggling number of pirates who have remained unmolested.
If we need the law to be changed, so they aren't breaking the law, then fine. But it needs to be done damn soon. And Congress doesn't appear inclined to even consider the issue.
If the sentence ended in a period wouldn't that just be bad grammar?
You sort of have to buy RIAA music in the first place to boycott them. FYI.
The fact she was in the hospital made it impossible for her to respond to the complaint
Citation needed. Because the article says
[Ciaro Sauro] is hospitalized weekly.
Which would suggest she spends part of the time out of hospital.
Its easy to assume that the 19 year old adult was bedridden given the description New York Country Lawyer has given her, but the news article he links to doesn't actually say she was bedridden.
simply not being able to respond
Were they not able to respond? If they couldn't respond because the defendant was too depressed (as in, suffers from major depression, which is quite different to simply being sad and considering how ill she is I think its safe to say she has depression) and/or couldn't physically get there, then I have nothing but sympathy for them and hope they get the case overturned.
Unfortunately the linked article doesn't explain any of this. It simply makes appeals on emotion.
Something that doesn't add up is, if the father got the internet connection for his new apartment, why wasn't the ISP's records to the new apartment? And even if he did put his old address, how the heck did it get put in his daughter's name? That just doesn't make sense.
She is guilty because she didnt respond in time? WTF is this?
Well how much time SHOULD someone get to respond? Forever? If so I never have to worry about getting sued. I just never, ever go to court.
But 19-year-old Ciara Sauro strongly denies the charge and says she and her mother are overwhelmed with medical debts.
I don't see how that's relevant (if it is, the Pittsburgh Times doesn't explain it. Did the papers get lost amongst all the medical bills? Dunno). It'd be like me saying "I've just killed 20 kittens today, and I can't pay all my medical bills."
I find it amazing that not only is there a 19 year old out there who doesn't download music, but the RIAA managed to find them! I mean what are the odds that a 19 year old the RIAA sues, HAPPENS to be one of the very few who don't pirate?
The odds are simply staggering. Why if the RIAA had those odds when it came to the lottery, they wouldn't need to sell music anymore.
So wait, if I've got cancer then I can get whatever I want, for free?
The version 3.0 still seems slower and more buggy than the version of 2.0
Well it might SEEM slower and more buggy, but objective tests I've done (as I wanted to know which was better) indicate this isn't true.
What happens when Google upgrades the anti-phishing to v3? Should the programmers then upgrade Firefox 2? What about when the anti-phishing is upgraded again? and again? and again?
If you want to use Firefox 2 with the latest anti-phishing software from Google, why not leverage the open source community to do just that?
After all, isn't that suppose to be the benefit from people developing OSS? Anyone can do whatever they want?
Or maybe real life hasn't actually lived up to the big promise that is OSS?
US law isn't important when discussing a ban happening in the UK.
I know slashdot has a bias towards America but that's simply ridiculous.
parents are naturally curious whether such severe side effects are causing permanent damage.
If that were true they'd be interested to hear that the vaccine DIDN'T cause the death, despite earlier reports that it did.
Nudity isn't porn
And yet do you think if a 24 year old woman had been in that same pose on that cover it could have been sold for 30 years without being censored?
Truly, whatever you believe, the law is fucked.
A child's consent is unimportant (they're kids!), and parents have consented to their children sleeping with known paedophiles. So clearly the law needs to protect children above what their parents deem okay.
This is not for sexual pleasure and it is not depicting any sort of sexual act. Therefore, I personally have no problem with it
It is a sexual pose, and therefore I have a problem with it.
Since minors are legally considered to be unable to make an informed decision about this sort of thing, in no case should photos of unclothed minors be considered "art", at least (or especially) when paired with a product intended for mass market sale.
Y'know there's quite a bit of logic in that. I wouldn't make the argument myself, but its certainly thought provoking.
I'm sorry to see you've been modded troll.
By this logic no child can be put in a sexual pose. If this were the case then you should be arguing the law shouldn't exist, not that she isn't in a sexual pose.
she is not in any sexual situation
It definitely seems like a sexual pose to me. Put a woman in that pose and I definitely see it being sexual.