Sega isn't selling these games. Where are you supposed to get them if you want them? Are you telling me that Sega should get to say 'No, no nostalgia for you, you cannot ever ever get any of those games you used to play from us or anyone because we refuse to sell them'. If they refuse to sell them..... how are they harmed by my getting them elsewhere? Is Sega licensing these roms to anyone? I haven't seen any sega sonic palms floating around, or any other evidence that they've licensed the games to anyone.
I don't know if it matters, but from a rear pic of the player you can see Afreey. Afreey makes a unit called the ld-2060 that i think Dulux is using as their base (same region stuff, mp3, etc). It also costs $250. So they are adding something to that unit, but it doesnt look like they're increasing the price because of the roms. They appear to be in essence giving them away.
But they're selling a new frogger game. Will they be hurt by the ready availability of the old frogger game in other platforms? Or will that actually boost interest in the new game?
I'm not talking about anything that a company is still selling. If I could buy sonic for the sega genesis (and a genesis since mine broke like 7 years ago) I would. If I could buy it from someone they officially licensed it to, I would. But there ARE no legal options. The ONLY way to get those games are roms, and yard sales. Sega makes no money when i buy a genesis at a yard sale. They make no money when I buy a Dulux. That is because they have decided that it's not worth their while to sell these games. I want the games. I'll buy them from whoever I can. If Sega won't provide, they're forcing me to buy from a non-approved source. Copyright shouldn't cover items that are not available commercially. Like a rare bootleg or demo track you find on napster - this is something that is not available commercially, and thus cannot hurt commercial sales. But it's something people want. If there is no legal place to buy it, what's the harm in letting people have it for free?
I have no problem with being against both the Dulux dvd player and the roms sites. That's consistent. But the first post I saw about these being 'illegal' roms (is there another kind?) was from a post on a roms site. Now that made no sense to me. How could you like roms on your pc, but not think they should be sold in any other device?
On a side note, I played the dreamcast recently, the sonic game. IT SUCKED! It was sooooo bad. 10 minutes of video per one minute of play. It really made me wish I could go to a store somewhere and get a genesis for $20 or so. But Sega is no longer selling them. The only place to get them as far as i know, is from roms. But I really don't want to play sonic on my computer, I want to play it on the tv while I lounge on the couch. Imagine how happy I was when I saw this region free dvd player that included all those games.
Hmm. The rom sites i see often have big banner ads. Hmm. Do you think the people running the site get money for those ads? Do you think they might be.... (shudder).... making money while giving away those roms? To a market that is thousands of times the size of the Dulux dvd player market?
The rom sites are, however, for profit, advertisement supported web sites. Making money. Off of other people's games.
About your 10 year proposal - I think that's too long. Especially for video games. Why do you have to wait 10 years? The point of copyright is to protect the creators economic rights. Once they cease to produce the product, they cease to have any economic interest in that product, and their rights related to it should also expire. If you no longer sell the master system..... HOW are you hurt by someone else selling it? If you want to license it to others, fine. Sega made no initiatives i was aware of in that area. If Sega had a policy saying 'you can license old systems for x dollars' then they'd have a right to complain. But they don't. They never have. They abandoned the market. It's not like sanyo wanted to put these games in their vcrs and this blew the whole deal. As soon as a company stops making money off a product and abandons it it should become public domain.
They didn't care when millions of pc users could get access to roms of their games. Why are they then upset if 100,000 people can play THOSE EXACT SAME ROMS on dvds? They considered the market dead enough to not defend their rights when the roms were on pc. My question is why does the particular machine matter? Would it be okay if Dulux called this a pc with a dvd drive, but only tv support (no monitor output)? And no keyboard, no mouse? And no general purpose os? It would still be the same product. But it would then be a 'pc' running those same roms that have been up on the web forever.
There are a bunch of dvd players that let you play 3d0 games. Because the 3d0 is dead. What the hell do they care? Are they a company anymore? Beats me. This does suggest a good way for console companies to make money off old consoles in the future. Too bad they didn't think of it themselves. But I remain unconvinced that roms that are unthreatening to them on pc are suddenly threatening on a dvd player. How many people own pcs? Now how many own a dvd player?
If i set my computer up as a shoutcast server and stream music that I created myself using public domain and personally created loops, that i am the copyright holder of.... guess what will happen to me? The RIAA will ask for royalties, on the ASSUMPTION that every web streamer is going to stream some music they own rights to. I will refuse, and then they can take me to court.
WTF? And you support them. I only want the right to control my own music. And in 'the interest of the artists' the RIAA is going to sue me. Your post was ass-backwards. I WANT the right to say how my music can be distributed, but the RIAA will NOT allow me to exercise that right. Really. When I buy cds to burn MY music I pay a fee to them because they assume I'm going to copy some Blink 182 or something. Again, guilty by default. Why should I have to support my biggest competitor when I buy the tools I need to compete with them? Does that system look rigged to anyone else? The RIAA is the one with, as you say *NO FSCHING RIGHTS* (sic) to do what they've been doing.
By the way loudmouth, copyright infringement is not theft, it's copyright infringement. Which is not piracy, piracy involves ships and parrots and violence. Copyright infringement is, legally, about the same as jaywalking - except that jaywalking can actually put people in danger, and copyright infringement can only have the minor effect of denying a corporation money.
RIAA is arguing that while ASCAP and BMI can collect royalties for the performance side of streamed media, the RIAA is entitled to royalties because THE PART OF THE SONG IN YOUR COMPUTER'S BUFFER MEMORY IS A PHYSICAL COPY OF THE SONG!
Yes, they're saying they can collect royalties because you have in effect bought a physical copy of the music. It's like an evaporating cd i guess.... Satan himself would be proud of the RIAA for this little idea.
The RIAA plans to demand ALL streamers pay them royalties, on the assumption that riaa artists' music will be played at some point. If you say "no, I won't play their music", they'll take you to court and you can try to defend yourself there. They ASSUME you are stealing from them until you PROVE you're innocent after they sue you. Man, didn't I hear something about a country where you were assumed innocent until proven guilty?
I also think they're arguing that the part of the song in your computer's buffer memory constitutes a physical copy being made, hence the royalties to the RIAA. BUT, you must still ALSO pay royalties to BMI and ASCAP to cover the performance royalties. So in essence they're saying that streaming music should have to pay physical royalties and performance royalties. Now how they can think that one thing equals two things (1 == 2? not in my calculator) I don't know. If it's a performance, it's not a physical copy sale. If it's a physical copy sale, it's not a performance.
Since all these roms were lifted from a web site, it looks to me like Dulix has a good argument: the original copyright holders have stopped enforcing their copyright rights because there is no commercial market for these games, and have thus already forfeited them. There is also no loss to them by Dulux including the games, it's not like we're now buying games from Dulux that we would have otherwise bought from Sega. It's not like Sega even has these games to sell anymore. Intellectual property must be vigorously defended or it will eventuall become public domain. There are already many dvd players that let you play 3d0 games. They haven't been sued. Shinco has a player that plays genesis games. They haven't been sued.
Couldn't find any info on output! You're freaking kidding me! When it makes a big point of outputting in PAL or NTSC?
You forgot your login? Well try to remember it... and try to remember to read articles before commenting on them.
DID YOU LOOK AT THE SITE? DID YOU LOOK AT THE SPECS? DID YOU LOOK AT THE FEATURE COMPARISON?
Obviously not moron. Or you would see that it has DTS. And it has composite video. Making your post offensive to me. Check out the material before you blather and try to show off your audio geekness.
look at www.250dvd.com There's a rear pic where you can see Afreey. Look up reviews of the Afreey ld-2060, my best guess as to what this actually is. All the reviews are positive so farm
If this is an Afreey ld-2060 as it looks like (you can see afreey on it on a rear pic on www.250dvd.com, and has same features, price) then the afreey ld-2060 does support svcd. It ALSO supports 'mini-dvds', cdrs burned with dvd authoring software to give you 15 minutes of dvd video on a cdr.
Someone posted a link to other sites by the company, like this one: www.250dvd.com
Look at the rear picture. It IS an Afreey. I can't make out the model numbers, etc, but it is the same maker, and with all the same features i'm sure it's the same model. so if you'd be happy with it w/o the games (about half seem to be genesis games by the way) why not get 721 games thrown in?
Why is it that ROM sites are ok? But putting roms in a dvd player isn't? Where is the pc ethically superior to a dvd player?
As everyone has been saying - the Master System is a dead console! There is no market for it! It is still covered by copyright law, but only because the law is bad. Can you buy a sega master system from sega? If not, then why not grab this?
A 'fan' of the Grateful Dead? How does he have any legal standing to bring a lawsuit against someone selling (assuming they are for the sake of argument) illegal copies of music by the Grateful Dead? He's not a copyright holder of the songs, the recordings, anything. The case should have been rejected outright since he's not an interested party in any legal sense.
even if you didn't finish the article, which clearly labeled itself as satire, didn't you see the hundred posts about it being a fake in this discussion?
Watch 'Pirates of Silicon Valley'. An excellent geek movie, and does a good job of showing the maneuvering microsoft did to buy DOS from someone else and then turn around and sell it to IBM - right after they'd promised IBM that they had a great OS.
PPPPLLLLLEEEEEAAAAASSSSSEEEEE read the article BEFORE commenting on it. Notice at the bottom where it SAYS THAT IT'S SATIRE??! Even better, this exact same 'hurry up and post' mentality has generated a ton of posts on that site as well with people doing this same thing, and also ignoring the posts about 'hey read the article first'. You realize this means that i don't ever believe you read articles now, you fall into the post for post-ings sake group.
Hi! How are you! It's been awhile since we've talked. Everything OK?
Sorry. Enough teasing. I've been getting a lot of calls from your friends and supporters. Man, are they freaked out! They actually think you are going to lose. Talk about no faith in the quarterback! Hasn't anyone told them that Bush didn't even win his OWN Republican primary in Michigan? "Swing state?" Ha!
According to your people, all Ralph or I have to do is wave a magic wand and the Nader voters will "come back to Gore."
Look, Al, you have screwed up -- big time. By now, you should have sent that smirking idiot back to Texas with a copy of "Hooked on Phonics" in his hands. You should have wiped the floor with him during the three debates. But you didn't. And now your people are calling ME, asking ME to do the job YOU'VE failed to do! Jeez, I've got enough on my plate these days, between work and the holidays coming up and the leaves I should be raking -- and now I'm supposed to save YOU? Unbelievable!
If you recall, I sent you a personal letter back in June asking you why I should vote for you instead of Ralph Nader for President. You sent me a four-page reply, thanking me for my "provocative letter," and outlining the VERY reasons that I knew would find you in the predicament you are in this week.
There is something I think you don't understand. You don't realize that it's YOU and the Democrats that are responsible for the possibility of Bush winning next Tuesday. Instead of being men (we aren't putting any women on the ticket yet, are we?) and owning up to your mistakes, you and your people are blaming some rumpled senior citizen lawyer who is only following his conscience. I mean, really! Ralph Nader has devoted his entire life to making the rest of our lives better. Because of him we have the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act, the EPA, OSHA, airbags and seatbelts, the Freedom of Information Act -- the list goes on and on. What have YOU done to save a few million lives?
Yet, you attack this decent man and those who support him. Let's get one thing straight -- we didn't leave you, YOU left us. You and your "New Democrats" abandoned the poor, the working class, and the middle class. Your support for NAFTA has cost hundreds of thousands of people -- your very supporters -- their jobs. In my hometown of Flint, 32,000 GM jobs have been lost since you and Clinton took office. That's 5,000 MORE GM jobs than were lost there during the ENTIRE 12 years of Reagan/Bush! Are you even aware that two-thirds of the school children in Flint live below the federal poverty level? And you wonder why the race in Michigan is so close! These people you left behind had nowhere else to go EXCEPT to Nader -- unless they choose to just stay home on Election Day, which is what the majority of them will do.
You and the Democrats have created the monster know as "W." There were more layoffs in the U.S. last year than in any year in the past decade. There were more family bankruptcies filed last year than any year in our history. The average family carries more personal debt now than any time since the Great Depression. And yet, you cynically take a bus ride through the Midwest calling it "The Great Lakes Prosperity Tour." Has it crossed your mind why the majority of the "swing states" where the election is too close to call are in the rust belt that begins in Missouri and extends to Pennsylvania?
Your attempts to scare Nader voters have only backfired on you. Once NARAL started running its anti-Nader ads in Minnesota, Ralph jumped up to 10% in the polls! People are not stupid. You can howl all you want about how "Bush will appoint Supreme Court justices like Scalia and Clarence Thomas." But we the people know who voted to PUT that right-wing nut Antonin Scalia on the court. It was YOU, Al Gore, the senator from Tennessee who stood up and voted "YEA!" the day Scalia was confirmed in the Senate! If we ever lose Roe v. Wade, YOU are the one with the blood on your hands, and those of us, including Ralph Nader, who fought the Scalia nomination, will never forget the jeopardy you and your fellow Democrats put women in with that vote. And when 11 of your Democratic senators voted to put Clarence Thomas on the Court, giving him the slim 52 to 48 majority he needed, your party (which was in control of the Senate at that time!) threatened every woman in America. For the love of God, do NOT have the audacity to come at us now with your scare tactics about how women may lose the right to chose. You have no credibility.
So, what do we do? One thing is certain -- George W. Bush MUST NEVER SIT IN THE OVAL OFFICE. Having met both you and George W. in person, and realizing that the two of you are in agreement on most issues, I did come away with the distinct feeling that there IS one difference between you and the governor of Texas.
George W. Bush is a banal, despicable, and corrupt human being.
And you, sir, are not. Don't get me wrong -- you believe in a lot of evil things (how sad I was to watch you during the debate as you sat there in silent agreement while Bush licked his lips at the thought of executing three men). However, as a human being, I believe you are a decent guy, a good father and husband, and somewhere deep down you have a heart and a conscience. I honestly believe that about you. So what happened?
I want Ralph Nader to get millions of votes on Tuesday. I have seen the response to Ralph at numerous huge rallies across the country. There is a progressive movement afoot in America and it needs to explode into a majority movement -- beginning now, not four years from now.
I truly believe Nader is closer to how the majority of Americans feel than either you or Bush. Go ahead, ask around. The majority of Americans want REAL health insurance, a living wage, a chance to be represented by a union, less money wasted on the Pentagon, and no one wants to wear clothes made by a 12-year old in an Asian "free trade" sweatshop. If the media and you hadn't just woken up to the Nader campaign, if you had welcomed him into the debates, we all would have been discussing THESE issues months ago -- and you would have quickly learned how Americans feel about them.
OK, so you missed an opportunity to do the right thing. Now you are asking us to pull you out of your mistake and prevent the reign of terror a Bush presidency will bring us.
How do you want to do this? What will you give the working poor and the young people who have decided to desert you next Tuesday? I am willing to discuss anything short of Ralph not getting 5% of the vote. He can obtain that goal AND Bush can be defeated. They are not mutually exclusive.
But the ball is in your court, not ours. I will not feel one iota of guilt should you screw up and lose on Tuesday. The blame I do share is that I voted for you and Bill in 1992. And I have spent the last 8 years doing what I could, in my own small ways, to try and stop the hemorrhaging that your administration caused.
Did I ever tell you the story about Buell Elementary in Flint? I helped build a computer lab there so that the kids (83% of them live in poverty) would have the same leg up as the students in the wealthier districts.
But you and the President eliminated federal assistance for millions of poor mothers. This year, one of those mothers, living near Buell Elementary, faced eviction from her home. She had to put her kids up at a relative's house so she could at least keep her "welfare-to-work" assignment. Under your watch, she became a victim of your policies, was loaded onto a bus each day and, for 12 hours, transported to and from a wealthy white suburb to work at "Dick Clark's All-American Restaurant." Her 6-year old, homeless, was forced to stay with his uncle. One day, last February, while his mother worked off her welfare payments at the All-American restaurant, that little 6-year old found his uncle's gun, took it to school, and shot a 6-year old girl in the neck, just as they were on their way down to work on the computers I had bought for them.
Have you had a chance, Mr. Gore, to hear the 911 call from the teacher as she was trying to stop the geyser of blood shooting out from that 6-year old girl's neck just before she died? You should hear it. She's the recipient of what you call "welfare reform."
Oh, never? Because Bush and Gore are both lying sacks of shit who refuse to answer truthfully. Neither one will change anything. They've both already been bought. If you knowingly vote for scum, you deserve what happens. The only reason that 'only gore or bush can win' is because you insist on believing its true. It's not a fact of nature. It's not a law. It's an idea put in your head 2000 times a day by a manipulative media, but it's just a much a lie as the idea that as soon as you start drinking Bud beer the swedish bikini team will appear and start frolicking with you.
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Sega isn't selling these games. Where are you supposed to get them if you want them? Are you telling me that Sega should get to say 'No, no nostalgia for you, you cannot ever ever get any of those games you used to play from us or anyone because we refuse to sell them'. If they refuse to sell them..... how are they harmed by my getting them elsewhere? Is Sega licensing these roms to anyone? I haven't seen any sega sonic palms floating around, or any other evidence that they've licensed the games to anyone.
I don't know if it matters, but from a rear pic of the player you can see Afreey. Afreey makes a unit called the ld-2060 that i think Dulux is using as their base (same region stuff, mp3, etc). It also costs $250. So they are adding something to that unit, but it doesnt look like they're increasing the price because of the roms. They appear to be in essence giving them away.
But they're selling a new frogger game. Will they be hurt by the ready availability of the old frogger game in other platforms? Or will that actually boost interest in the new game?
I'm not talking about anything that a company is still selling. If I could buy sonic for the sega genesis (and a genesis since mine broke like 7 years ago) I would. If I could buy it from someone they officially licensed it to, I would. But there ARE no legal options. The ONLY way to get those games are roms, and yard sales. Sega makes no money when i buy a genesis at a yard sale. They make no money when I buy a Dulux. That is because they have decided that it's not worth their while to sell these games. I want the games. I'll buy them from whoever I can. If Sega won't provide, they're forcing me to buy from a non-approved source. Copyright shouldn't cover items that are not available commercially. Like a rare bootleg or demo track you find on napster - this is something that is not available commercially, and thus cannot hurt commercial sales. But it's something people want. If there is no legal place to buy it, what's the harm in letting people have it for free?
I have no problem with being against both the Dulux dvd player and the roms sites. That's consistent. But the first post I saw about these being 'illegal' roms (is there another kind?) was from a post on a roms site. Now that made no sense to me. How could you like roms on your pc, but not think they should be sold in any other device?
On a side note, I played the dreamcast recently, the sonic game. IT SUCKED! It was sooooo bad. 10 minutes of video per one minute of play. It really made me wish I could go to a store somewhere and get a genesis for $20 or so. But Sega is no longer selling them. The only place to get them as far as i know, is from roms. But I really don't want to play sonic on my computer, I want to play it on the tv while I lounge on the couch. Imagine how happy I was when I saw this region free dvd player that included all those games.
Hmm. The rom sites i see often have big banner ads. Hmm. Do you think the people running the site get money for those ads? Do you think they might be .... (shudder) .... making money while giving away those roms? To a market that is thousands of times the size of the Dulux dvd player market?
The rom sites are, however, for profit, advertisement supported web sites. Making money. Off of other people's games.
About your 10 year proposal - I think that's too long. Especially for video games. Why do you have to wait 10 years? The point of copyright is to protect the creators economic rights. Once they cease to produce the product, they cease to have any economic interest in that product, and their rights related to it should also expire. If you no longer sell the master system..... HOW are you hurt by someone else selling it? If you want to license it to others, fine. Sega made no initiatives i was aware of in that area. If Sega had a policy saying 'you can license old systems for x dollars' then they'd have a right to complain. But they don't. They never have. They abandoned the market. It's not like sanyo wanted to put these games in their vcrs and this blew the whole deal. As soon as a company stops making money off a product and abandons it it should become public domain.
They didn't care when millions of pc users could get access to roms of their games. Why are they then upset if 100,000 people can play THOSE EXACT SAME ROMS on dvds? They considered the market dead enough to not defend their rights when the roms were on pc. My question is why does the particular machine matter? Would it be okay if Dulux called this a pc with a dvd drive, but only tv support (no monitor output)? And no keyboard, no mouse? And no general purpose os? It would still be the same product. But it would then be a 'pc' running those same roms that have been up on the web forever.
There are a bunch of dvd players that let you play 3d0 games. Because the 3d0 is dead. What the hell do they care? Are they a company anymore? Beats me. This does suggest a good way for console companies to make money off old consoles in the future. Too bad they didn't think of it themselves. But I remain unconvinced that roms that are unthreatening to them on pc are suddenly threatening on a dvd player. How many people own pcs? Now how many own a dvd player?
If i set my computer up as a shoutcast server and stream music that I created myself using public domain and personally created loops, that i am the copyright holder of.... guess what will happen to me? The RIAA will ask for royalties, on the ASSUMPTION that every web streamer is going to stream some music they own rights to. I will refuse, and then they can take me to court.
WTF? And you support them. I only want the right to control my own music. And in 'the interest of the artists' the RIAA is going to sue me. Your post was ass-backwards. I WANT the right to say how my music can be distributed, but the RIAA will NOT allow me to exercise that right. Really. When I buy cds to burn MY music I pay a fee to them because they assume I'm going to copy some Blink 182 or something. Again, guilty by default. Why should I have to support my biggest competitor when I buy the tools I need to compete with them? Does that system look rigged to anyone else? The RIAA is the one with, as you say *NO FSCHING RIGHTS* (sic) to do what they've been doing.
By the way loudmouth, copyright infringement is not theft, it's copyright infringement. Which is not piracy, piracy involves ships and parrots and violence. Copyright infringement is, legally, about the same as jaywalking - except that jaywalking can actually put people in danger, and copyright infringement can only have the minor effect of denying a corporation money.
RIAA is arguing that while ASCAP and BMI can collect royalties for the performance side of streamed media, the RIAA is entitled to royalties because THE PART OF THE SONG IN YOUR COMPUTER'S BUFFER MEMORY IS A PHYSICAL COPY OF THE SONG!
Yes, they're saying they can collect royalties because you have in effect bought a physical copy of the music. It's like an evaporating cd i guess.... Satan himself would be proud of the RIAA for this little idea.
The RIAA plans to demand ALL streamers pay them royalties, on the assumption that riaa artists' music will be played at some point. If you say "no, I won't play their music", they'll take you to court and you can try to defend yourself there. They ASSUME you are stealing from them until you PROVE you're innocent after they sue you. Man, didn't I hear something about a country where you were assumed innocent until proven guilty?
I also think they're arguing that the part of the song in your computer's buffer memory constitutes a physical copy being made, hence the royalties to the RIAA. BUT, you must still ALSO pay royalties to BMI and ASCAP to cover the performance royalties. So in essence they're saying that streaming music should have to pay physical royalties and performance royalties. Now how they can think that one thing equals two things (1 == 2? not in my calculator) I don't know. If it's a performance, it's not a physical copy sale. If it's a physical copy sale, it's not a performance.
very good point. don't waste your mod points on the dvd player that plays sega games plz.
Since all these roms were lifted from a web site, it looks to me like Dulix has a good argument: the original copyright holders have stopped enforcing their copyright rights because there is no commercial market for these games, and have thus already forfeited them. There is also no loss to them by Dulux including the games, it's not like we're now buying games from Dulux that we would have otherwise bought from Sega. It's not like Sega even has these games to sell anymore. Intellectual property must be vigorously defended or it will eventuall become public domain. There are already many dvd players that let you play 3d0 games. They haven't been sued. Shinco has a player that plays genesis games. They haven't been sued.
Agree? Disagree? Why?
Couldn't find any info on output! You're freaking kidding me! When it makes a big point of outputting in PAL or NTSC?
You forgot your login? Well try to remember it... and try to remember to read articles before commenting on them.
DID YOU LOOK AT THE SITE? DID YOU LOOK AT THE SPECS? DID YOU LOOK AT THE FEATURE COMPARISON?
Obviously not moron. Or you would see that it has DTS. And it has composite video. Making your post offensive to me. Check out the material before you blather and try to show off your audio geekness.
look at www.250dvd.com There's a rear pic where you can see Afreey. Look up reviews of the Afreey ld-2060, my best guess as to what this actually is. All the reviews are positive so farm
If this is an Afreey ld-2060 as it looks like (you can see afreey on it on a rear pic on www.250dvd.com, and has same features, price) then the afreey ld-2060 does support svcd. It ALSO supports 'mini-dvds', cdrs burned with dvd authoring software to give you 15 minutes of dvd video on a cdr.
Someone posted a link to other sites by the company, like this one: www.250dvd.com
Look at the rear picture. It IS an Afreey. I can't make out the model numbers, etc, but it is the same maker, and with all the same features i'm sure it's the same model. so if you'd be happy with it w/o the games (about half seem to be genesis games by the way) why not get 721 games thrown in?
try looking at the specs and the comparison chart buddy.
I've already counted you out.
Why is it that ROM sites are ok? But putting roms in a dvd player isn't? Where is the pc ethically superior to a dvd player?
As everyone has been saying - the Master System is a dead console! There is no market for it! It is still covered by copyright law, but only because the law is bad. Can you buy a sega master system from sega? If not, then why not grab this?
Is anyone BUYING a sega master system? Anywhere? No.
So there is what..... zero market for it?
And this post about it being unethical - it came from a game emulation site! Why is it ethical on a pc, and not on a dvd player?
A 'fan' of the Grateful Dead? How does he have any legal standing to bring a lawsuit against someone selling (assuming they are for the sake of argument) illegal copies of music by the Grateful Dead? He's not a copyright holder of the songs, the recordings, anything. The case should have been rejected outright since he's not an interested party in any legal sense.
may i suggest we start with your head? c'mon!
even if you didn't finish the article, which clearly labeled itself as satire, didn't you see the hundred posts about it being a fake in this discussion?
Watch 'Pirates of Silicon Valley'. An excellent geek movie, and does a good job of showing the maneuvering microsoft did to buy DOS from someone else and then turn around and sell it to IBM - right after they'd promised IBM that they had a great OS.
PPPPLLLLLEEEEEAAAAASSSSSEEEEE read the article BEFORE commenting on it. Notice at the bottom where it SAYS THAT IT'S SATIRE??! Even better, this exact same 'hurry up and post' mentality has generated a ton of posts on that site as well with people doing this same thing, and also ignoring the posts about 'hey read the article first'. You realize this means that i don't ever believe you read articles now, you fall into the post for post-ings sake group.
Please read the whole article! it's satire!
An Open Letter from Moore to Gore
Dear Vice-President Gore:
Hi! How are you! It's been awhile since we've talked. Everything OK?
Sorry. Enough teasing. I've been getting a lot of calls from your friends and supporters. Man, are they freaked out! They actually think you are going to lose. Talk about no faith in the quarterback! Hasn't anyone told them that Bush didn't even win his OWN Republican primary in Michigan? "Swing state?" Ha!
According to your people, all Ralph or I have to do is wave a magic wand and the Nader voters will "come back to Gore."
Look, Al, you have screwed up -- big time. By now, you should have sent that smirking idiot back to Texas with a copy of "Hooked on Phonics" in his hands. You should have wiped the floor with him during the three debates. But you didn't. And now your people are calling ME, asking ME to do the job YOU'VE failed to do! Jeez, I've got enough on my plate these days, between work and the holidays coming up and the leaves I should be raking -- and now I'm supposed to save YOU? Unbelievable!
If you recall, I sent you a personal letter back in June asking you why I should vote for you instead of Ralph Nader for President. You sent me a four-page reply, thanking me for my "provocative letter," and outlining the VERY reasons that I knew would find you in the predicament you are in this week.
There is something I think you don't understand. You don't realize that it's YOU and the Democrats that are responsible for the possibility of Bush winning next Tuesday. Instead of being men (we aren't putting any women on the ticket yet, are we?) and owning up to your mistakes, you and your people are blaming some rumpled senior citizen lawyer who is only following his conscience. I mean, really! Ralph Nader has devoted his entire life to making the rest of our lives better. Because of him we have the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act, the EPA, OSHA, airbags and seatbelts, the Freedom of Information Act -- the list goes on and on. What have YOU done to save a few million lives?
Yet, you attack this decent man and those who support him. Let's get one thing straight -- we didn't leave you, YOU left us. You and your "New Democrats" abandoned the poor, the working class, and the middle class. Your support for NAFTA has cost hundreds of thousands of people -- your very supporters -- their jobs. In my hometown of Flint, 32,000 GM jobs have been lost since you and Clinton took office. That's 5,000 MORE GM jobs than were lost there during the ENTIRE 12 years of Reagan/Bush! Are you even aware that two-thirds of the school children in Flint live below the federal poverty level? And you wonder why the race in Michigan is so close! These people you left behind had nowhere else to go EXCEPT to Nader -- unless they choose to just stay home on Election Day, which is what the majority of them will do.
You and the Democrats have created the monster know as "W." There were more layoffs in the U.S. last year than in any year in the past decade. There were more family bankruptcies filed last year than any year in our history. The average family carries more personal debt now than any time since the Great Depression. And yet, you cynically take a bus ride through the Midwest calling it "The Great Lakes Prosperity Tour." Has it crossed your mind why the majority of the "swing states" where the election is too close to call are in the rust belt that begins in Missouri and extends to Pennsylvania?
Your attempts to scare Nader voters have only backfired on you. Once NARAL started running its anti-Nader ads in Minnesota, Ralph jumped up to 10% in the polls! People are not stupid. You can howl all you want about how "Bush will appoint Supreme Court justices like Scalia and Clarence Thomas." But we the people know who voted to PUT that right-wing nut Antonin Scalia on the court. It was YOU, Al Gore, the senator from Tennessee who stood up and voted "YEA!" the day Scalia was confirmed in the Senate! If we ever lose Roe v. Wade, YOU are the one with the blood on your hands, and those of us, including Ralph Nader, who fought the Scalia nomination, will never forget the jeopardy you and your fellow Democrats put women in with that vote. And when 11 of your Democratic senators voted to put Clarence Thomas on the Court, giving him the slim 52 to 48 majority he needed, your party (which was in control of the Senate at that time!) threatened every woman in America. For the love of God, do NOT have the audacity to come at us now with your scare tactics about how women may lose the right to chose. You have no credibility.
So, what do we do? One thing is certain -- George W. Bush MUST NEVER SIT IN THE OVAL OFFICE. Having met both you and George W. in person, and realizing that the two of you are in agreement on most issues, I did come away with the distinct feeling that there IS one difference between you and the governor of Texas.
George W. Bush is a banal, despicable, and corrupt human being.
And you, sir, are not. Don't get me wrong -- you believe in a lot of evil things (how sad I was to watch you during the debate as you sat there in silent agreement while Bush licked his lips at the thought of executing three men). However, as a human being, I believe you are a decent guy, a good father and husband, and somewhere deep down you have a heart and a conscience. I honestly believe that about you. So what happened?
I want Ralph Nader to get millions of votes on Tuesday. I have seen the response to Ralph at numerous huge rallies across the country. There is a progressive movement afoot in America and it needs to explode into a majority movement -- beginning now, not four years from now.
I truly believe Nader is closer to how the majority of Americans feel than either you or Bush. Go ahead, ask around. The majority of Americans want REAL health insurance, a living wage, a chance to be represented by a union, less money wasted on the Pentagon, and no one wants to wear clothes made by a 12-year old in an Asian "free trade" sweatshop. If the media and you hadn't just woken up to the Nader campaign, if you had welcomed him into the debates, we all would have been discussing THESE issues months ago -- and you would have quickly learned how Americans feel about them.
OK, so you missed an opportunity to do the right thing. Now you are asking us to pull you out of your mistake and prevent the reign of terror a Bush presidency will bring us.
How do you want to do this? What will you give the working poor and the young people who have decided to desert you next Tuesday? I am willing to discuss anything short of Ralph not getting 5% of the vote. He can obtain that goal AND Bush can be defeated. They are not mutually exclusive.
But the ball is in your court, not ours. I will not feel one iota of guilt should you screw up and lose on Tuesday. The blame I do share is that I voted for you and Bill in 1992. And I have spent the last 8 years doing what I could, in my own small ways, to try and stop the hemorrhaging that your administration caused.
Did I ever tell you the story about Buell Elementary in Flint? I helped build a computer lab there so that the kids (83% of them live in poverty) would have the same leg up as the students in the wealthier districts.
But you and the President eliminated federal assistance for millions of poor mothers. This year, one of those mothers, living near Buell Elementary, faced eviction from her home. She had to put her kids up at a relative's house so she could at least keep her "welfare-to-work" assignment. Under your watch, she became a victim of your policies, was loaded onto a bus each day and, for 12 hours, transported to and from a wealthy white suburb to work at "Dick Clark's All-American Restaurant." Her 6-year old, homeless, was forced to stay with his uncle. One day, last February, while his mother worked off her welfare payments at the All-American restaurant, that little 6-year old found his uncle's gun, took it to school, and shot a 6-year old girl in the neck, just as they were on their way down to work on the computers I had bought for them.
Have you had a chance, Mr. Gore, to hear the 911 call from the teacher as she was trying to stop the geyser of blood shooting out from that 6-year old girl's neck just before she died? You should hear it. She's the recipient of what you call "welfare reform."
I am reachable by phone or e-mail.
Yours,
Michael Moore
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When's the last campaing promise you saw upheld?
Oh, never? Because Bush and Gore are both lying sacks of shit who refuse to answer truthfully. Neither one will change anything. They've both already been bought. If you knowingly vote for scum, you deserve what happens. The only reason that 'only gore or bush can win' is because you insist on believing its true. It's not a fact of nature. It's not a law. It's an idea put in your head 2000 times a day by a manipulative media, but it's just a much a lie as the idea that as soon as you start drinking Bud beer the swedish bikini team will appear and start frolicking with you.