All that happened during the fall of the Roman Empire is that the elites lost their city. The life for an average person in Italy changed not one iota.
Thats not true at all. With the collapse of the sociuety and the later pillaging that took place because the armies were not there, the knowledge repository was lost. People lost the knowledge of how the sewer systems, aqueducts, and water systems all worked, and they eventually stopped working.
Romans at the turn of the century had hot/cold indoor plumbing and indoor toilets. That level of technology was not recreated until late 19th century as was not common until the middle 20th. You cannot claim that the only thing lost was a city of the rich.
That's just a few things. While I agree we need to make changes, things are much better than they were 500 years ago.
Yes, but things were also far better in the Roman emire than they were 500 years ago. They also had indoor plumbing, sewage, heating, roads (no electricity thought). They also had free education. Their only limitation was the level of scientific discovery at the time however the amount of invention created at that time was nothing short of incredible.
500 years ago was long after the fall of the Roman empire. That period after the fall was called the dark ages as religion took over and science stagnated. It it also contained a number of population reducing plagues, as much of the sanitation knowlege held by the Romans was lost by then.
So yeah, life was great for the upper 5-10% of society who were the elite. Everybody else feed and clothed them.
And how is this is different from America where 5-10% are rich and get premium health care, everyone else gets crap and has to work at a shitty job their entire lives?
I remember when the first proof of an extra-solar planet was found, and people were amazed. Now we're only mildly fased by a planet whose orbit is probably one in a million.
Actually I was more amazed that other people were amazed. If you think about how many galaxies there are and how many suns there are in each, there must be countless billions of other planets out there.
The only amazing part is the clever techniques used to be able to derive the existence of the planet.
What if the sun was turned on it's axis 180 degrees (turning it upside down). It would appear that the planet is therefore orbiting in the wrong direction.
Could this perhaps been the effect of another star passing nearby and changing the axis of the star rather than flipping the orbit of the planet?
If that actually happened I doubt that there would be a planet left intact to orbit the sun.
It's not even comforting. I hate the sound of harps, considering to spend eternity listen to that junk... What was that qualification list again to avoid it? Lie, steal, cheat and listen to heavy metal music?
Dude - its heaven. You can have Hendrix on an electric harp, setting it on fire and playing it with his tongue if you like.
To be fair, testing is now how you verify that a program is bug free.
Thats part of it, there are others including visual inspection.
(It's basically impossible; because using testing to prove correctness relative to a spec, which is what we're talking about here, would require running a test with every single possible input.
My point is I've seen programmers with the attitude 'its impossible to verify that this is correct so I'm not going to bother testing'. That is what I'm calling bullshit. It is perfectly possible to use a combination of testing techniques to be reasonably certain that the code is correct and works as intended and required.
Popular? As in 'popular' among the ruling class, the 5-10% of the population who didn't spend all of their time from age 10 on in the fields, who actually had enough free time and money to be educated? Up until the industrial revolution, there wasn't anything 'popular' except working in the fields.
Actually most every Roman citizen had at least one slave to do the work for them. Also every Roman citizen regardless of class was encouraged to visit the baths where they would not only socialize, but have access to many written texts of literature and science.
Even if you were completely poor, food was always free to every Roman citizen. Most every Roman child was also formally educated and could read, write and speak eloquently. Gymnastics and fighting techniques were also taught.
In many ways, life was better in the latter Roman empire than it is today. However once the Roman empire collapsed, life reverted to as you describe.
Theorem says is that for any proof technique, there will be some program that confounds it.
Goes beyond proof programs. My now ex software lead wrote code so badly that even though it technically worked, commercial lines of code counters would often crash trying to parse it. Or if it didn't outright crash it would just spit out zero lines of code.
So yea, no matter what you technique you use there will be instances where it will break down. Doesn't mean the proof technique is wrong though.
why does it take 6 months for Barack Obama to choose a dog, but he's wants to cram stimulus and healthcare legislation through without anyone reading or understanding it?
How exactly is it Obama's fault that you are too stupid to read and understand something?
PowerPC is still available and in use for space designs. Mainly because you can shut off the cache and still get decent performance - the cache is typically the weak point for radiation tolerance.
Please tell me the societal benefit of knowing that serial killers and child molesters are typically white males. Other than for FBI profiling (where these types of statistics are actually useful), does it make sense to public education campaign to teach people to watch out for white males and to keep your kids away from them? No.
Profiling has extremely limited benefit. All it really does is to unjustly alienate racial or cultural demographics and help perpetuate the cycle or racism and bigotry.
It's only a big deal to certain programming groups and applications. The programming I do cannot use templates so generic programming is useless to me and removal of concepts is not a big deal at all.
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People still watch tube tvs?
Well the first two are from Woodstock by Joni Mitchell, but I think you ad libbed the last one.
All that happened during the fall of the Roman Empire is that the elites lost their city. The life for an average person in Italy changed not one iota.
Thats not true at all. With the collapse of the sociuety and the later pillaging that took place because the armies were not there, the knowledge repository was lost. People lost the knowledge of how the sewer systems, aqueducts, and water systems all worked, and they eventually stopped working.
Romans at the turn of the century had hot/cold indoor plumbing and indoor toilets. That level of technology was not recreated until late 19th century as was not common until the middle 20th. You cannot claim that the only thing lost was a city of the rich.
That's just a few things. While I agree we need to make changes, things are much better than they were 500 years ago.
Yes, but things were also far better in the Roman emire than they were 500 years ago. They also had indoor plumbing, sewage, heating, roads (no electricity thought). They also had free education. Their only limitation was the level of scientific discovery at the time however the amount of invention created at that time was nothing short of incredible.
500 years ago was long after the fall of the Roman empire. That period after the fall was called the dark ages as religion took over and science stagnated. It it also contained a number of population reducing plagues, as much of the sanitation knowlege held by the Romans was lost by then.
So yeah, life was great for the upper 5-10% of society who were the elite. Everybody else feed and clothed them.
And how is this is different from America where 5-10% are rich and get premium health care, everyone else gets crap and has to work at a shitty job their entire lives?
I remember when the first proof of an extra-solar planet was found, and people were amazed. Now we're only mildly fased by a planet whose orbit is probably one in a million.
Actually I was more amazed that other people were amazed. If you think about how many galaxies there are and how many suns there are in each, there must be countless billions of other planets out there.
The only amazing part is the clever techniques used to be able to derive the existence of the planet.
What if the sun was turned on it's axis 180 degrees (turning it upside down). It would appear that the planet is therefore orbiting in the wrong direction. Could this perhaps been the effect of another star passing nearby and changing the axis of the star rather than flipping the orbit of the planet?
If that actually happened I doubt that there would be a planet left intact to orbit the sun.
or if it will end up like our moon in a locked orbit that never changes the side facing the planet?
Our moon always faces us since it has no molten core - when it solidified it did so with the more dense side facing us due to the earths gravity.
Also the moon is not in a locked orbit but gradually slowing down and pulling away from us.
It's not even comforting. I hate the sound of harps, considering to spend eternity listen to that junk... What was that qualification list again to avoid it? Lie, steal, cheat and listen to heavy metal music?
Dude - its heaven. You can have Hendrix on an electric harp, setting it on fire and playing it with his tongue if you like.
To be fair, testing is now how you verify that a program is bug free.
Thats part of it, there are others including visual inspection.
(It's basically impossible; because using testing to prove correctness relative to a spec, which is what we're talking about here, would require running a test with every single possible input.
My point is I've seen programmers with the attitude 'its impossible to verify that this is correct so I'm not going to bother testing'. That is what I'm calling bullshit. It is perfectly possible to use a combination of testing techniques to be reasonably certain that the code is correct and works as intended and required.
Popular? As in 'popular' among the ruling class, the 5-10% of the population who didn't spend all of their time from age 10 on in the fields, who actually had enough free time and money to be educated? Up until the industrial revolution, there wasn't anything 'popular' except working in the fields.
Actually most every Roman citizen had at least one slave to do the work for them. Also every Roman citizen regardless of class was encouraged to visit the baths where they would not only socialize, but have access to many written texts of literature and science.
Even if you were completely poor, food was always free to every Roman citizen. Most every Roman child was also formally educated and could read, write and speak eloquently. Gymnastics and fighting techniques were also taught.
In many ways, life was better in the latter Roman empire than it is today. However once the Roman empire collapsed, life reverted to as you describe.
Theorem says is that for any proof technique, there will be some program that confounds it.
Goes beyond proof programs. My now ex software lead wrote code so badly that even though it technically worked, commercial lines of code counters would often crash trying to parse it. Or if it didn't outright crash it would just spit out zero lines of code.
So yea, no matter what you technique you use there will be instances where it will break down. Doesn't mean the proof technique is wrong though.
no. another theorem tells that you can never verify that a code is bug free (it may be bug free, but you cannot prove it)
That is sheer bullshit spread by software coders too stupid and inexperienced to be able to write good code and test it properly.
why does it take 6 months for Barack Obama to choose a dog, but he's wants to cram stimulus and healthcare legislation through without anyone reading or understanding it?
How exactly is it Obama's fault that you are too stupid to read and understand something?
No, its actually mainly a radiation issue. If you tried to bring a Core2 to the space station it would pretty much crash before you got into orbit.
PowerPC is still available and in use for space designs. Mainly because you can shut off the cache and still get decent performance - the cache is typically the weak point for radiation tolerance.
Please tell me the societal benefit of knowing that serial killers and child molesters are typically white males. Other than for FBI profiling (where these types of statistics are actually useful), does it make sense to public education campaign to teach people to watch out for white males and to keep your kids away from them? No.
Profiling has extremely limited benefit. All it really does is to unjustly alienate racial or cultural demographics and help perpetuate the cycle or racism and bigotry.
Science during the Roman empire was very popular. The knowledge, inventions, progress, vast libraries etc were unparallelled.
Science only stopped when the empire fell and religion was allowed to rule.
Do people of different origin have different chances of being intelligent, criminal, athletic, disloyal, etc.? Statistics reveal that they clearly do.
Since you quoted bullshit statistics, here are some real statistics that are easily verifiable:
Child molesters are overwhelmingly white and male
Serial killers are overwhelmingly white and male
Drunk drivers are overwhelmingly white and male
Speeders are overwhelmingly white and male in their 20s
So now that these inequalities have been exposed, what possible benefit does it give to society as a whole?
How come I don't learn English in school even though it's my country's official language ?
If you are talking about the US, it has no official language.
Because we do not do generic programming. There is no need of it. There is no need to go beyond the capabilities of a simple macro for the stuff I do.
as it is, I think C++ is pretty much dead as it is
So what in your opinion is a viable C++ replacement?
Then they should have released it under BSD.
If any one feature could ensure the continuation of C++ as a language it would be a standardized GUI library.
That would be OpenGL..
It's only a big deal to certain programming groups and applications. The programming I do cannot use templates so generic programming is useless to me and removal of concepts is not a big deal at all.