We need a space station that can be used for construction, even if it is only rudimentary, so we can start building the infrastructure necessary to use space travel for more than photo ops.
So you want to build a construction station that is capable of building more infrastructure. What do you mean by this? Is it going to build spaceships or more space stations that can build even more space stations? Do you know what you are talking about?
Except that actually most ISS reboosts are done by Progress, and the Shuttle in fact is pretty useless for them.
This statement is completely untrue - you are misreading the quotes you provide.
The sole reason that Progress does most of the boosts is that there are more Progress visits than shuttle visits. It is NOT because the shuttle boosts are 'useless'. Whatever visiting spacecraft happens to be attached performs the reboost procedure before leaving. Progress and shuttle have approximately the same capability to boost the station.
Unless I'm misinterpreting you, you seem to be claiming that the product will be cheaper because someone can get more of a market share.
No thats not what I said. What I said was if someone does make it cheaper (ie finds a way to cut costs) and sell for cheaper they will capture more of the market.
Lol.. You mean your damn phone bill wasn't real world enough? The connection fee was assigned to the telecoms, not the consumer but the telecoms just passed it on as a compliance fee directly to the consumer. I'm not sure how much more "real world" you can get with that.
Perfect example. I got pissed off with the phone fees so I switched to Vonage. They offer better service, more reliable and cheaper. There will always be competition that springs up if the price by a near monopoly gets too high.
Another real world example of this is imports with tariffs
Yea, that is Republican protectionism which is proven to not work. Agreements like NAFTA and the free trade in the EU remove these concepts. Eventually this will be worldwide.
Seriously, how many companies do you know that have shifted labor to Mexico, India, or China or some third world country that automatically lowered their prices to reflect the savings to them. None that I know of unless it was a later savings due to competition which made similar moves to decrease the costs of production.
Do you really think a made in USA t-shirt can be sold for $2 without a loss? Come on.
Do you have a thing against software programmers? Seriously, the comments was made to get you to pay attention
No but from my experience software programmers often dont have the social skills to communicate properly in a discussion. They resort to name calling and condescention instead of explaining the facts. They often do this to distract from the fact that they are making an argument about a topic they have no real clue about. You are sadly mistaken if you think name calling is the only way to get someones attention.
I think you are fundamentally missing the point that US labour costs minimum $8/hr while labour in China is about 5cents per day. For labour intensive production like textiles and manufacturing, you simply cannot compete. Many import tarrifs are designed to help make this more balanced (but I generally disagree with any sorf of forced tariff). I cannot think of many forced fees that are not related to import protectionism issues, so in general I believe your argument is invalid.
First, tell me this, if it cost you $2 per product and you can sell 1000 for $4.00 a pop or 800 at $10.00 a pop, then which is more profit?
Ummm the 800??? Well if we are making up numbers to suit the argument, how about 1000 at $8 a pop or 800 at $10 a pop?
The only advantage to passing the savings on is to undercut the competition and sell more products at a higher profit.
I think that's what I said.
When everyone is effected at once, normal market forces won't apply any pressure and there is no advantage to passing savings on when it can be safely taken as profit. You simply can't argue against that.
Can you give a real world example?
Incidentally, based on your personal attacks and condescending attitude, you must be a software programmer.
That's how business works when there is an advantage to it.
No. Thats how it works with any company that reports to a board of directors that have public stock holders. The company ios forces by the shareholders to increase profits, and hte company will do what it must to do this. If the shareholders continually do not see returns on their stock price, they can pretty quickly vote out that board and in a new one.
If every car in the country went up in price by $2,000, then there is no incentive to absorb those costs because all your competition is at the same disadvantage.
You are talking about collusion which is illegal. The only way every car company would just accept this increase and not do anything is if they had a behind the scenes agreement. In the real world, the company with the highest profit margin would absorb those extra costs to keep the price the same. This would result in extra pressure on the others to cut costs. If they can't, they lose market share.
why would I pass the savings on to the consumer when the costs are artificially in place and all my competition has to pay more? All I have to do then is beat my competition's price slightly and pocket the remainder.
Umm.. ever work in business? Thats exactly how things work in business now.
And your point would be? If I dilute alcohol to the limits very of detection will it still get me drunk?
And if you disable a virus and put a very tiny amount in a vaccine, will that make you sick> No. But will it help train your immune system against it? Yes.
And what of the homoeopathic solutions which have been diluted to the point that they don't contain a single molecule of the original active ingredient?
If it is so diluted that it no longer contains the original material, then I agree that is likely crap. However a low dilution may work.
Er, what? We know how dogs detect those things. The chemical receptors in their noses aren't that difficult to study.
Look it up. They don't know how dogs can detect seizures before they occur, and they dont fully understand how they can smell on the order of one part per million.
Are you suggesting that a solution diluted until there are no measurable levels of any active ingredient has any effect beyond that of plain water?
Dogs can detect molecules on the order of a couple parts per million, far below our level of detection. They can also smell cancer, and can tell the difference between different kinds of internal cancer just by smelling the skin. They have also been shown to be able to predict seizures, and hypoglycemic attacks.
Most of what dogs can do we dont know how they do it because we cant detect what they can. Just because we cannot detect low levels, doesn't mean they are not there nor have any effect.
I do not agree that the Space Shuttle's heading to the space station qualifies to be on Slashdot's front page and here's why:
This news is so much like yesterday...move on.
We've had decades of shuttle launches, that this is now routine.
Ok, then the following topics should also not be slashdot news as they have also happened so many times before it is routine
- any announcement of a new operating system - this has been happening every few years since the 1980s
- any announcement of a new coding language - same reason as for operating system
- any announcement of a new phone/ipod/crackberry/whatever. This also happens too frequently to care about anymore
- any virus attack. This happens all the time and will happen again
- any news story related to infringement of personal freedoms. People who think they are being spied upon will always think that no matter what happens. Most other people dont care.
I think I agree. Patents should not be allowed to be used to hinder like Toyota is doing. There needs to be a way for patents to be arbitrated and while still protecting the inventor's rights and investments, not allow them to use patents to prevent others from competing.
Normally I am completely against the idea of patents. The reason is that people patent the most obvious and stupid stuff, then simply wait for someone else to 'invent' the same thing to sue the crap out of them. In these cases patents are just employment mechanisms for lawyers and hinder ingenuity and competition.
However that's NOT what Toyota is doing. They are actually putting their patents to use in real products, not just keeping them as virtual ideas on paper. If Toyota is spending the money to actually work out the problems, make the technology better, then patenting it is the right thing to do.
Toyota is actually using the patent system CORRECTLY - to protect their investment. Good for them.
In the end, it just turns out to be a bunch of people scamming others so they get rich. So now can we get off this delusion that the owners of the pirate bay are heroes somehow out to protect our rights in the face of evil corporations?
Yes it's stealing, and no its not ok. But I'm not paying for crap.
However every other piece of software I use I pay for. I don't download movies or music. So on the thief scale, I'm pretty far down there as compared to all the other thieves that use bittorrent or piratebay.
Yeah, that's really a great stand against shoddy software you're making there. Either that or you're just cheap.
Or choice number 3: I'm forced to use it because like it or not, the majority of the tools I have to use only run under Windows. And before anyone asks - I pay for all the software applications / tools I use.
But I really don't feel it is worth price difference.
Well I dont feel any version of Windows is worth the price period. THe last OS I bought was OS/2 because it worked. I've never paid a cent for any version of Windows and will not until they make a quality product that stops crashing.
Supposedly, the job I'm offering is why they went to school, but they aren't even qualified to begin. So what did they do for 6 years?
Agree completely. And not only that, I've also noticed the following out of recent grads:
1) They expect ridiculously high salaries. Often they expect salaries that are on par with someone that has been working there for 10 years
2) They are upset at being hired in at a 'junior' title, even though all grads are hired at that level
3) They expect rapid promotions. Instead of just doing the work and being recognized for it, they sit there and bitch why they haven't been promoted to more senior levels, even though they have done nothing to show they can handle the increased responsibility.
4) Refuse to listen to more senior people. People who have been around for a while have practical experience that new grads simply do not have. However the new grads insist their way is the absolute best way ever and refuse to listen to any other way of implementing things.
5) Arrogance. See first four points.
So yea based on the recent 'talent' I've seen, I agree with the CEOs point of view in the article.
From what I see California is probably the most desirable place in the continental US to live. I seriously don't see what everyone has against it. Seriously, please explain what is so wrong with California that is different than any other state.
Even though Obama is taking the country downhill faster than Carter...
I think you misread the article. It's about Obama approving a plan to take *down* the country, as in knocking abandoned houses down with bulldozers, not take it *downhill*.
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We need a space station that can be used for construction, even if it is only rudimentary, so we can start building the infrastructure necessary to use space travel for more than photo ops.
So you want to build a construction station that is capable of building more infrastructure. What do you mean by this? Is it going to build spaceships or more space stations that can build even more space stations? Do you know what you are talking about?
Except that actually most ISS reboosts are done by Progress, and the Shuttle in fact is pretty useless for them.
This statement is completely untrue - you are misreading the quotes you provide.
The sole reason that Progress does most of the boosts is that there are more Progress visits than shuttle visits. It is NOT because the shuttle boosts are 'useless'. Whatever visiting spacecraft happens to be attached performs the reboost procedure before leaving. Progress and shuttle have approximately the same capability to boost the station.
Unless I'm misinterpreting you, you seem to be claiming that the product will be cheaper because someone can get more of a market share.
No thats not what I said. What I said was if someone does make it cheaper (ie finds a way to cut costs) and sell for cheaper they will capture more of the market.
Lol.. You mean your damn phone bill wasn't real world enough? The connection fee was assigned to the telecoms, not the consumer but the telecoms just passed it on as a compliance fee directly to the consumer. I'm not sure how much more "real world" you can get with that.
Perfect example. I got pissed off with the phone fees so I switched to Vonage. They offer better service, more reliable and cheaper. There will always be competition that springs up if the price by a near monopoly gets too high.
Another real world example of this is imports with tariffs
Yea, that is Republican protectionism which is proven to not work. Agreements like NAFTA and the free trade in the EU remove these concepts. Eventually this will be worldwide.
Seriously, how many companies do you know that have shifted labor to Mexico, India, or China or some third world country that automatically lowered their prices to reflect the savings to them. None that I know of unless it was a later savings due to competition which made similar moves to decrease the costs of production.
Do you really think a made in USA t-shirt can be sold for $2 without a loss? Come on.
Do you have a thing against software programmers? Seriously, the comments was made to get you to pay attention
No but from my experience software programmers often dont have the social skills to communicate properly in a discussion. They resort to name calling and condescention instead of explaining the facts. They often do this to distract from the fact that they are making an argument about a topic they have no real clue about. You are sadly mistaken if you think name calling is the only way to get someones attention.
I think you are fundamentally missing the point that US labour costs minimum $8/hr while labour in China is about 5cents per day. For labour intensive production like textiles and manufacturing, you simply cannot compete. Many import tarrifs are designed to help make this more balanced (but I generally disagree with any sorf of forced tariff). I cannot think of many forced fees that are not related to import protectionism issues, so in general I believe your argument is invalid.
First, tell me this, if it cost you $2 per product and you can sell 1000 for $4.00 a pop or 800 at $10.00 a pop, then which is more profit?
Ummm the 800??? Well if we are making up numbers to suit the argument, how about 1000 at $8 a pop or 800 at $10 a pop?
The only advantage to passing the savings on is to undercut the competition and sell more products at a higher profit.
I think that's what I said.
When everyone is effected at once, normal market forces won't apply any pressure and there is no advantage to passing savings on when it can be safely taken as profit. You simply can't argue against that.
Can you give a real world example?
Incidentally, based on your personal attacks and condescending attitude, you must be a software programmer.
That's how business works when there is an advantage to it.
No. Thats how it works with any company that reports to a board of directors that have public stock holders. The company ios forces by the shareholders to increase profits, and hte company will do what it must to do this. If the shareholders continually do not see returns on their stock price, they can pretty quickly vote out that board and in a new one.
If every car in the country went up in price by $2,000, then there is no incentive to absorb those costs because all your competition is at the same disadvantage.
You are talking about collusion which is illegal. The only way every car company would just accept this increase and not do anything is if they had a behind the scenes agreement. In the real world, the company with the highest profit margin would absorb those extra costs to keep the price the same. This would result in extra pressure on the others to cut costs. If they can't, they lose market share.
why would I pass the savings on to the consumer when the costs are artificially in place and all my competition has to pay more? All I have to do then is beat my competition's price slightly and pocket the remainder.
Umm.. ever work in business? Thats exactly how things work in business now.
And your point would be? If I dilute alcohol to the limits very of detection will it still get me drunk?
And if you disable a virus and put a very tiny amount in a vaccine, will that make you sick> No. But will it help train your immune system against it? Yes.
And what of the homoeopathic solutions which have been diluted to the point that they don't contain a single molecule of the original active ingredient?
If it is so diluted that it no longer contains the original material, then I agree that is likely crap. However a low dilution may work.
Er, what? We know how dogs detect those things. The chemical receptors in their noses aren't that difficult to study.
Look it up. They don't know how dogs can detect seizures before they occur, and they dont fully understand how they can smell on the order of one part per million.
Are you suggesting that a solution diluted until there are no measurable levels of any active ingredient has any effect beyond that of plain water?
Dogs can detect molecules on the order of a couple parts per million, far below our level of detection. They can also smell cancer, and can tell the difference between different kinds of internal cancer just by smelling the skin. They have also been shown to be able to predict seizures, and hypoglycemic attacks.
Most of what dogs can do we dont know how they do it because we cant detect what they can. Just because we cannot detect low levels, doesn't mean they are not there nor have any effect.
Oh, and sticking needles into people can have an actual measurable effect. Therefore it's not homeopathic.
Are you implying homeopathic medicine has no effect on people? i.e. same as a placebo?
I do not agree that the Space Shuttle's heading to the space station qualifies to be on Slashdot's front page and here's why: This news is so much like yesterday...move on. We've had decades of shuttle launches, that this is now routine.
Ok, then the following topics should also not be slashdot news as they have also happened so many times before it is routine
- any announcement of a new operating system - this has been happening every few years since the 1980s
- any announcement of a new coding language - same reason as for operating system
- any announcement of a new phone/ipod/crackberry/whatever. This also happens too frequently to care about anymore
- any virus attack. This happens all the time and will happen again
- any news story related to infringement of personal freedoms. People who think they are being spied upon will always think that no matter what happens. Most other people dont care.
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I think I agree. Patents should not be allowed to be used to hinder like Toyota is doing. There needs to be a way for patents to be arbitrated and while still protecting the inventor's rights and investments, not allow them to use patents to prevent others from competing.
Normally I am completely against the idea of patents. The reason is that people patent the most obvious and stupid stuff, then simply wait for someone else to 'invent' the same thing to sue the crap out of them. In these cases patents are just employment mechanisms for lawyers and hinder ingenuity and competition.
However that's NOT what Toyota is doing. They are actually putting their patents to use in real products, not just keeping them as virtual ideas on paper. If Toyota is spending the money to actually work out the problems, make the technology better, then patenting it is the right thing to do.
Toyota is actually using the patent system CORRECTLY - to protect their investment. Good for them.
What was the scam, exactly? And were they "scamming" on behalf of the organizations they are donating all the money to?
What organizations? If you don't believe they are running off with most or all of the money, then you are either extremely naive or an idiot.
Why on earth you are modded insightful is beyond me.
Because I happen to be insightful. Very insightful actually. So insightful in fact that it is way beyond your level of understanding.
As usual AC, you completely miss the point of the comment.
In the end, it just turns out to be a bunch of people scamming others so they get rich. So now can we get off this delusion that the owners of the pirate bay are heroes somehow out to protect our rights in the face of evil corporations?
If XP SP3 is crashing for you, ur doin it wrong. You probably have a highly infested machine with malware that all borks it.
No, its simply a piece of shit. My machine is not infested and I dont have malware. Windows is simply built wrong, coded by idiots.
Yes it's stealing, and no its not ok. But I'm not paying for crap.
However every other piece of software I use I pay for. I don't download movies or music. So on the thief scale, I'm pretty far down there as compared to all the other thieves that use bittorrent or piratebay.
No its not a moral stand - don't be ridiculous I never said that.
I'm just not paying for crap.
Yeah, that's really a great stand against shoddy software you're making there. Either that or you're just cheap.
Or choice number 3: I'm forced to use it because like it or not, the majority of the tools I have to use only run under Windows. And before anyone asks - I pay for all the software applications / tools I use.
But I really don't feel it is worth price difference.
Well I dont feel any version of Windows is worth the price period. THe last OS I bought was OS/2 because it worked. I've never paid a cent for any version of Windows and will not until they make a quality product that stops crashing.
Currently running XP Professional SP3.
Supposedly, the job I'm offering is why they went to school, but they aren't even qualified to begin. So what did they do for 6 years?
Agree completely. And not only that, I've also noticed the following out of recent grads:
1) They expect ridiculously high salaries. Often they expect salaries that are on par with someone that has been working there for 10 years
2) They are upset at being hired in at a 'junior' title, even though all grads are hired at that level
3) They expect rapid promotions. Instead of just doing the work and being recognized for it, they sit there and bitch why they haven't been promoted to more senior levels, even though they have done nothing to show they can handle the increased responsibility.
4) Refuse to listen to more senior people. People who have been around for a while have practical experience that new grads simply do not have. However the new grads insist their way is the absolute best way ever and refuse to listen to any other way of implementing things.
5) Arrogance. See first four points.
So yea based on the recent 'talent' I've seen, I agree with the CEOs point of view in the article.
Liberal government? It's Republican.
From what I see California is probably the most desirable place in the continental US to live. I seriously don't see what everyone has against it. Seriously, please explain what is so wrong with California that is different than any other state.
Seriously. Why do people hate California so much?
Even though Obama is taking the country downhill faster than Carter...
I think you misread the article. It's about Obama approving a plan to take *down* the country, as in knocking abandoned houses down with bulldozers, not take it *downhill*.
No, it works with your stock paper sandwich bags..