it's funny you say it like that. Where I come from sensible eating isnt hippie shit, it's sensible eating. Shit, one of my photos has tatter tots in it and I don't see any tofu or granola in any of the photos.
"so if you habitually eat 5 times the recommended serving size of, say whole grain pasta, it won't matter that the glycemic load is lower than a cake that you would typically eat much less of."
It isnt frick'n extortion. I keep telling you, the schools can feed the kids whatever they want. If I offer you 5 bucks and say you can only spend it on health food, am I extorting you? No.
No it's not a dumb arguement. (I dont have any interest in engaging you in the broader arguement you seem to want to talk about so I'll just stick to the issue.) Local government has failed on this topic. Furthermore, local government is still free to feed their kids whatever they want, they just have to pay for it themselves. I'm sorry you feel like the states and schools were being horribly oppressed by the Obama rules but they most certainly were not, the schools and states complaining just wanted to suckle at the federal teet but didnt want to be told how to do it.
Low carb is more similiar to what people ate before the obesity epidemic? Bread and rice have been major staples in humanities diet for thousands of years.
"There's absolutly nothing about more veggies, whole grains, and less salt that has to equel bad food and if you think so then please revisit my first "maybe"."
Also, schools are free to feed their kids whatever they damn well want. They can hand a pint of ice cream and a plate of nachos to them every day when they walk in the door. The Obama era regulations just meant they couldnt use federal money or programs to feed kids garbage like that any more. There was zero federal over reach happening here.
I love how you talk so authoritively when so much of what you posted is not settled at all. Then there's things like you questing broccoli because it doesnt have a lot of calcium. You're making me laugh here. Of course it doesnt have a lot of calcium compared to animal sources, it's a plant.
The conversation was never about fat in peoples diet and I loath the introduction of tangents in a conversation so I'll just ignore all that. Below I'll just revisit our three points again. I know I wont address everything as a lot of your post is about fat and thus I'm bound to miss some things when skimming for pertinent info.
Salt: The American diet is awash in a completely unnatural amount of salt and there are certainly valid studies that show corelations to health issues and salt intake.
Whole grains: Grains are a staple of the American diet. Whole grains are superior to the bleached stuff both nutritionally and in regards to its impact on blood sugar levels.
Veggies: Your rejection of veggies i find to be kind of laughable when they are a staple of any major diet suggested by mainstream nutritionists.
If you make up your own numbers and ignore things like fiber then yes, you're completely right. How silly of me.
Remind me to check in with you next time i say anything so i can find out what i should ignore and you can fabricate up a few data points for me so I dont have to look at any pesky numbers with meaning assigned to them.
No, you cant compare over eating of pasta to a proper portion of cake you hack. At that point you can just make anything up you want to prove your point. "Cake is way worse because if people eat 10 servings thats waaayyyy worse then a serving of pasta"
And states should be able to choose to have slaves and / or treat minorities in a descriminatory fashion too, right? There's a lot of people clamoring for repeal of the thirteenth ammendment, yeah? (The thirteenth ammendment which was ratified by southern state governments just after the civil war that were puppets of the federal government)
And federal directives on school lunches are not "the starting point". The starting point was in fact local control which has shown itself to be almost a complete failure. Furthermore, schools were still completely allowed to keep fueling the obesity epidemic in this country, they just couldnt do it with federal money. Shit, they could hand each kid a big hot tub of nacho cheese everyday when they came to school.
Well for starters, using your one situation is probablematic because there are plenty of reasons you could be having your problem that dont equal "Obama food program is bad". Maybe you feed your kids too much junk so they dont like the taste of healthier fair (not trying to be rude but from my end it's a possibility). Or maybe your school district serves shitty lunches. There's absolutly nothing about more veggies, whole grains, and less salt that has to equel bad food and if you think so then please revisit my first "maybe".
And then you seem to be saying it's okay to serve your kids junk food for meals because it will make them happy. That doesnt seem like you're teaching them how to eat very well. Maybe try packing them a lunch, it's super easy and not terribly expensive
Local control of schools in the US has proven to be terrible. Denial-ism in regards to what started the civil war or the atrocities visited upon native Americans is rampant in the history books of many red states. The historic revisionism present in many red states is parallel to as if Germany were to deny to the holocaust (something most Germans are really quit honest about admitting).
Of course there's a lot of mean-stream opinion that says otherwise. For instance, my fathers doctor tells him to eat whole grains and avoid the crap that you suggest and his suggestions seems to be very in line with general medical advice.
Do you have a medical degree and somehow know more than the average doctor? Seems like there's a shit ton of yuppy, arm chair doctors out there telling us vaccines are no good for us either.
Your completely anecdotal (and probably politically bias) review of school food has been noted (and lets face it, kids love junk food and will complain about getting switched off of it). I will continue to celebrate any measure taken to help combat the childhood obesity epidemic in our country.
If your kids were getting the same school food I was getting when I was a kid you werent doing them any favors by buying it for them. If they don't like the new stuff then maybe pack them a lunch? It's cheaper and can be healthier. It's probably what your parents did when you were a kid and is super simple to do.
Kids are eating way more processed foods then they were when I was a kid. Shit, there's parent who think feeding their kids gatoraid is healthy nowadays. I know because I would sell it to them when I was a checker in a grocery store during college and they would talk about it.
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it's funny you say it like that. Where I come from sensible eating isnt hippie shit, it's sensible eating. Shit, one of my photos has tatter tots in it and I don't see any tofu or granola in any of the photos.
Kinda seems like it
"so if you habitually eat 5 times the recommended serving size of, say whole grain pasta, it won't matter that the glycemic load is lower than a cake that you would typically eat much less of."
It isnt frick'n extortion. I keep telling you, the schools can feed the kids whatever they want. If I offer you 5 bucks and say you can only spend it on health food, am I extorting you? No.
No it's not a dumb arguement. (I dont have any interest in engaging you in the broader arguement you seem to want to talk about so I'll just stick to the issue.) Local government has failed on this topic. Furthermore, local government is still free to feed their kids whatever they want, they just have to pay for it themselves. I'm sorry you feel like the states and schools were being horribly oppressed by the Obama rules but they most certainly were not, the schools and states complaining just wanted to suckle at the federal teet but didnt want to be told how to do it.
Your turkey burger scenario is literally the Obama era plan; veggies, low fat meat, whole grains. Your tofu scenario is fantasy you made up
Sure, that's why the obesity epidemic is recent but grains (bread and rice) have been the staple of human diets for thousands of years.
It all makes sense when you turn a blind eye to thousands of years of history!
Why do we need to factor out child mortality? Pretty sure more kids make it to adulthood now because they are healthier.
Seems like you're trying to doctor your data to fit the world view you want to have.
Low carb is more similiar to what people ate before the obesity epidemic? Bread and rice have been major staples in humanities diet for thousands of years.
"There's absolutly nothing about more veggies, whole grains, and less salt that has to equel bad food and if you think so then please revisit my first "maybe"."
Also, schools are free to feed their kids whatever they damn well want. They can hand a pint of ice cream and a plate of nachos to them every day when they walk in the door. The Obama era regulations just meant they couldnt use federal money or programs to feed kids garbage like that any more. There was zero federal over reach happening here.
I dont have any data right in front of me. Feel free to do an internet search if you're curious.
Personally, I just think it should just be a no brainer that the food schools serve kids should be something healthy and not basically fast food.
So the solution is to cave in and let the kids eat crap? That's terrible parenting.
I love how you talk so authoritively when so much of what you posted is not settled at all. Then there's things like you questing broccoli because it doesnt have a lot of calcium. You're making me laugh here. Of course it doesnt have a lot of calcium compared to animal sources, it's a plant.
The conversation was never about fat in peoples diet and I loath the introduction of tangents in a conversation so I'll just ignore all that. Below I'll just revisit our three points again. I know I wont address everything as a lot of your post is about fat and thus I'm bound to miss some things when skimming for pertinent info.
Salt: The American diet is awash in a completely unnatural amount of salt and there are certainly valid studies that show corelations to health issues and salt intake.
Whole grains: Grains are a staple of the American diet. Whole grains are superior to the bleached stuff both nutritionally and in regards to its impact on blood sugar levels.
Veggies: Your rejection of veggies i find to be kind of laughable when they are a staple of any major diet suggested by mainstream nutritionists.
If you make up your own numbers and ignore things like fiber then yes, you're completely right. How silly of me.
Remind me to check in with you next time i say anything so i can find out what i should ignore and you can fabricate up a few data points for me so I dont have to look at any pesky numbers with meaning assigned to them.
No, you cant compare over eating of pasta to a proper portion of cake you hack. At that point you can just make anything up you want to prove your point. "Cake is way worse because if people eat 10 servings thats waaayyyy worse then a serving of pasta"
And states should be able to choose to have slaves and / or treat minorities in a descriminatory fashion too, right? There's a lot of people clamoring for repeal of the thirteenth ammendment, yeah? (The thirteenth ammendment which was ratified by southern state governments just after the civil war that were puppets of the federal government)
And federal directives on school lunches are not "the starting point". The starting point was in fact local control which has shown itself to be almost a complete failure. Furthermore, schools were still completely allowed to keep fueling the obesity epidemic in this country, they just couldnt do it with federal money. Shit, they could hand each kid a big hot tub of nacho cheese everyday when they came to school.
Well for starters, using your one situation is probablematic because there are plenty of reasons you could be having your problem that dont equal "Obama food program is bad". Maybe you feed your kids too much junk so they dont like the taste of healthier fair (not trying to be rude but from my end it's a possibility). Or maybe your school district serves shitty lunches. There's absolutly nothing about more veggies, whole grains, and less salt that has to equel bad food and if you think so then please revisit my first "maybe".
And then you seem to be saying it's okay to serve your kids junk food for meals because it will make them happy. That doesnt seem like you're teaching them how to eat very well. Maybe try packing them a lunch, it's super easy and not terribly expensive
Local control of schools in the US has proven to be terrible. Denial-ism in regards to what started the civil war or the atrocities visited upon native Americans is rampant in the history books of many red states. The historic revisionism present in many red states is parallel to as if Germany were to deny to the holocaust (something most Germans are really quit honest about admitting).
Okay, first link
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/n...
Whole wheat breads and pastas coming in better than the garbage you describe.
Now I'm not saying low carb and avoiding most of that shit isnt better for people with blood sugar issues. What I am saying is that you're wrong.
Of course there's a lot of mean-stream opinion that says otherwise. For instance, my fathers doctor tells him to eat whole grains and avoid the crap that you suggest and his suggestions seems to be very in line with general medical advice.
Do you have a medical degree and somehow know more than the average doctor? Seems like there's a shit ton of yuppy, arm chair doctors out there telling us vaccines are no good for us either.
Do you actually think those photos constitute definitive evidence of anything?
Here's some other photos
https://www.google.com/imgres?...
https://www.google.com/url?sa=...
https://www.google.com/search?...:
Looks like plenty of food to me!
Your completely anecdotal (and probably politically bias) review of school food has been noted (and lets face it, kids love junk food and will complain about getting switched off of it). I will continue to celebrate any measure taken to help combat the childhood obesity epidemic in our country.
If your kids were getting the same school food I was getting when I was a kid you werent doing them any favors by buying it for them. If they don't like the new stuff then maybe pack them a lunch? It's cheaper and can be healthier. It's probably what your parents did when you were a kid and is super simple to do.
Nail on the head.
Kids are eating way more processed foods then they were when I was a kid. Shit, there's parent who think feeding their kids gatoraid is healthy nowadays. I know because I would sell it to them when I was a checker in a grocery store during college and they would talk about it.
So then you are confirming that I was correct when I stated that whole grains were better for your blood sugar levels?
So fueling childhood obesity (which is a major health issue in the US) is cool because of your above issues?
Oh, you have link to photos? We should feed our kids crap food because you have links to photos of small meals then?