If I as a power user (which I am) absolutely positively need to do something not in the UI I can simply drop to the command line or even write my own power tools for the job.
And if you're not that much of a power user? If there's something users are going to want to change, it should be changeable from within the GUI.
This seems to be a criticism often levelled at KDE but I can't understand it. KDE is configurable enough to behave like anything you want - I can make my desktop pretty much indistinguishable from BeOS if I want. It defaults to looking like windows because a dumb user who can't change the config most probably wants it to look like windows.
KDE leaves a lot to be desired for an average user, but Gnome lacks some of the things the power user wants.
I don't see how people can see options as a bad thing. I'm not denying that they do, it just seems insane. IF YOU DON'T CARE, LEAVE IT AT THE DEFAULT, THE DEFAULT IS SENSIBLE. THE OPTION IS THERE FOR WHEN YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT.
On an interesting note, I have read that the development of Linux compares more to the development of Gnome than KDE so this is suprising.
Not at all surprising. Both are getting more and more out of touch with their users, only caring about their ideas and possibly their corporate ties. Here's hoping Linus will see in what he criticises in others the flaws in the way his own project's development is going.
Gnome is getting worse in my view - they keep removing things I want to do, and changing too many things underneath me. I have actually lost data because some tool decided it would be a good idea to switch the buttons in confirmation dialogs. (This file already exists, do you want to overwrite it? I go "fuck no" and click as fast as possible to where I know the "cancel" button is, where it is in every program on the planet, only no they've switched it around on some ridiculous HIG grounds) Now they've decided they can't have normal button names, so I have to relearn every dialog - gnome applications aren't allowed to use "ok" any more, so some of the configuration dialogs use "apply" to apply and dismiss the box, some use "save" to save the changes and then you have to cancel to get rid of the dialog, some have both "apply" and "save" buttons doing god knows what. I can get comfortable in gnome, but then every version change I feel like it's pulling the rug from under me.
Someone needed to stand up for KDE. Linus is saying what most real geeks would say, but he's a highly visible person to say it that corporate people will listen to, when all the corporate-friendly stuff seems to be very anti-kde.
And yet they're growing faster than any other state, capitalistic or otherwise, I can remember. 10% a year - you show me another country that's doing that.
We have a standard way of doing applications over the internet,
We have a number of ways, as this new one certainly shows. None of them are popular enough to be called standard.
it's designed for doing applications over the internet,
Erm, people were still using the web for normal webpages last time I checked. Http is designed either for documents or, these days, perhaps as a general purpose protocol. It's not designed for web applications.
Well, tough shit. That's what the web is being used for. Do you really think that the web would have been successful without ecommerce? Ecommerce is a web application.
The web doesn't need to be that successful. Noone complains that email isn't conquering the world. Ecommerce could have worked a lot better if there was a dedicated protocol for it - it's still harder to order something off amazon than to install a program, and every time I start using a new site I have to learn a new layout, new system.Any site that takes input from the user and does something with it is a web application.Only if you think anything that takes input from a user is an application. The web is a document-oriented system, and document-oriented things work well on the web. Those which aren't are generally kludgy
Slashdot is a web application.
And would be much better done by a usenet-style protocol. (Straight nntp wouldn't work, no, you need the moderation system. But improving nntp would be better than forcing http to make it work).
Computer games shouldn't exist. They're an attempt to shoehorn computers into something very different to what they were designed for--word processing and spreadsheets.
On the contrary, the modern computer has been almost entirely for games. AGP is the most immediate example, but faster processors, larger memory - basically everything that differentiates your current PC from the one you had back when it was just for word processing and spreadsheets - has been driven almost entirely by games.
I don't get Slashdot's irrational fear of AJAX (maybe it's the fact Slashdot itself is stuck in 1998 design-wise). If we threw out everything that's doing something different from "what it was designed for," there wouldn't be any progress in this world.
No, as soon as you see something useful that can be done by using something other than what it was designed for you go back and design something to do the new thing.But go on calling it a "fad," people. The fact is, a lot of standards today were called fads when they first got popular.
Damn straight. I'm using the push internet on my network computer right now. Oh, wait.
The cat's out of the bag now. It's stupid NOT to use AJAX. For instance, my site's login form can just pop up an "invalid login" message instead of reloading an entire page just to display an error message. It's nice for the user to have instant feedback, and it's nice for me not to waste bandwidth reloading entire pages for minor page updates.
Why not do the login via http authentication, where if it's wrong they just get a 403. No page loading at all required.
Estimation of possible gains (user data like credit card info) through usage of the hole - the perpetrators view?
That's what I'd say it's worth (minus the cost of exploiting of course), since it's the perpetrator who'll be paying for it. It doesn't matter if it costs someone else a lot more than you make - consider how you price say property development rights, not by how much value the houses nearby lose but by how much you can sell what you build for.
You've never considered that maybe the reason they're doing so well economically is that their government has absolute control and can do unpopular things that it thinks are necessary? Don't get me wrong, I certainly prefer living in a democracy, but it would be a mistake to think a democratic government is the best in every respect.
Python is the easiest true programming language to learn ever, IME. Writing it is a joy, I can write code and on a good day have it work first time. I can't wait until the mozilla python dom interface gets finished.
The mapquest one annoys me far less since it actually appears in my browser. Your fancy movability stuff is no use when it means I can't look at your map. Scrolling around is perfectly usable, there's a reason image viewers have scrollbars even though you can drag the image around.
Web applications shouldn't exist. It's as simple as that. They're an attempt to shoehorn the web into something very different to what it was designed for - it's meant as a documents platform, not an applications platform. If you want to run remote applications, there are plenty of ways to do so - X11 is the obvious one. If you feel it's inadequate for the higher-latency environment of the internet, you're probably right - but the solution to that is not to try and get http to do applications, it's to write a new protocol for doing internet applications. That's what we should have - a new, standard way of doing applications over the internet, designed for doing applications over the internet, and optimized for this task.
Don't you hate it when insightful gets modded as funny? I've seen 250mb used by azureus alone. Keep sticking your head in the sand and pretending it doesn't happen, java zealots. Meanwhile I'll give your slow memory-hogging overcomplicated language a miss.
Their bandwidth costs them actual money. Their copyright infringement isn't *directly* costing anyone anything. If you look at it from their point of view it makes perfect sense.
So basically, my understanding now is that the DHT Layer is what allows for the decentralization of torrents. Thus, by not respecting the "private" flag, the clients can leech all day without it affecting their ratio. Slap me if I am wrong or missing something, but aren't most (re:99.999%) of these "communities" that care about leechers, ratios, and keeping their torrents to themselves going to be trading/torrenting copyrighted content/material? Call me crazy, but I just have this hunch that this isn't exactly the latest Knoppix torrent.
Dead on
And then you can call me crazy again, but I must ask why we care what these "communities" ban or don't ban?
Because like it or not, slashdot is populated largely by people who are part of one or other of these sorts of communities.
Slashdot Mirror
I don't think that word means what you think it means
A text box appearing completely out of nowhere, with no indication you were focused on it or even that it existed? God that's intuitive.
And if you're not that much of a power user? If there's something users are going to want to change, it should be changeable from within the GUI.
This seems to be a criticism often levelled at KDE but I can't understand it. KDE is configurable enough to behave like anything you want - I can make my desktop pretty much indistinguishable from BeOS if I want. It defaults to looking like windows because a dumb user who can't change the config most probably wants it to look like windows.
I don't see how people can see options as a bad thing. I'm not denying that they do, it just seems insane. IF YOU DON'T CARE, LEAVE IT AT THE DEFAULT, THE DEFAULT IS SENSIBLE. THE OPTION IS THERE FOR WHEN YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT.
Not at all surprising. Both are getting more and more out of touch with their users, only caring about their ideas and possibly their corporate ties. Here's hoping Linus will see in what he criticises in others the flaws in the way his own project's development is going.
Gnome is getting worse in my view - they keep removing things I want to do, and changing too many things underneath me. I have actually lost data because some tool decided it would be a good idea to switch the buttons in confirmation dialogs. (This file already exists, do you want to overwrite it? I go "fuck no" and click as fast as possible to where I know the "cancel" button is, where it is in every program on the planet, only no they've switched it around on some ridiculous HIG grounds) Now they've decided they can't have normal button names, so I have to relearn every dialog - gnome applications aren't allowed to use "ok" any more, so some of the configuration dialogs use "apply" to apply and dismiss the box, some use "save" to save the changes and then you have to cancel to get rid of the dialog, some have both "apply" and "save" buttons doing god knows what. I can get comfortable in gnome, but then every version change I feel like it's pulling the rug from under me.
Someone needed to stand up for KDE. Linus is saying what most real geeks would say, but he's a highly visible person to say it that corporate people will listen to, when all the corporate-friendly stuff seems to be very anti-kde.
It's a sad day for literacy that people need the fact that the great-grandparent is being humourous pointed out to them.
I'm not from the US, although my government isn't much better.
And yet they're growing faster than any other state, capitalistic or otherwise, I can remember. 10% a year - you show me another country that's doing that.
We have a number of ways, as this new one certainly shows. None of them are popular enough to be called standard.
it's designed for doing applications over the internet,
Erm, people were still using the web for normal webpages last time I checked. Http is designed either for documents or, these days, perhaps as a general purpose protocol. It's not designed for web applications.
Well, tough shit. That's what the web is being used for. Do you really think that the web would have been successful without ecommerce? Ecommerce is a web application.
The web doesn't need to be that successful. Noone complains that email isn't conquering the world. Ecommerce could have worked a lot better if there was a dedicated protocol for it - it's still harder to order something off amazon than to install a program, and every time I start using a new site I have to learn a new layout, new system.Any site that takes input from the user and does something with it is a web application.Only if you think anything that takes input from a user is an application. The web is a document-oriented system, and document-oriented things work well on the web. Those which aren't are generally kludgy
Slashdot is a web application.
And would be much better done by a usenet-style protocol. (Straight nntp wouldn't work, no, you need the moderation system. But improving nntp would be better than forcing http to make it work).
On the contrary, the modern computer has been almost entirely for games. AGP is the most immediate example, but faster processors, larger memory - basically everything that differentiates your current PC from the one you had back when it was just for word processing and spreadsheets - has been driven almost entirely by games.
I don't get Slashdot's irrational fear of AJAX (maybe it's the fact Slashdot itself is stuck in 1998 design-wise). If we threw out everything that's doing something different from "what it was designed for," there wouldn't be any progress in this world.
No, as soon as you see something useful that can be done by using something other than what it was designed for you go back and design something to do the new thing.But go on calling it a "fad," people. The fact is, a lot of standards today were called fads when they first got popular.
Damn straight. I'm using the push internet on my network computer right now. Oh, wait.
The cat's out of the bag now. It's stupid NOT to use AJAX. For instance, my site's login form can just pop up an "invalid login" message instead of reloading an entire page just to display an error message. It's nice for the user to have instant feedback, and it's nice for me not to waste bandwidth reloading entire pages for minor page updates.
Why not do the login via http authentication, where if it's wrong they just get a 403. No page loading at all required.
That's what I'd say it's worth (minus the cost of exploiting of course), since it's the perpetrator who'll be paying for it. It doesn't matter if it costs someone else a lot more than you make - consider how you price say property development rights, not by how much value the houses nearby lose but by how much you can sell what you build for.
If you don't care enough to make a choice, then any of them will work for you, pick one at random.
You've never considered that maybe the reason they're doing so well economically is that their government has absolute control and can do unpopular things that it thinks are necessary? Don't get me wrong, I certainly prefer living in a democracy, but it would be a mistake to think a democratic government is the best in every respect.
It's extreme, obviously
There is a project to get client-side python going in firefox. Not sure how far along it is yet. Here's hoping it takes off.
Python is the easiest true programming language to learn ever, IME. Writing it is a joy, I can write code and on a good day have it work first time. I can't wait until the mozilla python dom interface gets finished.
The mapquest one annoys me far less since it actually appears in my browser. Your fancy movability stuff is no use when it means I can't look at your map. Scrolling around is perfectly usable, there's a reason image viewers have scrollbars even though you can drag the image around.
Web applications shouldn't exist. It's as simple as that. They're an attempt to shoehorn the web into something very different to what it was designed for - it's meant as a documents platform, not an applications platform. If you want to run remote applications, there are plenty of ways to do so - X11 is the obvious one. If you feel it's inadequate for the higher-latency environment of the internet, you're probably right - but the solution to that is not to try and get http to do applications, it's to write a new protocol for doing internet applications. That's what we should have - a new, standard way of doing applications over the internet, designed for doing applications over the internet, and optimized for this task.
And it works in konqueror, which gives it my vote.
Don't you hate it when insightful gets modded as funny? I've seen 250mb used by azureus alone. Keep sticking your head in the sand and pretending it doesn't happen, java zealots. Meanwhile I'll give your slow memory-hogging overcomplicated language a miss.
Their bandwidth costs them actual money. Their copyright infringement isn't *directly* costing anyone anything. If you look at it from their point of view it makes perfect sense.
Dead on
And then you can call me crazy again, but I must ask why we care what these "communities" ban or don't ban?
Because like it or not, slashdot is populated largely by people who are part of one or other of these sorts of communities.