Also, my father was an estimator - used a slide rule daily my brother a carpenter- used a slide rule daily myself trained as a carpenter - used a slide rule daily moved to sysadmin and programming- can usually use the slide rule faster than the new kids can use the calculator.
Math is math how you come to the solution is the trick and all the great people in math didn't have calculators they did it with the work written down. Your will never be great at math until you can prove the equations the long way.
No, let's not. When is a slide rule going to be used in the real world? When is a calculator not going to be available? I think you even misunderstand what has happened to Maths (and, indeed, Geography) since you went to school yourself. It is now more complex, with topics like trigonometry, calculus, statistics - and it is not useful to calculate SRCC with a slide rule. Of course, this is mixed in with the practical topics of estimation, accuracy, compound interest and all that real-world stuff. Oh - and when learning logarithms, it may be of interest to learn how a slide rule works.
Don't know how old you are but some of us had calc and trig with the slide rule and pencil and paper. Than after showing that we understood the concepts where shown the calculator. It sounds to me your someone that I would not hire because you relay on technology for your life. I only require my mind and to continue on with life.
If all the computers in the world shutdown today for ever I could still function with paper and pencil You however could not along with everyone in the new generation.
Sorry but in reality you are not prepared for the real world. A computer is a tool just like a saw or a hammer. It is used some of the time to complete a specialized task. If you use it for everything then you don't understand life at all. Shut the damn thing off for a while and meet some real people. Those that don't use computers and still function in the real world. Your imaginary world only exist in your mind....
I will agree but of course it is not the Americans that are saying anything bad about anybody else also. The message is if you don't like Americans then leave us alone. God knows I as an American want to just leave you alone. Our leaders are another subject if you can even call them leaders anymore. ( Appears they are more followers of the corporations now days ).
Didn't mean to offend if I did but American Bashing seems to be a new pasttime on a lot of sights....
You know what I am really sorry you all feel this way. The problem, and I am American, is that we use all the tech to replace the mind. Lets go back to solving math problems with paper and pencil, instead of the wonderful calculator. Lets make the student learn to use a slide rule again, instead of the technology and have them learn.
As for the person that says the not the brightest are from America, Then why are so many coming here for the education. Why should we up the H1B visa limit, then stay in your own country and live the good life. But if you want to become an American, I will be the one standing there with open arms to welcome you, just as others did for my family. Because we have the illusion of freedom over here.....
We are all more and more lazy. I have children and watch them suffer with the most simple of problems because they have not been taught the basics. I spend most of the summer working on the basics with them, and steering them from the tech because they can't carry a calculator with them every single place they go.
You want the tech in school, then put it in high school after they should have learned the basics already. And as for everyone that says it is everyday life we need the technology knowledge. Bull pucky, drop the tech and everyone slow down to a reasonable pace. Life will be better and maybe you will be able to enjoy life a little bit more.
Also, if you want to be a drone all your life and just fit in then prepare for your worker bee mentality I want my children to be your boss and not to have to work forever. Lets not prepare our youth for the working class lets prepare our youth to lead and make things better. Here in the good old USofA we no longer manufacture goods and are becoming a service oriented society, this will be the end if we don't change our ways.
I say drop it and put the money into better environments for our youth to learn in and clean up our acts.
Our gvmt tried this back during the depression. I remember being told about the wpa program and it gave people the ability to work for the gvmt assistance that they needed.
Someone got the bright idea that they should not be forced to work to get assistance and that is how the current welfare systems came to be.
Lets be honest, most humans are LAZY and don't want to work. If all humans wanted to work then a lot of our problems would be gone. We then could get everyone together and solve the class issues. Then we could get everyone together and solve the health care issues, then and on and on.
Life would be better if most humans just would get up and work and not expect a handout. From personal knowledge when I was laid off I liked a few days of sitting around the house with the wife and kids, but then I wanted to be doing something and went a found something until I could get back to my field of work. A lot of others just went to the bar all day and expected those that worked to give them a free ride for six months.
on topic: Microsoft just wants to take over the entire computing market and the lazy people in the world are going to sit by and let them.
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Also, my father was an estimator - used a slide rule daily
my brother a carpenter- used a slide rule daily
myself trained as a carpenter - used a slide rule daily moved to sysadmin and programming- can usually use the slide rule faster than the new kids can use the calculator.
Math is math how you come to the solution is the trick and all the great people in math didn't have calculators they did it with the work written down. Your will never be great at math until you can prove the equations the long way.
No, let's not. When is a slide rule going to be used in the real world? When is a calculator not going to be available?
I think you even misunderstand what has happened to Maths (and, indeed, Geography) since you went to school yourself. It is now more complex, with topics like trigonometry, calculus, statistics - and it is not useful to calculate SRCC with a slide rule.
Of course, this is mixed in with the practical topics of estimation, accuracy, compound interest and all that real-world stuff.
Oh - and when learning logarithms, it may be of interest to learn how a slide rule works.
Don't know how old you are but some of us had calc and trig with the slide rule and pencil and paper. Than after showing that we understood the concepts where shown the calculator. It sounds to me your someone that I would not hire because you relay on technology for your life. I only require my mind and to continue on with life.
If all the computers in the world shutdown today for ever I could still function with paper and pencil You however could not along with everyone in the new generation.
Sorry but in reality you are not prepared for the real world. A computer is a tool just like a saw or a hammer. It is used some of the time to complete a specialized task. If you use it for everything then you don't understand life at all. Shut the damn thing off for a while and meet some real people. Those that don't use computers and still function in the real world. Your imaginary world only exist in your mind....
I will agree but of course it is not the Americans that are saying anything bad about anybody else also. The message is if you don't like Americans then leave us alone. God knows I as an American want to just leave you alone. Our leaders are another subject if you can even call them leaders anymore. ( Appears they are more followers of the corporations now days ).
Didn't mean to offend if I did but American Bashing seems to be a new pasttime on a lot of sights....
You know what I am really sorry you all feel this way. The problem, and I am American, is that we use all the tech to replace the mind. Lets go back to solving math problems with paper and pencil, instead of the wonderful calculator. Lets make the student learn to use a slide rule again, instead of the technology and have them learn.
As for the person that says the not the brightest are from America, Then why are so many coming here for the education. Why should we up the H1B visa limit, then stay in your own country and live the good life. But if you want to become an American, I will be the one standing there with open arms to welcome you, just as others did for my family. Because we have the illusion of freedom over here.....
We are all more and more lazy. I have children and watch them suffer with the most simple of problems because they have not been taught the basics. I spend most of the summer working on the basics with them, and steering them from the tech because they can't carry a calculator with them every single place they go.
You want the tech in school, then put it in high school after they should have learned the basics already. And as for everyone that says it is everyday life we need the technology knowledge. Bull pucky, drop the tech and everyone slow down to a reasonable pace. Life will be better and maybe you will be able to enjoy life a little bit more.
Also, if you want to be a drone all your life and just fit in then prepare for your worker bee mentality I want my children to be your boss and not to have to work forever. Lets not prepare our youth for the working class lets prepare our youth to lead and make things better. Here in the good old USofA we no longer manufacture goods and are becoming a service oriented society, this will be the end if we don't change our ways.
I say drop it and put the money into better environments for our youth to learn in and clean up our acts.
Our gvmt tried this back during the depression. I remember being told about the wpa program and it gave people the ability to work for the gvmt assistance that they needed. Someone got the bright idea that they should not be forced to work to get assistance and that is how the current welfare systems came to be. Lets be honest, most humans are LAZY and don't want to work. If all humans wanted to work then a lot of our problems would be gone. We then could get everyone together and solve the class issues. Then we could get everyone together and solve the health care issues, then and on and on. Life would be better if most humans just would get up and work and not expect a handout. From personal knowledge when I was laid off I liked a few days of sitting around the house with the wife and kids, but then I wanted to be doing something and went a found something until I could get back to my field of work. A lot of others just went to the bar all day and expected those that worked to give them a free ride for six months. on topic: Microsoft just wants to take over the entire computing market and the lazy people in the world are going to sit by and let them.