If you honestly haven't read a single one, perhaps you should check them out before replying yourself, since there conceivable could have been something you have missed.
God forbid someone *gasp* misses a Slashdot story.
I may have missed something.... Oh my God, I'd better run back over the last week of "news" and read through all 12,000 posts...
You people that absorb/. like sponges.... Don't expect us all to be as obsessed as you are. This is like the 3rd time I've been attacked by a dozen people for posting something that was in another thread.
And really... Does karma actually mean so much to people that they would purposely post annoying crap just to gain some? This isn't a video game, it's a discussion forum, and this was my first foray into the encryption threads.
In all honesty, I apologize if it has become annoying, but it wasn't me moderating it....
1. Get over it. I honestly hadn't seen it posted in the other threads. Most of them have been Katz threads, and even if you can deal with his writing, the replying posts are far more monotonous than the repeating of this quote.
2. The safety would indeed be temporary. The long-term ramifications would be permanent. This would never be repealed.
3. I'm talking about the US. I'm talking about my liberties. I would not presume that you are from the states, but if you are, I do not see your point here.
4. We're not just talking online privacy. We're talking encryption in general -- we're talking cell phone calls, land-line calls, pretty much *all* communications. This is a very far-reaching agenda that's being pushed right now, and I'm afraid that most people don't realize that.
...and reality is that the CIA, FBI, NSA, etc. wants unlimited rights to watch ALL of our communications. Do you understand the implications of this? They want warrantless searches. Do you understand the ramifications?
If they're privy to every word that you transmit via net or phone, and you have no means of keeping your words private, what kind of Liberty do you have?
This whole "beef up the intelligence agencies" rhetoric that everyone is spewing at the moment is a thoughtless knee-jerk reaction.
Noone takes into account that fact that empowering the CIA is what brought this mess on us in the first place -- Bin Laden and the al-Qaida got their start, their funding, their weapons, etc. DIRECTLY from the CIA.
Yes, they have been stifled. We should open our homes to them, allow the to heat-profile our homes so they can see what we're doing, and let them tap all of our phones and emails so that we can be safe. We should make sure that the government has the ability to read and intercept every word that we say.
Get a fucking life. I haven't had the time to peruse every one of the privacy threads. I am far from a Karma whore.
Maybe it's getting moderated up because there are people who aren't as obsessed with reading every thread on/. as you are?
If you want my own words, here is the letter that I have sent to my Senators and Congressmen:
We MUST not give up civil liberties so readily. The current debate regarding
widening the net that our intelligence agencies can cast on its own people
is far beyond the realm of reasonable.
As Ben Franklin said, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a
little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. "
This country is reeling, there is no doubt. But there is no reason for us to
completely give up on the freedoms that our forefathes founded this nation
on.
The news from the past week has already proven that all of our cell phone
calls are being recorded, and that they can be traced back to their owners.
Everyone with a cell phone is currently giving up their rights to privacy.
All cell phones coming out today have GPS chips in them already, so these
people are currently carrying tracking devices that report their every word.
Now we are talking about face recognition, and allowing the FBI, CIA, etc.
to warrantless access to their information. After the FISA debacle from the
Clinton administration, which basically breaks the constitution in half, it
is time for our chosen leaders to fight back for us, We, the People, that
voted you into office to represent us.
We are not being represented on this. This is fundamentally against the
constitution, and is as much of a strike against Democracy as the attack of
last week.
I hadn't read the quote anywhere in the threads, I haven't been digging deep enough.
But Jesus man, chill out. Worst-case scenario, everyone gets it memorized and drilled into their heads and maybe, just maybe, they'll begin to actually believe it.
There is no explicit mention of the word "privacy" in the constituion. The closest thing is in the 4th Amendment, which prohibits unreasonable search and seizure.
With the current tapping abilities, both legal and illegal , it looks like soon, if not already, warrants will be unnecessary for law enforcement to peruse all of your communications. Also, remember that your cell phone has a GPS chip in it, so you are carrying a "leaky" communications device with a tracking chip built into it.
Unreasonable search is what we're talking about here. If the government decides to allow tapping into 100% of my communications, even though I'm not conversin with people about illegal activities, I want to make sure that I have the right to avoid plaintext and keep what I talk about unavailable if I so choose.
This is my right. It is being trampled.
Did you notice that the cell phone calls that have been reported throughout this whole ordeal were recorded and traced? Doesn't that frighten you in the least? Don't you feel you have the right as an American to some modicum of privacy?
Read up on your history of Afghanistan and the wars that have been waged there. The Russians have tried and lost several times. The British have tried and lost. Hundreds of years of history is being ignored here.
Afghanistan is, at this point, dirt and stone. 5 years of drought and famine piled on top of hundreds of years of fighting and infighting have brought the place about as close as you can get to hell while still walking the planet.
Here's the image that keeps flying through my head:
Old-school B-52 bombers appear over Afghanistan
People run for whatever cover is possibly left at this point in Afghanistan's history
Food, clothing and medical supplies start falling, parachuting to the ground.
Vengeance begets vengeance. If only our leaders in America could see objectively how steadfastly they refuse to learn from history. Our presence in the middle east needs to STOP being about war and START being about peace if we EVER expect there to be a cease-fire from the militants that reside there.
I tried posting the mailto: here, but/. filters wouldn't allow it.
Please let these people know that if they are this willing to ccensor our music, they are not worthy of the stewardship of such a large percentage of American radio outlets.
Well, he certainly wouldn't (and Jesus didn't) request that we have a ceremony, get dressed up in robes, chant in Latin and eat his body and drink his blood.
Make fun? Was I cracking jokes? Did I claim superiority? Where did I even REMOTELY compare them to the terrorists?
I was raised Catholic, and was an altar boy for years. I've had my share of religion and religious education. I am still a Christian, and see no reason not to admit that.
Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell are a blight on the Christian faith. Statements like the ones they made that started this thread can turn millions off from the faith, especially women (FEMINISTS brought this on our country?).
I never compared them to the terrorists, I simply stated that God can't be too pleased with them. I used hyperbole, admittedly, but it fit into the context. I think you may have misread my statement.
But what Christians celebrate isn't the morbid violence of the act, but the love that stood behind the act, and the restoration of relationship that it brought about.
It's still a weekly celebration (their word, not mine) of a human sacrifice.
I can relate. My family is hardcore Irish-Catholic, and noone I've ever known has had as many problems with long hair as they have.
About 25 years ago, at thanksgiving, my oldest cousin was sitting at the "adults" table, when my grandmother and aunt just started harping and harping and harping on him about his long hair.
So he tied it back, grabbed a steak knife off the table, and cut it off. He got up, walked into the kitchen and dropped it into the garbage, sat back down and kept eating. Lots of silence, it was quite a moment.
Then, about 4 years ago, the same aunt was sitting down to the Easter dinner table, took a good look at me with my hair hanging down, and said "It's like having our Lord sitting right here at the table with us." So I asked her, "Then WHY do you have such a problem with the hair?"
She didn't have an answer then, and she hasn't bothered me about it since.
I totally agree with you, pulling religion into this ordeal is really not in anyone's best interest, but because we are America, it is inevitable.
To tell you the truth, I'm somewhat amazed at how well this country deals with non-Christian religions when you consider how deeply rooted Christianity is in out culture.
All of our songs of nationalism mention God, from "God Bless America" to the Star Spangled Banner -- which has the line "And this be our motto: 'In God is our trust.'" in the final, and rarely if ever sung verse.
Of course, none of this has anything to do with/.'s load-handling capabilities, which I am genuinely interested in.
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If you honestly haven't read a single one, perhaps you should check them out before replying yourself, since there conceivable could have been something you have missed.
/. like sponges.... Don't expect us all to be as obsessed as you are. This is like the 3rd time I've been attacked by a dozen people for posting something that was in another thread.
God forbid someone *gasp* misses a Slashdot story.
I may have missed something.... Oh my God, I'd better run back over the last week of "news" and read through all 12,000 posts...
You people that absorb
And really... Does karma actually mean so much to people that they would purposely post annoying crap just to gain some? This isn't a video game, it's a discussion forum, and this was my first foray into the encryption threads.
In all honesty, I apologize if it has become annoying, but it wasn't me moderating it....
1. Get over it. I honestly hadn't seen it posted in the other threads. Most of them have been Katz threads, and even if you can deal with his writing, the replying posts are far more monotonous than the repeating of this quote.
2. The safety would indeed be temporary. The long-term ramifications would be permanent. This would never be repealed.
3. I'm talking about the US. I'm talking about my liberties. I would not presume that you are from the states, but if you are, I do not see your point here.
4. We're not just talking online privacy. We're talking encryption in general -- we're talking cell phone calls, land-line calls, pretty much *all* communications. This is a very far-reaching agenda that's being pushed right now, and I'm afraid that most people don't realize that.
...and reality is that the CIA, FBI, NSA, etc. wants unlimited rights to watch ALL of our communications. Do you understand the implications of this? They want warrantless searches. Do you understand the ramifications?
If they're privy to every word that you transmit via net or phone, and you have no means of keeping your words private, what kind of Liberty do you have?
This whole "beef up the intelligence agencies" rhetoric that everyone is spewing at the moment is a thoughtless knee-jerk reaction.
Noone takes into account that fact that empowering the CIA is what brought this mess on us in the first place -- Bin Laden and the al-Qaida got their start, their funding, their weapons, etc. DIRECTLY from the CIA.
Yes, they have been stifled. We should open our homes to them, allow the to heat-profile our homes so they can see what we're doing, and let them tap all of our phones and emails so that we can be safe. We should make sure that the government has the ability to read and intercept every word that we say.
This is a good plan, you should stand by it.
Get a fucking life. I haven't had the time to peruse every one of the privacy threads. I am far from a Karma whore.
/. as you are?
Maybe it's getting moderated up because there are people who aren't as obsessed with reading every thread on
If you want my own words, here is the letter that I have sent to my Senators and Congressmen:
We MUST not give up civil liberties so readily. The current debate regarding
widening the net that our intelligence agencies can cast on its own people
is far beyond the realm of reasonable.
As Ben Franklin said, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a
little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. "
This country is reeling, there is no doubt. But there is no reason for us to
completely give up on the freedoms that our forefathes founded this nation
on.
The news from the past week has already proven that all of our cell phone
calls are being recorded, and that they can be traced back to their owners.
Everyone with a cell phone is currently giving up their rights to privacy.
All cell phones coming out today have GPS chips in them already, so these
people are currently carrying tracking devices that report their every word.
Now we are talking about face recognition, and allowing the FBI, CIA, etc.
to warrantless access to their information. After the FISA debacle from the
Clinton administration, which basically breaks the constitution in half, it
is time for our chosen leaders to fight back for us, We, the People, that
voted you into office to represent us.
We are not being represented on this. This is fundamentally against the
constitution, and is as much of a strike against Democracy as the attack of
last week.
PLEASE stop this before it is too late.
I could give 2 shits about karma. I've been at the cap ever since it was instated, and was well above it long before.
I hadn't read the quote anywhere in the threads, I haven't been digging deep enough.
But Jesus man, chill out. Worst-case scenario, everyone gets it memorized and drilled into their heads and maybe, just maybe, they'll begin to actually believe it.
There is no explicit mention of the word "privacy" in the constituion. The closest thing is in the 4th Amendment, which prohibits unreasonable search and seizure.
With the current tapping abilities, both legal and illegal , it looks like soon, if not already, warrants will be unnecessary for law enforcement to peruse all of your communications. Also, remember that your cell phone has a GPS chip in it, so you are carrying a "leaky" communications device with a tracking chip built into it.
Unreasonable search is what we're talking about here. If the government decides to allow tapping into 100% of my communications, even though I'm not conversin with people about illegal activities, I want to make sure that I have the right to avoid plaintext and keep what I talk about unavailable if I so choose.
This is my right. It is being trampled.
Did you notice that the cell phone calls that have been reported throughout this whole ordeal were recorded and traced? Doesn't that frighten you in the least? Don't you feel you have the right as an American to some modicum of privacy?
This isn't the historical America. This is a new America, one that has completely lost touch with its forebears.
As Ben Franklin said;
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. "
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. "
Read up on your history of Afghanistan and the wars that have been waged there. The Russians have tried and lost several times. The British have tried and lost. Hundreds of years of history is being ignored here.
Afghanistan is, at this point, dirt and stone. 5 years of drought and famine piled on top of hundreds of years of fighting and infighting have brought the place about as close as you can get to hell while still walking the planet.
Here's the image that keeps flying through my head:
Old-school B-52 bombers appear over Afghanistan
People run for whatever cover is possibly left at this point in Afghanistan's history
Food, clothing and medical supplies start falling, parachuting to the ground.
Vengeance begets vengeance. If only our leaders in America could see objectively how steadfastly they refuse to learn from history. Our presence in the middle east needs to STOP being about war and START being about peace if we EVER expect there to be a cease-fire from the militants that reside there.
Why can I not post a link to my site at earthlink?
It's http://home.earthlink.net/~sunnycat1
Just follow this link.
/. filters wouldn't allow it.
I tried posting the mailto: here, but
Please let these people know that if they are this willing to ccensor our music, they are not worthy of the stewardship of such a large percentage of American radio outlets.
Judge Not, Lest Ye Be Judged indeed.
I agree, and it amazes me that these men were allowed to take the podium with our nation and others watching.
How many people spoke? Couldn't we have found some Christians to preach that might actually be worth listening to?
OH MY GOD, down to FORTY-EIGHT...
Moderation Totals: Flamebait=1, Troll=1, Insightful=1, Interesting=1, Total=4.
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Man, we can't agree on much lately, can we?
Well, he certainly wouldn't (and Jesus didn't) request that we have a ceremony, get dressed up in robes, chant in Latin and eat his body and drink his blood.
Make fun? Was I cracking jokes? Did I claim superiority? Where did I even REMOTELY compare them to the terrorists?
I was raised Catholic, and was an altar boy for years. I've had my share of religion and religious education. I am still a Christian, and see no reason not to admit that.
Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell are a blight on the Christian faith. Statements like the ones they made that started this thread can turn millions off from the faith, especially women (FEMINISTS brought this on our country?).
I never compared them to the terrorists, I simply stated that God can't be too pleased with them. I used hyperbole, admittedly, but it fit into the context. I think you may have misread my statement.
Also, I don't hate.
But what Christians celebrate isn't the morbid violence of the act, but the love that stood behind the act, and the restoration of relationship that it brought about.
It's still a weekly celebration (their word, not mine) of a human sacrifice.
ah, he was just beefcake. they ruined his character and created a love story where it wasn't necessary.
I can relate. My family is hardcore Irish-Catholic, and noone I've ever known has had as many problems with long hair as they have.
About 25 years ago, at thanksgiving, my oldest cousin was sitting at the "adults" table, when my grandmother and aunt just started harping and harping and harping on him about his long hair.
So he tied it back, grabbed a steak knife off the table, and cut it off. He got up, walked into the kitchen and dropped it into the garbage, sat back down and kept eating. Lots of silence, it was quite a moment.
Then, about 4 years ago, the same aunt was sitting down to the Easter dinner table, took a good look at me with my hair hanging down, and said "It's like having our Lord sitting right here at the table with us." So I asked her, "Then WHY do you have such a problem with the hair?"
She didn't have an answer then, and she hasn't bothered me about it since.
I totally agree with you, pulling religion into this ordeal is really not in anyone's best interest, but because we are America, it is inevitable.
/.'s load-handling capabilities, which I am genuinely interested in.
To tell you the truth, I'm somewhat amazed at how well this country deals with non-Christian religions when you consider how deeply rooted Christianity is in out culture.
All of our songs of nationalism mention God, from "God Bless America" to the Star Spangled Banner -- which has the line "And this be our motto: 'In God is our trust.'" in the final, and rarely if ever sung verse.
Of course, none of this has anything to do with
yeah, but.... but.... i was down to 49 karma, how am I supposed to SLEEP tonight? :]
This thing does nothing like a laptop. It doesn't even do as much as a handheld, so how is it like a laptop?
That wasn't a troll, it was a valid response to Jerry Falwell referring to me as a pagan.
Pot, meet Kettle, Kettle, Pot.