ooh... w3m uses vi as it's comment editor. spiffy.
Now I know this might be judged offtopic, but why do people feel the need to categorize and then attempt to speak for any classified group? That is, one that is not representative of any organization.
After all these are the same people that bitch and moan when their group is feeling mistreated or discriminated against. Now how are we going to treat people equally if we are constantly focused on their different needs based on class? It just doesn't add up.
It's interesting to know that there is a distinct lack of women engineers, but it doesn't mean that we have to work harder to "make" more women engineers. If we are doing our job right as civil respecting people less women are engineers because they DON'T WANT to be engineers. They should be doing what they want to do.
OSS is a generalization when describing "better" software. ESR knows this, his philosophy background shows that his writing never generalizes into a single sect. OSS software is often
better. In other words, plug apache as a better webbrowser, but don't nessicarily push KDE over BeOS because it's OSS, (well, I guess that changes now, but you get the idea) because if KDE falls to pieces, the person that you're trying to prove this to is going to trust your opinion less.
For instance, I found that instead of telling people about linux, and what it is, what it means, I just give them the hard facts as of now. They ask about novell support? I tell them it's not very good. Recommend Novell itself of a WinNT SNA sitation or something like that. Same goes with things like X.25 FRAD-based connections and soforth.
The point is, is that the person that I'm talking to is rarely concerned with the message as a whole, they just want me to tell them what pieces together are going to get the best bang for my buck. If they like my linux scenario (as I have going with a client right now).. I tell them more about as we go down the line, and get them interested. (although my boss doesn't like hearing I told a guy we could get him Linux for free over a $1600 copy of 10 User WinNT SNA.. and he probably won't for a while:)
After all, if you got a client or a friend you're consulting and supporting, are you really going to want to come back every other day because X crashes when he moves his PS/2 mouse?
The biggest question between linux vs. windows or windows vs just abuot anything, is a question of what is "better". A good explanation for this can be found by joining #linux on efnet and typing "best?" in the channel. The reply essentially comes down to this:
"What is best? Linux is best, FreeBSD is best, Windows is best. Who cares as long as it gets the job done the way you want it to."
We have to remember that the lawyers and judges are the ones who argue and evaluate laws, not create them.
People vote laws in, legislators also pass laws. No judge or lawyer that is not a legislator has directly passed any law, as the bill of rights and our US government structure doesn't allow for it.
I think the original issue (which has been heavily distorted in this thread) is that lawyers and judges are/are not educated when EVALUATING the laws that apply to technology.
In other words, if we are going to concentrate on the technical knowledge of anyone, it should be the leglislators that are passing these inane laws in the first place.
So.... When you vote, please RESEARCH YOUR CANDIDATES. Do *NOT* rely on the media to do it for you.
But you forget that iD and Epic (Unreal) probably make the majority of their money in source licensing, which was very profitable for the Quake2 engine.
This is nothing compared to what telemarketers and people like insurance agents have as a reference.
My Uncle is an Insurance agent, I worked on his machines a few times as a favor. He had cd-roms just loaded with databases of people's names, addresses, incomes, and some have information of known insured properties with other companies.
Point being: this information is easy to get. The USPS is just another source. Oregon DMV used to give out any information on anyone with a SSN and a Drivers License number, until someone posted a copy of thier publicly availiable database on the net. Since then policies have changed significantly.
-Erik-
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This is obnoxious anymore.
I understand the need for recognizing the GNU's involvement in linux. But, GNU is getting it's respect from those that should respect it.
After all, do those who use windows happily praise every Win98 Team Members' name when refer to their OS? Does anyone call OS/2 MS/IBM OS/2? (or DOS for that matter)
And foremostly, NO ONE calls FreeBSD GNU/FreeBSD. And IIRC there are plenty of GNU utils inside it and no one insists on this, especially the ones that bitch about GNU/Linux like they are on some higher plane of consciousness than the rest of us.
Let's just generalize for the sake of readability and avoid simple pedantic bullshit. After all, if you're going to insist on GNU/Linux, you better insist on GNU/Free/Net/OpenBSD, GNU/BeOS, etc.
My brash nature is just an expression of my lack of tolerance for political correctness. (which is all this really comes down to)
I think this guy has an excellent point - after all, we shouldn't be bitching about RMS or Amazon here, it should be the PATENT SYSTEM we should be complaining about. After all, they accepted this absurd patent into the system in the first place.
That's the problem though, is that anyone who gets in the line of providing service is EXPECTED to know the law surrounding it.
Here's a better analogy - what if you went into a restaurant and found that no employees were washing their hands after using the restroom because THEY DIDN'T KNOW.
That's why McDonalds has to put signs in their restrooms and literally fire employees if they don't, because they get sued either way.
This is the problem that I have with the whole genetic engineering issue....
Once you can recreate something, it's value decreases. (Anyone notice how cheap porcelain statues are these days?)
For instance, the cheaper ram is, the cheaper a computer gets. The cheaper creating life is, the cheaper it is treated.
Right now, we treat automobiles that our grandparents could have never dreamed of affording like, well, shit. Imagine what our grandkids will do when they find out they can use "Kenmore Gene-O-Matic" to create cats to constantly torture?
And for the parents, why bother keeping that fat retarded nearsided kid you have? Just make a new one!
When something is not fully conceived, it's one thing. When fully conceived life can be created at random is truly when we have reached a level where current states of people's methods of evaulation need to change. The "gimme gimme now" attitude hopefully will be short circuited by then, otherwise, we have a lot to fear for on moral grounds.
Exactly. This is a good portion of what my personal belief is. I have trouble giving money to people that want it and in the same stroke tell me that I'm not giving enough.
Just like with the whole Scientology discussion that happened a couple of weeks ago, people are confusing the church with teh religion.
Would the bible (god's teachings) have a problem with recreating life, or playing god? Probably. Will the Pope, if the vatican's electric bills finally get paid? I doubt it.
I was downloading the latest Unreal Tournament demo, on the T1 here. Looking at the download speed, I was shocked and mortified to realize that I was only getting 12k/sec. I pissed and moaned and screamed and bitched at the speed of the network.
My girlfriend asked me what I was bitching about, and it got me thinking....
4-5 years ago I was running a BBS on a 28.8k modem. To download a lot of files, I was using the FIDOnet Filebone, which cost me a lot of money and time in long distance.
The UT demo is 50 megs. The files that I were downloading on the Filebone were at most 2-3 meg. It could take me literally 3-4 hours to download a file of this size.
Good things take time, but in the current state of the "gimme gimme now" world it's not acceptable to have a GOOD product, just something that works.
There are 3 fundamental and 1 superficial sets of problems with IRC:
1) Your IP is published for all to see. Of course, it is with ICQ as well, but you at least have to know what netstat is before you can figure it out.
2) It's topic based, not individual based. It's also moderated. This leaves little desire to those looking for someone who wants to "chat about anything". Need I remind you about the behavioral toxicity of a good portion of IRC users?
3) With ICQ I talk to the people I want instead of 200 idiots and 1 intelligent person (besides me, of course:)
and the Superficial reason is because I'm sick and fricking tired of typing/ignore haxxor-dude or/ignore porno-spammer-creep. I can just ignore them like they don't even exist on ICQ or just set myself to invisible mode.
I was actually persuing writing ICQ functionality into an IRC client, where it would actually be useful (so I didn't have to 2 clients), ala DCC chat. I never finished.
Nothing keeps you from re-releasing your code under a different license, you, the copyright holder, have sole permission to do that.
NOTHING, other than a well-placed bullet to the head (or perhaps a freak accident that amputates all of your fingers) will keep you from changing the license of your code or putting it under multiple licenses to benefit commercially.
Perhaps it's because of posts like this that "seek and destroy" moderation happens.
After all, your post made very little sense and seemed like flamebait to me.
BSD has it's uses but a lot of it's defenders need to stop frothing at the mouth for a few minutes and read how stupid they sound when they flame the hell out of someone else for flaming a couple lines of text in a.c file.
This is hte most hilarious thing I have ever heard.
I work at a place that handles a LOT of money, and the first thing you know is that if you try, it's easy to "feel" a bill and hte paper it's on, and second, there is a pen that you can get (that most places have but their employees never use) that writes on the paper and chemically reacts with it - yellow is ok, black is bad.
This works on both the new and the old bills, and I have yet to see a bill that's come back counterfeit that didn't fail this pen test.
So in other words, if the places of employment that aren't using the pen get bit for a couple thousand, it's their fault.
People seem to forget that HURD is another idea that someone chose to implement in a different way. Linux, and BSD, are no different.
It would really be nice if people treated Operating Systems like members of a single sports team, instead of several different sports teams fighting for some kind of "Grand Champion"(tm) trophy that's going to ultimately conquer the Operating System universe.
Anyone who's been around long enough to see Operating Systems come and go knows that will never be the case.
So it would be really nice if someday, people would spend more time concentrating on the strengths and weaknesses of each Operating System instead of comparing each one to another trying to say, "well overall this one is better".
Of course YOU (the reader) thinks that, but not the person you may be addressing it to. Perhaps they like something different.
In other words, if you really want to make your point when writing something critical about an OS, please re-examine it to see if it just amounts to "my kernel is bigger than your kernel".
Perhaps if more people shared this viewpoint we could really start sharing code instead of competing for bragging rights to the overall best implementation.
Well if you had read the article, the administrator admitted to pulling the site due to a threat from teh FBI. No court order, no nothing. Nothing other than someone on the other side of the phone (for all he could have known it was a prank) said they were FBI and to pull the site.
The internet (and even moreso the web specifically) pushes the limits of free speech. A website administrator should be prepared for that, and know the laws surrouding it.
Anyone getting involved in a business should be responsible enough to know the provisions and laws surrounding the business they're in, and hopefully get an idea of the varying types of clientel that they are going to be serving.
This man obviously did not study the laws or care enough to find them. This is no different than a used car dealer telling you that a car has never been in a wreck, you find out it's been in 3 front end collisions, and the dealer says that he just didn't know. These are things that the dealer should have known before the car made it to the lot (if he's not lying).
Another good example is IT contracting services that never come through with their promises because they had to do the studying after they signed the form. I've seen this happen countless times, personal friends/business owners that go through a contractor and get promised all this bullshit, only to have them come back 3 days later saying "We can't do this, but we're going to have to charge you a service fee because we did all this work finding out that we couldn't do that". Those consulting businesses seldom last very long, because business owner A tells business owner B.
I still don't agree with the METHOD that was used to alert the other customers, but a polite letter explaining the situation or just a link to a webpage that had a more full explanation would have been a better idea.
After all, word of mouth is what caused people to realize that all the BS that was happening with their windows boxen were happening to others. I still find people that think that their computer is cursed, and don't realize it's the Operating System until I tell them. Then, they're much more aware of what they're getting into when they buy microsoft. How is this any different?
Lynx and Opera WON'T RENDER unless the code is very standards compliant. Opera occasionally works with really bad code but the layout is just utterly horrid.
If Lynx didn't parse tables then you would see the tags (or at least fragments of them).
I haven't tried w3m yet.... But from what I've heard it sounds promising. Personally though with the advent of CSS and enough "bad HTML example pages" I havne't had many problems with graphical pages enough to facilitate the need for a text browser (for other than checking HTML).
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ooh... w3m uses vi as it's comment editor.
spiffy.
Now I know this might be judged offtopic, but why do people feel the need to categorize and then attempt to speak for any classified group? That is, one that is not representative of any organization.
After all these are the same people that bitch and moan when their group is feeling mistreated or discriminated against. Now how are we going to treat people equally if we are constantly focused on their different needs based on class? It just doesn't add up.
It's interesting to know that there is a distinct lack of women engineers, but it doesn't mean that we have to work harder to "make" more women engineers. If we are doing our job right as civil respecting people less women are engineers because they DON'T WANT to be engineers. They should be doing what they want to do.
OSS is a generalization when describing "better" software. ESR knows this, his philosophy background shows that his writing never generalizes into a single sect. OSS software is
:)
often
better. In other words, plug apache as a better webbrowser, but don't nessicarily push KDE over BeOS because it's OSS, (well, I guess that changes now, but you get the idea) because if KDE falls to pieces, the person that you're trying to prove this to is going to trust your opinion less.
For instance, I found that instead of telling people about linux, and what it is, what it means, I just give them the hard facts as of now. They ask about novell support? I tell them it's not very good. Recommend Novell itself of a WinNT SNA sitation or something like that. Same goes with things like X.25 FRAD-based connections and soforth.
The point is, is that the person that I'm talking to is rarely concerned with the message as a whole, they just want me to tell them what pieces together are going to get the best bang for my buck. If they like my linux scenario (as I have going with a client right now).. I tell them more about as we go down the line, and get them interested. (although my boss doesn't like hearing I told a guy we could get him Linux for free over a $1600 copy of 10 User WinNT SNA.. and he probably won't for a while
After all, if you got a client or a friend you're consulting and supporting, are you really going to want to come back every other day because X crashes when he moves his PS/2 mouse?
The biggest question between linux vs. windows or windows vs just abuot anything, is a question of what is "better". A good explanation for this can be found by joining #linux on efnet and typing "best?" in the channel. The reply essentially comes down to this:
"What is best? Linux is best, FreeBSD is best, Windows is best. Who cares as long as it gets the job done the way you want it to."
We have to remember that the lawyers and judges are the ones who argue and evaluate laws, not create them.
People vote laws in, legislators also pass laws. No judge or lawyer that is not a legislator has directly passed any law, as the bill of rights and our US government structure doesn't allow for it.
I think the original issue (which has been heavily distorted in this thread) is that lawyers and judges are/are not educated when EVALUATING the laws that apply to technology.
In other words, if we are going to concentrate on the technical knowledge of anyone, it should be the leglislators that are passing these inane laws in the first place.
So.... When you vote, please RESEARCH YOUR CANDIDATES. Do *NOT* rely on the media to do it for you.
-Erik-
But you forget that iD and Epic (Unreal) probably make the majority of their money in source licensing, which was very profitable for the Quake2 engine.
-Erik-
This is nothing compared to what telemarketers and people like insurance agents have as a reference.
My Uncle is an Insurance agent, I worked on his machines a few times as a favor. He had cd-roms just loaded with databases of people's names, addresses, incomes, and some have information of known insured properties with other companies.
Point being: this information is easy to get. The USPS is just another source. Oregon DMV used to give out any information on anyone with a SSN and a Drivers License number, until someone posted a copy of thier publicly availiable database on the net. Since then policies have changed significantly.
-Erik-
This is obnoxious anymore.
I understand the need for recognizing the GNU's involvement in linux. But, GNU is getting it's respect from those that should respect it.
After all, do those who use windows happily praise every Win98 Team Members' name when refer to their OS? Does anyone call OS/2 MS/IBM OS/2? (or DOS for that matter)
And foremostly, NO ONE calls FreeBSD GNU/FreeBSD. And IIRC there are plenty of GNU utils inside it and no one insists on this, especially the ones that bitch about GNU/Linux like they are on some higher plane of consciousness than the rest of us.
Let's just generalize for the sake of readability and avoid simple pedantic bullshit. After all, if you're going to insist on GNU/Linux, you better insist on GNU/Free/Net/OpenBSD, GNU/BeOS, etc.
My brash nature is just an expression of my lack of tolerance for political correctness. (which is all this really comes down to)
-Erik-
I think this guy has an excellent point - after all, we shouldn't be bitching about RMS or Amazon here, it should be the PATENT SYSTEM we should be complaining about. After all, they accepted this absurd patent into the system in the first place.
-Erik-
That's the problem though, is that anyone who gets in the line of providing service is EXPECTED to know the law surrounding it.
Here's a better analogy - what if you went into a restaurant and found that no employees were washing their hands after using the restroom because THEY DIDN'T KNOW.
That's why McDonalds has to put signs in their restrooms and literally fire employees if they don't, because they get sued either way.
-Erik-
You christians are FUNNY!
The bible says that we are the center of life! How can you even start to shape a discussion around the fact that it's not?!
If we had god given limitations, I'm sure the all-mighty would have let us know if we exceeded them.
-Erik-
After all, if you were god, wouldn't you be pissed that some slave rat figured you out?
-Erik-
To the person who made the comments about the 95% being anti-god, here is your reason.
I thought we had enough problems with the Stallmanites, but geez, now we have to deal with ethical bible thumping christians too.
YOUR GOD IS DEAD. He died in a tomb about 1965 years ago.
I must have the "constantly looking for an argument" gene in me or something.
-Erik-
I got it
IT HAS TO BE MEEPT!
Either that or the original first poster... No one else has either enough free time or motive to do it.
-Erik-
This is the problem that I have with the whole genetic engineering issue....
Once you can recreate something, it's value decreases. (Anyone notice how cheap porcelain statues are these days?)
For instance, the cheaper ram is, the cheaper a computer gets. The cheaper creating life is, the cheaper it is treated.
Right now, we treat automobiles that our grandparents could have never dreamed of affording like, well, shit. Imagine what our grandkids will do when they find out they can use "Kenmore Gene-O-Matic" to create cats to constantly torture?
And for the parents, why bother keeping that fat retarded nearsided kid you have? Just make a new one!
When something is not fully conceived, it's one thing. When fully conceived life can be created at random is truly when we have reached a level where current states of people's methods of evaulation need to change. The "gimme gimme now" attitude hopefully will be short circuited by then, otherwise, we have a lot to fear for on moral grounds.
-Erik-
Exactly. This is a good portion of what my personal belief is. I have trouble giving money to people that want it and in the same stroke tell me that I'm not giving enough.
Just like with the whole Scientology discussion that happened a couple of weeks ago, people are confusing the church with teh religion.
Would the bible (god's teachings) have a problem with recreating life, or playing god? Probably. Will the Pope, if the vatican's electric bills finally get paid? I doubt it.
-Erik-
It's called PUBLIC RELATIONS.
After all if we were all listened to the french we wouldn't be using soap, either.
-Erik-
Heh
Seldom attraction has to do with "skills".
After a few beers and prompt purchase of a hotel room is when "skills" need apply.
I just keep cramming ice cold big sticks down my girlfriend's throat every couple of evenings at about 3am... She's starting to get it now.
Is it just me or are big sticks smaller these days? Oh boy that sounded awful.
-Erik-
Man this post got me thinking about something.
I was downloading the latest Unreal Tournament demo, on the T1 here. Looking at the download speed, I was shocked and mortified to realize that I was only getting 12k/sec. I pissed and moaned and screamed and bitched at the speed of the network.
My girlfriend asked me what I was bitching about, and it got me thinking....
4-5 years ago I was running a BBS on a 28.8k modem. To download a lot of files, I was using the FIDOnet Filebone, which cost me a lot of money and time in long distance.
The UT demo is 50 megs. The files that I were downloading on the Filebone were at most 2-3 meg. It could take me literally 3-4 hours to download a file of this size.
Good things take time, but in the current state of the "gimme gimme now" world it's not acceptable to have a GOOD product, just something that works.
Perhaps I'm old fashioned.
-Erik-
There are 3 fundamental and 1 superficial sets of problems with IRC:
:)
/ignore haxxor-dude or /ignore porno-spammer-creep. I can just ignore them like they don't even exist on ICQ or just set myself to invisible mode.
1) Your IP is published for all to see. Of course, it is with ICQ as well, but you at least have to know what netstat is before you can figure it out.
2) It's topic based, not individual based. It's also moderated. This leaves little desire to those looking for someone who wants to "chat about anything". Need I remind you about the behavioral toxicity of a good portion of IRC users?
3) With ICQ I talk to the people I want instead of 200 idiots and 1 intelligent person (besides me, of course
and the Superficial reason is because I'm sick and fricking tired of typing
I was actually persuing writing ICQ functionality into an IRC client, where it would actually be useful (so I didn't have to 2 clients), ala DCC chat. I never finished.
-Erik-
Nothing keeps you from re-releasing your code under a different license, you, the copyright holder, have sole permission to do that.
NOTHING, other than a well-placed bullet to the head (or perhaps a freak accident that amputates all of your fingers) will keep you from changing the license of your code or putting it under multiple licenses to benefit commercially.
-Erik-
Perhaps it's because of posts like this that "seek and destroy" moderation happens.
.c file.
After all, your post made very little sense and seemed like flamebait to me.
BSD has it's uses but a lot of it's defenders need to stop frothing at the mouth for a few minutes and read how stupid they sound when they flame the hell out of someone else for flaming a couple lines of text in a
Petty if you ask me.
-Erik-
But if the math used is based on the image, getting the watermark for a single $20 bill would be extremely useful.
:)
What would be really interesting is if you could actually modify the silicon to PRODUCE the watermarks for counterfeit bills...
I see another modchip coming
-Erik-
This is hte most hilarious thing I have ever heard.
I work at a place that handles a LOT of money, and the first thing you know is that if you try, it's easy to "feel" a bill and hte paper it's on, and second, there is a pen that you can get (that most places have but their employees never use) that writes on the paper and chemically reacts with it - yellow is ok, black is bad.
This works on both the new and the old bills, and I have yet to see a bill that's come back counterfeit that didn't fail this pen test.
So in other words, if the places of employment that aren't using the pen get bit for a couple thousand, it's their fault.
-Erik-
People seem to forget that HURD is another idea that someone chose to implement in a different way. Linux, and BSD, are no different.
It would really be nice if people treated Operating Systems like members of a single sports team, instead of several different sports teams fighting for some kind of "Grand Champion"(tm) trophy that's going to ultimately conquer the Operating System universe.
Anyone who's been around long enough to see Operating Systems come and go knows that will never be the case.
So it would be really nice if someday, people would spend more time concentrating on the strengths and weaknesses of each Operating System instead of comparing each one to another trying to say, "well overall this one is better".
Of course YOU (the reader) thinks that, but not the person you may be addressing it to. Perhaps they like something different.
In other words, if you really want to make your point when writing something critical about an OS, please re-examine it to see if it just amounts to "my kernel is bigger than your kernel".
Perhaps if more people shared this viewpoint we could really start sharing code instead of competing for bragging rights to the overall best implementation.
-Erik-
Well if you had read the article, the administrator admitted to pulling the site due to a threat from teh FBI. No court order, no nothing. Nothing other than someone on the other side of the phone (for all he could have known it was a prank) said they were FBI and to pull the site.
The internet (and even moreso the web specifically) pushes the limits of free speech. A website administrator should be prepared for that, and know the laws surrouding it.
Anyone getting involved in a business should be responsible enough to know the provisions and laws surrounding the business they're in, and hopefully get an idea of the varying types of clientel that they are going to be serving.
This man obviously did not study the laws or care enough to find them. This is no different than a used car dealer telling you that a car has never been in a wreck, you find out it's been in 3 front end collisions, and the dealer says that he just didn't know. These are things that the dealer should have known before the car made it to the lot (if he's not lying).
Another good example is IT contracting services that never come through with their promises because they had to do the studying after they signed the form. I've seen this happen countless times, personal friends/business owners that go through a contractor and get promised all this bullshit, only to have them come back 3 days later saying "We can't do this, but we're going to have to charge you a service fee because we did all this work finding out that we couldn't do that". Those consulting businesses seldom last very long, because business owner A tells business owner B.
I still don't agree with the METHOD that was used to alert the other customers, but a polite letter explaining the situation or just a link to a webpage that had a more full explanation would have been a better idea.
After all, word of mouth is what caused people to realize that all the BS that was happening with their windows boxen were happening to others. I still find people that think that their computer is cursed, and don't realize it's the Operating System until I tell them. Then, they're much more aware of what they're getting into when they buy microsoft. How is this any different?
-Erik-
That's not what I meant.
:)
Lynx and Opera WON'T RENDER unless the code is very standards compliant. Opera occasionally works with really bad code but the layout is just utterly horrid.
If Lynx didn't parse tables then you would see the tags (or at least fragments of them).
I haven't tried w3m yet.... But from what I've heard it sounds promising. Personally though with the advent of CSS and enough "bad HTML example pages" I havne't had many problems with graphical pages enough to facilitate the need for a text browser (for other than checking HTML).
It also renders frames too...
-Erik-