The key flaw in your statement is that the entire universe has operated as it does now from the beginning. There is no evidence for this because you cannot go back to the beginning. You must assume that this is true. Creationist assume God created it and set it all into motion. Atheists believe a quantum fluxuation or something like that occurred to bring all of this universe into existence from nothing. Now if that is not faith (religion) I don't know what is.
Why is it that the truth is only the truth if it makes someone money. Just because you can't make money by believing what is so obvious to true scientists does not make it false. The world's formation by God and the transformation via the Flood are easily seen if you use a truly open SCIENTIFIC mind. That is, consider all the options and see what the evidence BEST fits. You will quickly see that it is not uniformitarianism and evolution.
You might also check out Answers in Genesis (http://www.answersingenesis.org/), the Institute for Creation Research (http://www.icr.org/), the Creation Research Society (http://www.creationresearch.org/), and True.Origins (http://www.trueorigin.org/). All of these organizations provide resources from scientists credentialed in their fields of study showing how the Bible explains the creation of the world better than uniforitarianism.
Fossil finds are not evidence of evolution, they are interpreted assuming evolution occured. This is a common argument used by those that support evolution and is circular reasoning. You do know what circular reasoning is, don't you?
The physical evidence I have that God created the universe and everything in it is the Bible. It contains a thorough account of the beginning of time. The God I refer to is the only God that exists. It is the God of the Bible. The Jews have known this God for centuries. Now we can know this God through Jesus Christ. I exclude all other possibilities because God said 'For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse' (Romans 1:20). That is, the world (no, the universe) declares God's existance each and every day in everything you see. I recommend reading the many available resources that can be found at http://www.christiananswers.net/.
Lastly, my use of assumption is not dishonest - it is absolutely correct. You (or those who believe what you are arguing for) believe (i.e. assume) that the universe and all of life came about through natural forces. God has told use differently. I can choose to believe God, the giver of truth, or I can choose to believe man, a fallen being with a sin-nature. To me this is easy. Maybe you are still struggling with this. I pray that you will one day accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior and that you will know the Truth!
David Onder
We can stop this vicious rumor now. The Bible makes specific references to the earth being round - long before the flat earth problems. See Isaiah 40:22 "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in." (NIV) See also Job 26:10 "He described a circle upon the face of the waters, until the day and night come to an end." You may go to http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c015.ht ml for more information.
David Onder
I specifically avoided using the words microevolution and macroevolution, mainly because I disagree with the mainline scientists coopting the word evolution to mean both.
The butterfly example you mention above would not be speciation since the butterflies you mention choose not to mate with each other. In general, speciation occurs when a species diverges into two seperate kinds that cannot mate together.
On your last point, you point out the biggest problem with evolution as science. It is not possible to test evolution, only small parts or theories. Just because something works on a small scale in a laboratory does not mean it actually happened. Nevertheless, Creation scientists do the same thing. The difference is that we assume that God created the universe a few thousand years ago while the mainstream scientists believe the universe evolved to this point with no God over a few billion years.
You have done a good job of bringing up only situations of natural selection within a species. Black humans and white humans are all humans; dogs and wolves are canines; humans in different climates are still humans.
The problem I see here is the reason why so many people are confused. You are using the word evolution in two different ways in the same argument. Changes within a species are observable and testable within our world today. Speciation, or evolution of one species into another, is not observable and has never been found in the fossil record.
Here is what happens: people start with the assumption that the world has progressed and developed without God's intervention (Athiestic foundation). A Creationist believes the world progressed and developed as described in the 1st book of the Bible, the Book of Genesis. An Intelligent Design supporter believes God created the world but used evolution to do it, with some interventions here and there. It is possible to explain the creation of the world scientifically from a Creationist point of view. It is all about the initial assumptions.
If one knows the world was created by God a few thousand years ago, they would be able to correctly interpret the scientific findings. If the dating methods yeild dates out of range, then there must be an error in the dating method.
In order to be successful scientists, one must believe in the Creator of the world. If not, you will only be making incorrect assumptions and theories.
Here lies the problem with today's "religions." They are not true but instead they are what the people WANT them to be. The truth is that God created the universe by speaking it into existence. That is all we truly know. The rest is speculation by fallible humans. I don't choose which way (evolution or creation) sounds best to me, I choose the way God told me it happened.
As far as the evidence, there are many problems with the evidence of evolution - lack of accurate fossil record being the most obvious (if evolution truly occured, why are there NO examples in the fossil record?). There are many problems with the theories of the universe - in particular with the dating techniques and the measuring of distances. Astronomers are not fools - they do not have all the facts. Would you call Galileo a fool? How about Newton? Both of them did not accurately describe the world as we know it, but they sure were smart.
And about dinosaurs - what about them. As a creationist, I believe that dinosaurs roamed the earth and, in fact, some still do. I think you should do some more studying. Maybe check out the Institute for Creation Research, an excellent source of information from scientist that believe the world was created. Also, any books by John Morris or Henry Morris are also excellent resources.
May God help you find the truth - it is there before you but you must choose to believe.
I don't see why Creationism and Evolution are not compatible.
Let me help. The Bible clearly states that the world was created is 6 days and it was good. It was not until man sinned that death entered the world. For evolution to work, death must have been at work before man's sin. Clearly a contradiction. If you are a Christian, then you must reject evolution. If you want more information, I would refer you to Institute for Creation Research (http://www.icr.org/), Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture (http://www.discovery.org/csc), and Answers in Genesis' Creation Questions and Answers (http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/qa.asp) .
David
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The key flaw in your statement is that the entire universe has operated as it does now from the beginning. There is no evidence for this because you cannot go back to the beginning. You must assume that this is true. Creationist assume God created it and set it all into motion. Atheists believe a quantum fluxuation or something like that occurred to bring all of this universe into existence from nothing. Now if that is not faith (religion) I don't know what is.
Why is it that the truth is only the truth if it makes someone money. Just because you can't make money by believing what is so obvious to true scientists does not make it false. The world's formation by God and the transformation via the Flood are easily seen if you use a truly open SCIENTIFIC mind. That is, consider all the options and see what the evidence BEST fits. You will quickly see that it is not uniformitarianism and evolution.
You might also check out Answers in Genesis (http://www.answersingenesis.org/), the Institute for Creation Research (http://www.icr.org/), the Creation Research Society (http://www.creationresearch.org/), and True.Origins (http://www.trueorigin.org/). All of these organizations provide resources from scientists credentialed in their fields of study showing how the Bible explains the creation of the world better than uniforitarianism.
David
The physical evidence I have that God created the universe and everything in it is the Bible. It contains a thorough account of the beginning of time. The God I refer to is the only God that exists. It is the God of the Bible. The Jews have known this God for centuries. Now we can know this God through Jesus Christ. I exclude all other possibilities because God said 'For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse' (Romans 1:20). That is, the world (no, the universe) declares God's existance each and every day in everything you see. I recommend reading the many available resources that can be found at http://www.christiananswers.net/.
Lastly, my use of assumption is not dishonest - it is absolutely correct. You (or those who believe what you are arguing for) believe (i.e. assume) that the universe and all of life came about through natural forces. God has told use differently. I can choose to believe God, the giver of truth, or I can choose to believe man, a fallen being with a sin-nature. To me this is easy. Maybe you are still struggling with this. I pray that you will one day accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior and that you will know the Truth! David Onder
We can stop this vicious rumor now. The Bible makes specific references to the earth being round - long before the flat earth problems. See Isaiah 40:22 "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in." (NIV) See also Job 26:10 "He described a circle upon the face of the waters, until the day and night come to an end." You may go to http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c015.ht ml for more information.
David Onder
I specifically avoided using the words microevolution and macroevolution, mainly because I disagree with the mainline scientists coopting the word evolution to mean both.
The butterfly example you mention above would not be speciation since the butterflies you mention choose not to mate with each other. In general, speciation occurs when a species diverges into two seperate kinds that cannot mate together.
On your last point, you point out the biggest problem with evolution as science. It is not possible to test evolution, only small parts or theories. Just because something works on a small scale in a laboratory does not mean it actually happened. Nevertheless, Creation scientists do the same thing. The difference is that we assume that God created the universe a few thousand years ago while the mainstream scientists believe the universe evolved to this point with no God over a few billion years.
David Onder
You have done a good job of bringing up only situations of natural selection within a species. Black humans and white humans are all humans; dogs and wolves are canines; humans in different climates are still humans.
David
The problem I see here is the reason why so many people are confused. You are using the word evolution in two different ways in the same argument. Changes within a species are observable and testable within our world today. Speciation, or evolution of one species into another, is not observable and has never been found in the fossil record.
Here is what happens: people start with the assumption that the world has progressed and developed without God's intervention (Athiestic foundation). A Creationist believes the world progressed and developed as described in the 1st book of the Bible, the Book of Genesis. An Intelligent Design supporter believes God created the world but used evolution to do it, with some interventions here and there. It is possible to explain the creation of the world scientifically from a Creationist point of view. It is all about the initial assumptions.
If one knows the world was created by God a few thousand years ago, they would be able to correctly interpret the scientific findings. If the dating methods yeild dates out of range, then there must be an error in the dating method.
In order to be successful scientists, one must believe in the Creator of the world. If not, you will only be making incorrect assumptions and theories.
David Onder
Here lies the problem with today's "religions." They are not true but instead they are what the people WANT them to be. The truth is that God created the universe by speaking it into existence. That is all we truly know. The rest is speculation by fallible humans. I don't choose which way (evolution or creation) sounds best to me, I choose the way God told me it happened.
As far as the evidence, there are many problems with the evidence of evolution - lack of accurate fossil record being the most obvious (if evolution truly occured, why are there NO examples in the fossil record?). There are many problems with the theories of the universe - in particular with the dating techniques and the measuring of distances. Astronomers are not fools - they do not have all the facts. Would you call Galileo a fool? How about Newton? Both of them did not accurately describe the world as we know it, but they sure were smart.
And about dinosaurs - what about them. As a creationist, I believe that dinosaurs roamed the earth and, in fact, some still do. I think you should do some more studying. Maybe check out the Institute for Creation Research, an excellent source of information from scientist that believe the world was created. Also, any books by John Morris or Henry Morris are also excellent resources.
May God help you find the truth - it is there before you but you must choose to believe.
David
Let me help. The Bible clearly states that the world was created is 6 days and it was good. It was not until man sinned that death entered the world. For evolution to work, death must have been at work before man's sin. Clearly a contradiction. If you are a Christian, then you must reject evolution. If you want more information, I would refer you to Institute for Creation Research (http://www.icr.org/), Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture (http://www.discovery.org/csc), and Answers in Genesis' Creation Questions and Answers (http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/qa.asp) .
David