Were you as outraged when Clinton did it? IIRC, The NY Times ran editorial saying he was on the right track with his intelligence policies, even if they didn't sit well.
I am excusing nothing. Bottom-scraping would be faulting Bush for doing things that Clinton did. Don't forget that Eschelon and Carnivore began as part ofClinton's policies. Nonetheless, Bush is depicted as the one responsible for them.
When, in your opinion, was this the best damn country in the world? Do you have any idea what it's like in other countries? Even Western countries like France, where you can go to jail for questioning the validity of the Nuremberg trials? Talk to people who grew up in other countries and lived substantial adult lives there. Don't get your perspective of how the US stacks up against the rest of the world from half-baked Slashdot postings or the 6 o'clock news.
Yes. It seems, in retrospect, the evidence was wrong. It is also speculation reported as news when we are told he lied about them in order to go into Iraq for one or more of the following: Christian Holy War, oil, racism against Middle-Easterners, finish what his father started, or being a Republican.
No-bid contracts happen all the time. They are always given to favored companies -- this is not corruption in the legal sense. It is standard fair. What is illegal is also standard fair and has nothing to do with Haliburton or no-bid contracts -- mainly $1 million towels, etc.
So, during Katrina's aftermatch in New Orleans, Bush should have built a time machine, gone back in time, and chosen someone to head FEMA who would violate the law by entering New rleans before a state of emergency was declared?
Then I really can't help you. Tice set himself up as an enemy of the President. The OP said they believed him, but not the President. How was my response nonsensical?
How are the number of whistleblowers or how the Presidency views them relevant? What makes the media call those who injure the Presidency whistleblowers, while those who help the Presidency are called leakers?
Name a "presidential scandal" and I will tell you what I recall of the TV coverage. They report pure rumor as fact. It's like they have the same sources as Capitol Hill Blue.
The news media that lies nearly every time I watch it. It's easy to ignore the lies when they are what you want to hear. Ironically, after Bush leaves office and all of the kicking and screaming are done, the historical perspective will likely see him as just another President, unpopular from day one with an overactive press eager to demonize him for things every other President has done.
The news media claims Bush knew there were no WMDs in Iraq. Barring an admission from him, this can not be seen as credible. No-bid contracts have always gone to companies that those in power liked for whatever reason -- procurement issues like this happen in even the smallest towns in America, a fact glanced over by the news media. I suppose you expected Bush to run into flooded New Orleans and rescue people himself. What was it he should have personally done? The news media certainly doesn't seem to think that the municipal or state governments had any duty there. In fact, FEMA is blamed for being too late, even when they are not permitted to enter the area until the Governor (or other body with appropriate power) declares a state of emergency.
Ironically, if Clinton had done a better job, 9/11 would probably not have happened (though the Republicans in Congress can be blamed somewhat for distracting him with investigations)and Bush's approval ratings would never have gone much beyond the dismal numbers they were when he took office.
Treason requires conspiring with an enemy. This could be considered Sedition. Nonetheless, he is considered a whistle-blower in the mainstream press. Why wasn't Rove called a whistle-blower too?
How old are you? Do you know anything about the history, even as recently as Clinton, of Presidencies doing things to the American people that are less than favorable? If you really want to play the petty partisan argument game, keep in mind what the great progressive Presidents in America have done: Lincoln, F. R. Roosevelt, Kennedy, and Johnson
The bottom line is that anyone who leaks national security secrets should be punished to the full extent of the law.
I took a shower this morning, but thanks for your concern. I suppose you think Clinton was squeaky clean?
Why do you so readilly believe the news media then? I almost never watch TV news, but favor the radio instead. Whenever I do watch TV news, I am always shocked at how slanted or just inaccurate their stories are.
The economist attitude toward this would be that you are effectively being paid, since your bill is lower because of it. If every carrier does it, then those that don't will be at a disadvantage, earn below normal returns, lose investors, and go bankrupt.
From the ethical/legal standpoint, it is quite a non-issue. Phone records have never been sacred. If I were someone concerned with privacy, I would care a lot more about things like the Google cookie that doesn't expire until 2038 and allows them to track what I search for and which of the returned hits I visit.
There were some current (recent 2.6 kernel with XFS, JFS, possibly Reiser4, etc) benchmarks done on highend servers (or at least something with drives a few steps up from the CompUSA weekly special), especially if anyone wants to see Linux succeed in the enterprise.
Yeah. Those assholes are all concerned with details like no one watching the show. Though I do like Futurama, I have never known of anyone beyond Slashdot who did too.
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They certainly don't like RealNetworks' content being played on iPods.
Sounds about right to me. Welcome to Slashdot.
Quite true. But, keep in mind who won the Civil War ;)
It put her husband in the spot light after he lied in a Senate intelligence report.
Were you as outraged when Clinton did it? IIRC, The NY Times ran editorial saying he was on the right track with his intelligence policies, even if they didn't sit well.
I could very easily see Mac breaking whatever EFI support MS implemented. Keep in mind the whole Real/iPod thing...
There you go. 90% of that is speculation, but reported and gobbled up by the masses as news.
I am excusing nothing. Bottom-scraping would be faulting Bush for doing things that Clinton did. Don't forget that Eschelon and Carnivore began as part ofClinton's policies. Nonetheless, Bush is depicted as the one responsible for them.
When, in your opinion, was this the best damn country in the world? Do you have any idea what it's like in other countries? Even Western countries like France, where you can go to jail for questioning the validity of the Nuremberg trials? Talk to people who grew up in other countries and lived substantial adult lives there. Don't get your perspective of how the US stacks up against the rest of the world from half-baked Slashdot postings or the 6 o'clock news.
Yes. It seems, in retrospect, the evidence was wrong. It is also speculation reported as news when we are told he lied about them in order to go into Iraq for one or more of the following: Christian Holy War, oil, racism against Middle-Easterners, finish what his father started, or being a Republican.
No-bid contracts happen all the time. They are always given to favored companies -- this is not corruption in the legal sense. It is standard fair. What is illegal is also standard fair and has nothing to do with Haliburton or no-bid contracts -- mainly $1 million towels, etc.
So, during Katrina's aftermatch in New Orleans, Bush should have built a time machine, gone back in time, and chosen someone to head FEMA who would violate the law by entering New rleans before a state of emergency was declared?
Then I really can't help you. Tice set himself up as an enemy of the President. The OP said they believed him, but not the President. How was my response nonsensical?
How are the number of whistleblowers or how the Presidency views them relevant? What makes the media call those who injure the Presidency whistleblowers, while those who help the Presidency are called leakers?
I said nothing about talk shows, though I like them too. I do receive a nice, traditional AM news station where I live.
Name a "presidential scandal" and I will tell you what I recall of the TV coverage. They report pure rumor as fact. It's like they have the same sources as Capitol Hill Blue.
Read the post I responded to for context.
The news media that lies nearly every time I watch it. It's easy to ignore the lies when they are what you want to hear. Ironically, after Bush leaves office and all of the kicking and screaming are done, the historical perspective will likely see him as just another President, unpopular from day one with an overactive press eager to demonize him for things every other President has done.
The news media claims Bush knew there were no WMDs in Iraq. Barring an admission from him, this can not be seen as credible. No-bid contracts have always gone to companies that those in power liked for whatever reason -- procurement issues like this happen in even the smallest towns in America, a fact glanced over by the news media. I suppose you expected Bush to run into flooded New Orleans and rescue people himself. What was it he should have personally done? The news media certainly doesn't seem to think that the municipal or state governments had any duty there. In fact, FEMA is blamed for being too late, even when they are not permitted to enter the area until the Governor (or other body with appropriate power) declares a state of emergency.
Ironically, if Clinton had done a better job, 9/11 would probably not have happened (though the Republicans in Congress can be blamed somewhat for distracting him with investigations)and Bush's approval ratings would never have gone much beyond the dismal numbers they were when he took office.
Treason requires conspiring with an enemy. This could be considered Sedition. Nonetheless, he is considered a whistle-blower in the mainstream press. Why wasn't Rove called a whistle-blower too?
How old are you? Do you know anything about the history, even as recently as Clinton, of Presidencies doing things to the American people that are less than favorable? If you really want to play the petty partisan argument game, keep in mind what the great progressive Presidents in America have done: Lincoln, F. R. Roosevelt, Kennedy, and Johnson
The bottom line is that anyone who leaks national security secrets should be punished to the full extent of the law.
I took a shower this morning, but thanks for your concern. I suppose you think Clinton was squeaky clean?
Why do you so readilly believe the news media then? I almost never watch TV news, but favor the radio instead. Whenever I do watch TV news, I am always shocked at how slanted or just inaccurate their stories are.
Wake up. The OP was about the news media and was quite accurate on every count.
Of course you will. Disbelieve whatever the President says and believe whatever his enemies say.
Everything is legal in the absence of a law prohibiting it. What this has to do with Gitmo, I have no idea. The two are not at all tangential.
Apple knows I listen to Liberace, Mariah Carey, and Billy Ocean!
The economist attitude toward this would be that you are effectively being paid, since your bill is lower because of it. If every carrier does it, then those that don't will be at a disadvantage, earn below normal returns, lose investors, and go bankrupt.
From the ethical/legal standpoint, it is quite a non-issue. Phone records have never been sacred. If I were someone concerned with privacy, I would care a lot more about things like the Google cookie that doesn't expire until 2038 and allows them to track what I search for and which of the returned hits I visit.
I didn't say give. I said sell.
There were some current (recent 2.6 kernel with XFS, JFS, possibly Reiser4, etc) benchmarks done on highend servers (or at least something with drives a few steps up from the CompUSA weekly special), especially if anyone wants to see Linux succeed in the enterprise.
I will sell my phone records for $110.
Yeah. Those assholes are all concerned with details like no one watching the show. Though I do like Futurama, I have never known of anyone beyond Slashdot who did too.