yes... but for some reason those non-passionate engineers and CS students have already made it into the industry. no wonder the bubble bursted, too many unqualified people went inthere,
with out passion, there is no innovation... the Hi-Tech industry needs lots of innovation now... I hope some of the more passionate geeks make there way in there and help turn it around.
I agree.
I also dont like it with Software Developers or CS students call themselves Software Engineers.
Engineering is a copyrighted term, you need to have formal training before you are called an engineer. Sure a software developer might know more about coding than a real Electrical/Computer Engineer, just as a mechanic or electronics technician might know more about their trade than the Engineer. The engineer was went through a rigged trainning process, and can handle solve anything.
The CS students will do the high level programming/software dev. Computer Engineers make use of Assembly (Machine Language). Its not for morons, its for the real Engineers that deal with hardware.
I never really keep track of the projects i work on... whenever i have free time.. i pick up a book, learn how to program in a new language and develop somthing to test my expertise.. or learn a new technology... or just simply experiment.. I play with mostly Linux.. currenly trying to run embedded linux on PDA.. its fun playing with that... I installed multiple linux distros.. and freebsd on multiple platforms.. and just tweak and play with them..
one day i felt like learning MYSQL.. i did some PHP/MYSQL programming to applied a statistical method to predict the winning probilities..(The ELO rating system)... works really nice with MYSQL and PHP driven website... thats just an example on how i start things... i can learn anything i want.. and apply it into some application.. i just need a goal/purpose... i was hoping a company could provide me that... I have written Open Source code for the MSPGCC project.. specifically MMC/SD drivers... can't remember what else..
I really dont find it that hard to impress an interviewer.. the thing is i haven't been getting ANY interviews.. too little jobs being advertised... and there is also too much comptition, my resume is barely getting 10 secs of reading time.. which is sad, i go to waste and end up in a helpdesk position, i know i am capable of so much more... i still back up my claim that the market is just saturated with new graduates in the Hi-Tech industry. I see students that are not dedicated to technology, dont like what they are doing.. and were the type that went into CS for the money like others have said on this thread , and they ruin it for people like me.. i am not as good as them in advertising my self...
You speak of accomplishments.. I have a fairly large list for a new graduate like me.. i have yet to meet a challenge i didn't solve...
i have all those attributes you described.. i my point of view my reasoning leads me to two things.. my contacts in the industry i am trying to get into are weak.. so i am ending up in other industries where my networking is stronger.. and the current job market situation of the Hi-Tech industry is making it really hard for new starters
I'd be happy to send you my resume if you'd like.. i'll even follow up with my refrence list to back up my accomplishments...
i hate it when employers say there is lack of work force in the Hi-Tech sector.. i look at my self and so many other of my my fellow engineering graduates who are still looking for jobs since January.. and sadely enough, i have friends from last year still trying to find jobs... do we have a communication problem here or what?
I dont think there needs to be anyworry about not having enough workforce once the market turns around... there is plenty avaialable in Hi-Tech..
Seems like most of you are Engineers,Programmers,IT proffisionals already started in your careers. You dont really know what it is for some one starting right now. I have Graduated in January-2004, and till now i am looking for a job. I am an Electrical Engineer with Specification in Computer Engineering. I have high interest in Technology and decided i wanted to go the Elec Eng. Side instead of Comp. science side just becuase i enjoyed doing hardware more. So now i have been seeking a career as a lowlevel device programmer, Emebedded Systems Engineer. I love programming, Low-level C programming is just second nature to me, and when combined with Assembly programming and some hardware interface configuration...i just start drooling.. i am a real geek and love what i do and what i learnt so far. But i am finding it so hard to start, seems like most employers expect you to have 5 years of experince atleast. But i find i know technology and i can program better than alot of software engineers that have been in the industry for 5 years. Employers find it hard to understand how we can know so much with out experince. Alot of us Geeks enjoy doing this as a hobbie.
Well i was told when i started that i'll be doing alot more computer Engineering tasks, jobs are secure in this market... and we'll be the leaders of the hi-tech world. that was all BULL..
Now i have settled down with a Helpdesk job.. where i develop nothing.. just fix common trouble shooting tasks.. telling a guy that you can't read all of your most recent e-mail in outlook becuase you have organized your e-mail by name instead of Date Received doesn't really need an Engineering degree... I have worked on projects far more advanced and have developed code and hardware much more usefull in my own time. with out being payed for it... its sad after 4 years crunshing engineering work and 1 year of Co-op, our expectations are raised so high.. expecting to continue similar engineering work and development... be leaders of technology!!
So when i see a new CS or EE student.. i tell them you are making a mistake... my campagin is dont go into EE or CS or anything in IT... the market is flooded with profsionals.. Find somthing else you like... I am actually glad to see that there are less entrace to CS programs in Universities. Gives hope to people like me who just graduated now into a HORRIBLE Tech Market.
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Have you tried Portage in Gentoo?
:)
;)
http://www.gentoo.org/
thats the closest i have found to CVS like update.
i love the emerge tool
config files are merged, might have to do some manual diff editing, and sources are updated and then u start recompiling..
$>emerge rsync
$>emerge -U world
yes... but for some reason those non-passionate engineers and CS students have already made it into the industry. no wonder the bubble bursted, too many unqualified people went inthere, with out passion, there is no innovation... the Hi-Tech industry needs lots of innovation now... I hope some of the more passionate geeks make there way in there and help turn it around.
I agree. I also dont like it with Software Developers or CS students call themselves Software Engineers. Engineering is a copyrighted term, you need to have formal training before you are called an engineer. Sure a software developer might know more about coding than a real Electrical/Computer Engineer, just as a mechanic or electronics technician might know more about their trade than the Engineer. The engineer was went through a rigged trainning process, and can handle solve anything.
The CS students will do the high level programming/software dev. Computer Engineers make use of Assembly (Machine Language). Its not for morons, its for the real Engineers that deal with hardware.
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Dalhousie Universtiy (Canadian)
I never really keep track of the projects i work on... whenever i have free time.. i pick up a book, learn how to program in a new language and develop somthing to test my expertise.. or learn a new technology... or just simply experiment..
I play with mostly Linux.. currenly trying to run embedded linux on PDA.. its fun playing with that... I installed multiple linux distros.. and freebsd on multiple platforms.. and just tweak and play with them..
one day i felt like learning MYSQL.. i did some PHP/MYSQL programming to applied a statistical method to predict the winning probilities..(The ELO rating system)... works really nice with MYSQL and PHP driven website... thats just an example on how i start things... i can learn anything i want.. and apply it into some application.. i just need a goal/purpose... i was hoping a company could provide me that...
I have written Open Source code for the MSPGCC project.. specifically MMC/SD drivers...
can't remember what else..
I really dont find it that hard to impress an interviewer.. the thing is i haven't been getting ANY interviews.. too little jobs being advertised... and there is also too much comptition, my resume is barely getting 10 secs of reading time.. which is sad, i go to waste and end up in a helpdesk position, i know i am capable of so much more... i still back up my claim that the market is just saturated with new graduates in the Hi-Tech industry. I see students that are not dedicated to technology, dont like what they are doing.. and were the type that went into CS for the money like others have said on this thread , and they ruin it for people like me.. i am not as good as them in advertising my self...
You speak of accomplishments.. I have a fairly large list for a new graduate like me.. i have yet to meet a challenge i didn't solve...
i have all those attributes you described.. i my point of view my reasoning leads me to two things.. my contacts in the industry i am trying to get into are weak.. so i am ending up in other industries where my networking is stronger.. and the current job market situation of the Hi-Tech industry is making it really hard for new starters
I'd be happy to send you my resume if you'd like.. i'll even follow up with my refrence list to back up my accomplishments...
i hate it when employers say there is lack of work force in the Hi-Tech sector.. i look at my self and so many other of my my fellow engineering graduates who are still looking for jobs since January.. and sadely enough, i have friends from last year still trying to find jobs... do we have a communication problem here or what?
I dont think there needs to be anyworry about not having enough workforce once the market turns around... there is plenty avaialable in Hi-Tech..
Seems like most of you are Engineers,Programmers,IT proffisionals already started in your careers. You dont really know what it is for some one starting right now. I have Graduated in January-2004, and till now i am looking for a job. I am an Electrical Engineer with Specification in Computer Engineering. I have high interest in Technology and decided i wanted to go the Elec Eng. Side instead of Comp. science side just becuase i enjoyed doing hardware more. So now i have been seeking a career as a lowlevel device programmer, Emebedded Systems Engineer. I love programming, Low-level C programming is just second nature to me, and when combined with Assembly programming and some hardware interface configuration...i just start drooling.. i am a real geek and love what i do and what i learnt so far.
But i am finding it so hard to start, seems like most employers expect you to have 5 years of experince atleast. But i find i know technology and i can program better than alot of software engineers that have been in the industry for 5 years. Employers find it hard to understand how we can know so much with out experince. Alot of us Geeks enjoy doing this as a hobbie.
Well i was told when i started that i'll be doing alot more computer Engineering tasks, jobs are secure in this market... and we'll be the leaders of the hi-tech world. that was all BULL..
Now i have settled down with a Helpdesk job.. where i develop nothing.. just fix common trouble shooting tasks.. telling a guy that you can't read all of your most recent e-mail in outlook becuase you have organized your e-mail by name instead of Date Received doesn't really need an Engineering degree... I have worked on projects far more advanced and have developed code and hardware much more usefull in my own time. with out being payed for it... its sad after 4 years crunshing engineering work and 1 year of Co-op, our expectations are raised so high.. expecting to continue similar engineering work and development... be leaders of technology!!
So when i see a new CS or EE student.. i tell them you are making a mistake... my campagin is dont go into EE or CS or anything in IT... the market is flooded with profsionals.. Find somthing else you like...
I am actually glad to see that there are less entrace to CS programs in Universities. Gives hope to people like me who just graduated now into a HORRIBLE Tech Market.