RSH--
Thx for the feedback...we do see the world being pulled this direction in the long term. It is most efficient to use P2P architecture to pull all these computers out there together...yet keeping individual data secure will be a challenge.
I'll ask our CTO to weigh in on this...so keep watch the next few days. He's not available for comment right away, but I know he might have some good things to add to this.
(PS--Thanks to all who have e-mailed me so far, your input is very valuable!)
--BRN
This has already been built. 312, Inc. did it.
tell me if anyone is interested in blowing the dust off it again. We killed it November of 2004 because a lot of people didn't want to trust random people to store their encrypted files.
I'd love to get this back out the door...does anyone think there would be demand? We've spent 2 years developing. Any ideas on how my company could recoup some of that investment?? A fair pricing method?
The software exists...I just want to know how to unleash it, and it's been terribly frustrating as people somehow missed the value of it last year.
Looking for any feedback....send an e-mail to sales@312inc[dot]com (I don't want my personal account spammed) if you want to contact me directly with ideas on how to market our product.
For now, we are charging ahead with "BitVault" which is like all the models you guys are complaining about. If we can figure out how to sell LeanOnMe at a fair price...we'd do it.
Thanks! www.312inc.com (google for cached websites and documents regarding our past software R&D efforts)
sorry...you won't find LeanOnMe at www.312inc.com anymore..I was just letting you know the company website (under more reconstruction at the moment) of the LOM creator. LOM was discussed in many places last year, and a Google search may yield some reviews, and slashdot discussion as well.
More documentation of BitVault is to come in a few weeks, sorry there isn't much available online yet. (yes...I work for the company (312, Inc.) for free...I'm a co-founder)
We tried to sell a $50 piece of software that did exactly this...called LeanOnMe (www.312inc.com)
There wasn't much demand for it...so 312 is buckling to the pressure to support our R&D with the "traditional model" that you guys say is so expensive with our prodcut "BitVault", and the soon to be named BitVault "home" that will back up individual PC's to a server we will maintain.
We would be more than pleased if we could find a market for "LOM". It makes perfect sense to get a backup co-op going, and we had produced a perfect, platform independent, encrypted piece of software to do it. And almost ran ourselves out of business chasing that idea one year ago.
I run a company (312) that has put out an online solution, LeanOnMe. It is less expensive, is safe and secure, and handles text files in a breeze. It's automatic and easy to use as well. Platform independent too.
Backup to multiple computers online, and you are even more secure.
The second hard drive option is effective too, assuming your computer is in a safe place. Otherwise, distributed solutions work better.
PS--
long day---eyes bleary...i meant through end of October (hurricae season)...give the hurricane e-mail instructions to your friends down in the islands as well...anyone that could use LeanOnMe. We really are trying to help...we even walked flyers though our own neighborhoods with fallen trees and no power here in Orlando with our free offer. What else can a tiny company with it's first product do to help? As soon as people were back online, we could help prevent the loss of pictures and spreadsheets and whatever else even if we can't keep your roof on in the next hurricane. We decided to do what we do best.
Anyone else that reads this, feel free to jump in on the offer. P2P really does work!
Category 3 spawned a few tornados.
IV...can't say that I have. We still had to solve the problem, and luckily, as I said in a post to someone else in this thread, our company 312 had developed a P2P solution, LeanOnMe. It was in Beta when Charley struck. Backups were already made automatically. After a harrowing weekend, we still released v. 1.0 the next monday.
download our trial and send an e-mail to: sales[at]312inc[dot]com and mention "hurricane", and I'll make sure you get a few keys to use our software for free and you can give the other keys to family or friends in safer areas! (till the end of september)
A kind gesture from the CEO...we feel your pain here in Orlando. It is not as intense here, we had trucks restoring power and delivering aid from the rest of America within days. You are so far out to sea, I imagine the trouble will continue for some time. God Bless.
I lived out the Charley storm in Orlando at our CTO's house! He has an interior bathroom incase a tornado hit. Everyroom in my house has a glass window. Strangely, our office at the UCF Tech Incubator was the only place for miles that seemed to not lose power or hiccup! We ALL backed up using LeanOnMe Beta before Charely. We released 1.0 on Monday after Charley.
Look---I hate to look like a shameless promoter, but we seriously dealt with what Cringely was talking about...and had the solution to deal with it. To try to get some good Karma and not look so shameless, I'll pass on the offer below to any readers:
We did our best to do our part to help Orlando recover. In case you are interested, try out our software at www.312inc.com download the trial. Anyone that sends an e-mail to us at sales[at]312inc[dot]com with the word "hurricane" can have a free copy of the first software to put P2P backup to the test in the real world. We'll keep that offer open to anyone that reads this until 30 Sept. 2004. I'll make sure a key is sent to you to make the trial version run permanently.
http://esd.element5.com/demoreg.html?productid=532 751&languageid=1
It was quite a storm! I had data backed up to London, Barcelona, and to my sister in Phoenix. I felt a lot safer.
PS--
any "client" (desktop or server) can be set (or later choose) to be a rendevous, thus truly becoming peer to peer. one does not need a server, just to designate one or more rendevous among the existing hardware.
Your point is well thought out. Use LeanOnMe and set up an internal p2p network using JXTA rendevous servers inside the company network. An isolated p2p LAN is established...312 offers this as a solution to keep data in and prying eyes out. so, it is possible to keep data away from the unwashed masses using existing technology.
as for most hard drives, the research shows that most are still mostly free.
i am a co-founder of 312.
312 chose to use a passphrase with LeanOnMe. A passphrase encrypts your data, and the only place that passphrase is stored is in the user's head, unless they go writing it under a desk drawer. The password to access data remotely is stored on your hard drive (and an LDAP server to authenticate user ID's so we can help recover from a total disaster---the rest of the system is JXTA P2P). The password is encrypted and can only be unlocked via your passphrase. We hope to incorporate easier methodologies as the technology becomes available.
Don't send a CD to grandma...just pick a nice long passphrase. First line of a favorite poem?? Something not too difficult to remember? Anyway, there is always a bigger idiot, we will be working to make this software easier to use.
Yes I said "we". I am a co-founder of 312, Inc.
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You might be the third person to suggest this...I think we'll take a hard look. Thanks for the feedback. --BN
RSH-- Thx for the feedback...we do see the world being pulled this direction in the long term. It is most efficient to use P2P architecture to pull all these computers out there together...yet keeping individual data secure will be a challenge. I'll ask our CTO to weigh in on this...so keep watch the next few days. He's not available for comment right away, but I know he might have some good things to add to this. (PS--Thanks to all who have e-mailed me so far, your input is very valuable!) --BRN
This has already been built. 312, Inc. did it. tell me if anyone is interested in blowing the dust off it again. We killed it November of 2004 because a lot of people didn't want to trust random people to store their encrypted files. I'd love to get this back out the door...does anyone think there would be demand? We've spent 2 years developing. Any ideas on how my company could recoup some of that investment?? A fair pricing method? The software exists...I just want to know how to unleash it, and it's been terribly frustrating as people somehow missed the value of it last year. Looking for any feedback....send an e-mail to sales@312inc[dot]com (I don't want my personal account spammed) if you want to contact me directly with ideas on how to market our product. For now, we are charging ahead with "BitVault" which is like all the models you guys are complaining about. If we can figure out how to sell LeanOnMe at a fair price...we'd do it. Thanks! www.312inc.com (google for cached websites and documents regarding our past software R&D efforts)
sorry...you won't find LeanOnMe at www.312inc.com anymore..I was just letting you know the company website (under more reconstruction at the moment) of the LOM creator. LOM was discussed in many places last year, and a Google search may yield some reviews, and slashdot discussion as well. More documentation of BitVault is to come in a few weeks, sorry there isn't much available online yet. (yes...I work for the company (312, Inc.) for free...I'm a co-founder)
We tried to sell a $50 piece of software that did exactly this...called LeanOnMe (www.312inc.com)
There wasn't much demand for it...so 312 is buckling to the pressure to support our R&D with the "traditional model" that you guys say is so expensive with our prodcut "BitVault", and the soon to be named BitVault "home" that will back up individual PC's to a server we will maintain.
We would be more than pleased if we could find a market for "LOM". It makes perfect sense to get a backup co-op going, and we had produced a perfect, platform independent, encrypted piece of software to do it. And almost ran ourselves out of business chasing that idea one year ago.
I run a company (312) that has put out an online solution, LeanOnMe. It is less expensive, is safe and secure, and handles text files in a breeze. It's automatic and easy to use as well. Platform independent too. Backup to multiple computers online, and you are even more secure. The second hard drive option is effective too, assuming your computer is in a safe place. Otherwise, distributed solutions work better.
PS-- long day---eyes bleary...i meant through end of October (hurricae season)...give the hurricane e-mail instructions to your friends down in the islands as well...anyone that could use LeanOnMe. We really are trying to help...we even walked flyers though our own neighborhoods with fallen trees and no power here in Orlando with our free offer. What else can a tiny company with it's first product do to help? As soon as people were back online, we could help prevent the loss of pictures and spreadsheets and whatever else even if we can't keep your roof on in the next hurricane. We decided to do what we do best. Anyone else that reads this, feel free to jump in on the offer. P2P really does work!
Category 3 spawned a few tornados. IV...can't say that I have. We still had to solve the problem, and luckily, as I said in a post to someone else in this thread, our company 312 had developed a P2P solution, LeanOnMe. It was in Beta when Charley struck. Backups were already made automatically. After a harrowing weekend, we still released v. 1.0 the next monday. download our trial and send an e-mail to: sales[at]312inc[dot]com and mention "hurricane", and I'll make sure you get a few keys to use our software for free and you can give the other keys to family or friends in safer areas! (till the end of september) A kind gesture from the CEO...we feel your pain here in Orlando. It is not as intense here, we had trucks restoring power and delivering aid from the rest of America within days. You are so far out to sea, I imagine the trouble will continue for some time. God Bless.
I lived out the Charley storm in Orlando at our CTO's house! He has an interior bathroom incase a tornado hit. Everyroom in my house has a glass window. Strangely, our office at the UCF Tech Incubator was the only place for miles that seemed to not lose power or hiccup! We ALL backed up using LeanOnMe Beta before Charely. We released 1.0 on Monday after Charley. Look---I hate to look like a shameless promoter, but we seriously dealt with what Cringely was talking about...and had the solution to deal with it. To try to get some good Karma and not look so shameless, I'll pass on the offer below to any readers: We did our best to do our part to help Orlando recover. In case you are interested, try out our software at www.312inc.com download the trial. Anyone that sends an e-mail to us at sales[at]312inc[dot]com with the word "hurricane" can have a free copy of the first software to put P2P backup to the test in the real world. We'll keep that offer open to anyone that reads this until 30 Sept. 2004. I'll make sure a key is sent to you to make the trial version run permanently. http://esd.element5.com/demoreg.html?productid=532 751&languageid=1
It was quite a storm! I had data backed up to London, Barcelona, and to my sister in Phoenix. I felt a lot safer.
PS-- any "client" (desktop or server) can be set (or later choose) to be a rendevous, thus truly becoming peer to peer. one does not need a server, just to designate one or more rendevous among the existing hardware.
Your point is well thought out. Use LeanOnMe and set up an internal p2p network using JXTA rendevous servers inside the company network. An isolated p2p LAN is established...312 offers this as a solution to keep data in and prying eyes out. so, it is possible to keep data away from the unwashed masses using existing technology. as for most hard drives, the research shows that most are still mostly free. i am a co-founder of 312.
312 chose to use a passphrase with LeanOnMe. A passphrase encrypts your data, and the only place that passphrase is stored is in the user's head, unless they go writing it under a desk drawer. The password to access data remotely is stored on your hard drive (and an LDAP server to authenticate user ID's so we can help recover from a total disaster---the rest of the system is JXTA P2P). The password is encrypted and can only be unlocked via your passphrase. We hope to incorporate easier methodologies as the technology becomes available. Don't send a CD to grandma...just pick a nice long passphrase. First line of a favorite poem?? Something not too difficult to remember? Anyway, there is always a bigger idiot, we will be working to make this software easier to use. Yes I said "we". I am a co-founder of 312, Inc.