Things like RTCW, Enemy Territory, Doom *.*, Quake *.*, UT *.*, America's Army and many more already run natively on Linux. We know it. He knows it. So don't even ignore him.
I have no idea why you think that the "webtop" was on the rise. Sure, I know some web applications, but on the Desktop? However, if you want to do cross-platform GUI and network programming, why not use things like Java and wxWidgets?
Wake up! Debian doesn't even have a GUI in the default install, and it consumes only 250 megabytes of disk space. Of course you can install gigabytes of additional software from the (currently) 7 CDs if you want.
So what you're complaining about is that the temptation to install additional software is too great. I can't help you with this problem, though. If I knew how to fight the temptation, my Gentoo/usr partition (without Portage) wouldn't require 3.6GB.:o)
This still doesn't fix the problem of games under linux, unless someone's managed to port DirectX 9 and hardware-accelerated drivers for the major graphics cards...
Ahem, 4 insightful for having no clue that both Nvidia and ATI have started providing Linux drivers for quite some time? That Matrox is supported by MESA's own drivers? That UT, UT2003, UT2004, America's Army and all id games have been ported to Linux? That there even are open source high-res OpenGL versions of Doom for Linux (and Windows) even though the original Doom used 8-bit 320x200 software rendering)? Well, ok...
As for DirectX being ported to Linux, winex is doing this, but for native apps developers can simply use SDL and write games that are 100% portable across an incredible range of OSes.
There are original Linux binaries from id software (somewhere on ftp.idsoftware.com), however I greatly recommend that you install this enhanced port instead, which works just fine on my machine. On Gentoo Linux you can simply type
It is ironic, but that's owed to the Bushies. I mean, imprisoning people for years without even charging them of a crime (Guantanamo Bay etc.); giving the government the right to find out which books someone bought at the bookstore (and at the same time being allowed to force the bookstore owners to shut up about it), these things sounds pretty fascist and undemocratic to me.
This is primarily due the fact that people vote primarily for "political parties" during state-wide elections, and during city council elections they vote for "people". So one charismatic (or proven) candidate can totally change the outcome.
True, but even in the election for the EU parliament, the Greens (which are one of the small parties with at most 10% otherwise) scored 40% of votes in some districts of Munich. So Munich citizens do have different political views than people from other parts of Bavaria, on the average.
I think christians in germany should write to the CSU and ask what part of christian theology conflicts with linux.
They are against it because they claim it will cause a lot of difficulties and harm the economy (both sound like FUD, but well...). Even they wouldn't be so ridiculous (yes, they have a talent for being ridiculous) and claim that Linux was "unchristian". They obviously don't mind that Bill Gates is an atheist. But so is Linus Torvalds.;)
Trying not to sound to troll-ish, but why was the Christian group the only group to say nay to this? Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, correct? Are they saying they support being locked into an operating system and helping a monopoly? I'd think they would be jumping for this...And hell, the philosiphy behind linux is one of sharing and helping your fellows!
Nonsense! Linux vs. Windows has nothing to do with religion. Oh, wait...
2,000 Euro is quite a hefty sum to consider when "No decision" would have meant no upgrade (stick with the current set of computers)
Aha... You're not only a troll, but also grossly non-informed. First, their machines are now mostly running NT 4, for which Microsoft no longer gives support, not even security updates. Then, a lot of their applications are no longer up to the task and require a complete redesign, and these costs are included in the 30 million. You could write Windows apps, or you can write Linux apps for about the same amount, it doesn't matter. If the vendors are smart, they design their new programs portable from the ground up anyway. So, no, just continuing to use the old "junk" until it falls apart is not an option for a responsible city administration.
And then, Microsoft's offer would have been costlier, until they offered massive rebates just to keep Linux out of this prestige project. I'm glad they didn't fall to this anti-trust-worthy trick which would've just allowed Microsoft to increase Munich's degree of dependency, and consequently raise the prices for later deals accordingly.
This sum includes hardware + license costs for the servers as well as license costs for specialized applications! As a part of the latter license costs, it includes application migration costs, which would've been unavoidable with Microsoft in the long run also (a lot of applications are still DOS-based).
At the same time, the migration is expected to enhance productivity in the same way that a smaller pilot project did. For example, every user will have all necessary data/applications available from any PC they chose to log in from, and the application UIs get a complete productivity-enhancing redesign. Many tasks that involved complex handling of multiple applications at the same time will be streamlined into a single convenient user interface.
Given all this, 2300 Euro per workplace are quite cheap. It's a bit naive to think that they could've just ordered a bunch of new Dell machines with MS Works on them for 400 a piece.
-The Social Democrats got basically vaporized by the Christian Democrats in the European elections last week.
While the Social Democrats suffered devastating losses, both conservative parties lost seats too! The real winners are the small parties, in particular the Greens (who more than doubled their seats) and the PDS (who get +6 seats to a total of 7 since they managed to enter the EUP as a parliamentary fraction).
Of course the Greens are mostly anti-technological progress.
Really? Who is pushing alternate energies, wind power, solar technology etc.? Whose electorate is the most likely to be "online" (78 percent)? Or do you mean their hostility towards a 60s technology that turned out to have incalculable risks and where still no one knows where to put the highly radioactive waste with a half-life of ten thousands of years? That cost US government and population at least half a trillion dollars?
Or is it their refusal to allow corporations like Monsanto insane profits (from bio-patents) from increased use of pesticides (by e.g. marketing herbicide-resistant genetically engineered maize, and plants that produce pesticides themselves)?
Currently not. But that is likely to change at the next national election. The CDU/CSI is likely to win in two years
You mean they're likely to win a lot of seats. Still they will hardly be able to form a government on their own, forcing them to form a coalition with a smaller parliamentary fraction. If the percentages are sufficient, they will team up with the liberals (FDP). They could form a "great coalition" with the SPD, but this is unlikely if the SPD continues to draw the wrath of the populace. A third combination could be CDU/CSU + the Greens. However, it would already be hard to reconcile the CDU with the Greens. The CSU is so strongly opposed to them that they likely will not want to participate in such a coalition.
Just consider that Michael Glos from the CSU has called the Greens a bunch of ticks, which happens to be the same word that German neonazis use for anti-fascists (punks).
and I doubt very much that the CDU has any more sense when it comes to OSS.
The CSU is extremely hostile to OSS and Linux in particular, and chumming up with Microsoft in a disgusting way. However, this hostility is not shared by the CDU, which doesn't currently bother about the "OS wars". Still, when in doubt, they will value industry (aka big corporation) interests higher than OSS interests any time, since in conservative school of thought, when a corporation makes huge profits, it's good for the economy (what else?). But then, Schröder's "Neue Mitte" (New Center - of the political spectrum) is no better.
Still, Siemens supportssoftware patents, and you'd be a damned fool to think that they actually care about the OSS scene any more than they can profit from it.
Already done. The USA Patriot act could be interpreted in this way. Spammers interfere with commerce, which is considered an act of terrorism. Technically speaking, spammers could get the death penalty.
Doesn't the same apply to people who call for a boycott of the music industry?
The spam is domestic in that the *order to send it* comes from the US and that the fradulent services and defective goods they're selling are being sold by Americans to Americans. The actual spam, however, is coming from zombied pc's or dirty isp's that reside outside the US. Domestic orders / foreign delivery, you see?
An estimated 30% of spam mails are sent out from worm- and virus-infected (Windows) PCs, and this ought to be an international phenomenon.
You missed my point. I simply was agreeing that trying is better than nothing at all.
Trying is not a good substitute for thinking. So "Let's try and discuss this": ok. But "Let's try and just make this the new law, because something needs to be done": certainly not. I conclude from your own critical remarks that you will agree with me.
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Things like RTCW, Enemy Territory, Doom *.*, Quake *.*, UT *.*, America's Army and many more already run natively on Linux. We know it. He knows it. So don't even ignore him.
I have no idea why you think that the "webtop" was on the rise. Sure, I know some web applications, but on the Desktop? However, if you want to do cross-platform GUI and network programming, why not use things like Java and wxWidgets?
Wake up! Debian doesn't even have a GUI in the default install, and it consumes only 250 megabytes of disk space. Of course you can install gigabytes of additional software from the (currently) 7 CDs if you want.
So what you're complaining about is that the temptation to install additional software is too great. I can't help you with this problem, though. If I knew how to fight the temptation, my Gentoo /usr partition (without Portage) wouldn't require 3.6GB. :o)
A FreeDOS bootdisk can be useful for flashing BIOSes. But of course being forced to install things like that is called bloat.
Ahem, 4 insightful for having no clue that both Nvidia and ATI have started providing Linux drivers for quite some time? That Matrox is supported by MESA's own drivers? That UT, UT2003, UT2004, America's Army and all id games have been ported to Linux? That there even are open source high-res OpenGL versions of Doom for Linux (and Windows) even though the original Doom used 8-bit 320x200 software rendering)? Well, ok...
As for DirectX being ported to Linux, winex is doing this, but for native apps developers can simply use SDL and write games that are 100% portable across an incredible range of OSes.
It is ironic, but that's owed to the Bushies. I mean, imprisoning people for years without even charging them of a crime (Guantanamo Bay etc.); giving the government the right to find out which books someone bought at the bookstore (and at the same time being allowed to force the bookstore owners to shut up about it), these things sounds pretty fascist and undemocratic to me.
True, but even in the election for the EU parliament, the Greens (which are one of the small parties with at most 10% otherwise) scored 40% of votes in some districts of Munich. So Munich citizens do have different political views than people from other parts of Bavaria, on the average.
They are against it because they claim it will cause a lot of difficulties and harm the economy (both sound like FUD, but well...). Even they wouldn't be so ridiculous (yes, they have a talent for being ridiculous) and claim that Linux was "unchristian". They obviously don't mind that Bill Gates is an atheist. But so is Linus Torvalds. ;)
I don't like the CDU much either, but the CSU is way to the right of them.
Nonsense! Linux vs. Windows has nothing to do with religion. Oh, wait...
Aha... You're not only a troll, but also grossly non-informed. First, their machines are now mostly running NT 4, for which Microsoft no longer gives support, not even security updates. Then, a lot of their applications are no longer up to the task and require a complete redesign, and these costs are included in the 30 million. You could write Windows apps, or you can write Linux apps for about the same amount, it doesn't matter. If the vendors are smart, they design their new programs portable from the ground up anyway. So, no, just continuing to use the old "junk" until it falls apart is not an option for a responsible city administration.
And then, Microsoft's offer would have been costlier, until they offered massive rebates just to keep Linux out of this prestige project. I'm glad they didn't fall to this anti-trust-worthy trick which would've just allowed Microsoft to increase Munich's degree of dependency, and consequently raise the prices for later deals accordingly.
This sum includes hardware + license costs for the servers as well as license costs for specialized applications! As a part of the latter license costs, it includes application migration costs, which would've been unavoidable with Microsoft in the long run also (a lot of applications are still DOS-based).
At the same time, the migration is expected to enhance productivity in the same way that a smaller pilot project did. For example, every user will have all necessary data/applications available from any PC they chose to log in from, and the application UIs get a complete productivity-enhancing redesign. Many tasks that involved complex handling of multiple applications at the same time will be streamlined into a single convenient user interface.
Given all this, 2300 Euro per workplace are quite cheap. It's a bit naive to think that they could've just ordered a bunch of new Dell machines with MS Works on them for 400 a piece.
While the Social Democrats suffered devastating losses, both conservative parties lost seats too! The real winners are the small parties, in particular the Greens (who more than doubled their seats) and the PDS (who get +6 seats to a total of 7 since they managed to enter the EUP as a parliamentary fraction).
Really? Who is pushing alternate energies, wind power, solar technology etc.? Whose electorate is the most likely to be "online" (78 percent)? Or do you mean their hostility towards a 60s technology that turned out to have incalculable risks and where still no one knows where to put the highly radioactive waste with a half-life of ten thousands of years? That cost US government and population at least half a trillion dollars?
Or is it their refusal to allow corporations like Monsanto insane profits (from bio-patents) from increased use of pesticides (by e.g. marketing herbicide-resistant genetically engineered maize, and plants that produce pesticides themselves)?
You mean they're likely to win a lot of seats. Still they will hardly be able to form a government on their own, forcing them to form a coalition with a smaller parliamentary fraction. If the percentages are sufficient, they will team up with the liberals (FDP). They could form a "great coalition" with the SPD, but this is unlikely if the SPD continues to draw the wrath of the populace. A third combination could be CDU/CSU + the Greens. However, it would already be hard to reconcile the CDU with the Greens. The CSU is so strongly opposed to them that they likely will not want to participate in such a coalition.
Just consider that Michael Glos from the CSU has called the Greens a bunch of ticks, which happens to be the same word that German neonazis use for anti-fascists (punks).
The CSU is extremely hostile to OSS and Linux in particular, and chumming up with Microsoft in a disgusting way. However, this hostility is not shared by the CDU, which doesn't currently bother about the "OS wars". Still, when in doubt, they will value industry (aka big corporation) interests higher than OSS interests any time, since in conservative school of thought, when a corporation makes huge profits, it's good for the economy (what else?). But then, Schröder's "Neue Mitte" (New Center - of the political spectrum) is no better.
Still, Siemens supports software patents, and you'd be a damned fool to think that they actually care about the OSS scene any more than they can profit from it.
This sounds so MI2... exploding sunglasses and stuff. People will love it. Just make sure you get rid of that DVD before the eight hours are over.
Hi, my name is Frank Parts. I served as a Private under General Error, Colonel Panic, Major Mistake and Corporal Chaos.
You can't afford it? It's free as in "free beer"!!1!11!1
Doesn't the same apply to people who call for a boycott of the music industry?
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free
They sound less harmless on everything2.
An estimated 30% of spam mails are sent out from worm- and virus-infected (Windows) PCs, and this ought to be an international phenomenon.
You probably mean this one.
Trying is not a good substitute for thinking. So "Let's try and discuss this": ok. But "Let's try and just make this the new law, because something needs to be done": certainly not. I conclude from your own critical remarks that you will agree with me.