/. is not what it was, but then again it never was:-).
I miss the.bruce.perens/bruce.perens/bruce.perens./ wars.. and the "information wants to be wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" guy:-). And who could forget sig11's "will the real Bruce Perens please stand up" ?
But Tim Potter (old Samba Team member) and I loved the trolls:-).
Yes, I'm Jeremy Allison - the original poster. I created Samba along with tridge (he was there first, and is much smarter than me though:-). I thought that was obvious, sorry:-).
There isn't a court-ordered requirement for them to test it. There's a market enforced requirement:-).
Go into Frys (or local Geek store). Look at all the NAS boxes on the shelf. That's all Samba. Every one.
Now imagine you're Microsoft. A new version of Windows comes out and it doesn't work against all the "home NAS media servers" people have. Ooops:-(.
They test against Samba *all the time*, as it's good for their business to do so.
They also go a little above and beyond by helping test the AD server part of Samba (which isn't in wide production use yet) - they do that in their interop labs up in Redmond.
They provide free food for the engineers working late up there. It's not as good as the free Google food (but then again, hey - what is ?:-):-).
Possibly their marketing and senior exec's hate it (although I doubt that - Thomas Pfenning is at director level in the Windows org and he think's it's pretty cool.
That's funny. I feel *exactly* the same way about public fire service. Why should *I* pay to subsidize the lazy bums who have fires in their houses. Makes my taxes go up - takes more money out of my pocket. After all, I'm sure I could negotiate with the fire-service people after my house is on FIRE to get the rate down. It's not like it's a service everyone needs, right ?
Sigh. Libertarians. What *would* we do for comedy without them...
Sure, I can believe as an NHS nurse she had lots of horror stories about how broken the system is. I can tell you lots of horror stories about how broken every company I've ever worked for is:-).
But (and I'm sorry to hear she passed away so you can't ask here) I very much doubt that she would have preferred to impose the US-style system on her patients, had she had experience of both systems.
I live in the US, and I'd pay double my taxes just to get a working NHS over here. Having experience of both systems I know what I'm talking about. It's the peace of mind.
If you've never had it, and only lived in the US system you won't really understand what I'm talking about. It's like trying to describe color (note the spelling there:-) to a blind person. But I'll try.
Imagine just NOT HAVING TO WORRY about healthcare or costs. Seriously - NOT HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT IT AT ALL. Ever. That's what the NHS brings to people's lives.
People over there complain about it, but that's because they also don't understand how truely disfunctional the US system is. They (people in the UK) have no concept of being made bankrupt and homeless by healthcare costs. They just can't imagine it.
"I just lost all my savings paying my wife's health costs"
Wow. Just, wow. The fact you consider losing all your savings preferable to a National Health Service is, well..., just really *sad*.
I know it's true, because I live here. But I'm always astounded when I'm reminded how Americans have absolutely no concept of what a civilized society really looks like.
Damn, and you were doing so well there for a minute....
But then you criticised the NHS (National Health Service, for non-Brits).
Now most other things about the UK can be considered shitty (as with the US), but the one thing that *DOES* work in the UK is the NHS.
Don't fuck with it. No one wants a US-style (aka built by and for private insurance companies) healthcare "system" (in quotes because it really doesn't work over here) in the UK.
I worked at Batchelors foods with Steve Singleton from ABC before they made it big. He saved me from being beaten up by the resident bully. It's a funny ole' world:-).
The information came from someone within Microsoft who would have known at the time . Still, you make the best of what you have. The main advantage of SMB2 is that the Windows client redirector was completely rewritten and will now do pipelining of reads and writes. No reason that couldn't have been done in SMB1 - Volker did it for our smbclient libraries - but I believe Microsoft were really scared of messing with the SMB1 code. Everyone who knew it well had already left:-) . One of the benefits of no money in Open Source code, most of the original Samba authors are still working on it:-).
You don't need likewise-open (which might now be better named "likewise-closed" as it's been sold off to another company, probably to "monetize" all the suckers who installed the "free" version:-). Winbindd which ships with Samba will do the authentication and is developed and tested in conjunction with the rest of Samba.
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And it still probably won't come with an offer for source code (sigh :-).
Jeremy.
You do realize that many enterprise storage servers made by companies like IBM, Symantec, EMC, Dell etc. are or have been based on Samba code, right ?
Nah, probably not... :-). After all, you know that only Windows storage servers work with Windows clients don't you :-).
Jeremy
/. is not what it was, but then again it never was :-).
I miss the .bruce.perens/bruce.perens/bruce.perens./ wars.. and the "information wants to be wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" guy :-). And who could forget sig11's "will the real Bruce Perens please stand up" ?
But Tim Potter (old Samba Team member) and I loved the trolls :-).
Jeremy.
Yes, I'm Jeremy Allison - the original poster. I created Samba along with tridge (he was there first, and is much smarter than me though :-). I thought that was obvious, sorry :-).
Jeremy.
There isn't a court-ordered requirement for them to test it. There's a market enforced requirement :-).
Go into Frys (or local Geek store). Look at all the NAS boxes on the shelf. That's all Samba. Every one.
Now imagine you're Microsoft. A new version of Windows comes out and it doesn't work against all the "home NAS media servers" people have. Ooops :-(.
They test against Samba *all the time*, as it's good for their business to do so.
They also go a little above and beyond by helping test the AD server part of Samba (which isn't in wide production use yet) - they do that in their interop labs up in Redmond.
They provide free food for the engineers working late up there. It's not as good as the free Google food (but then again, hey - what is ? :-) :-).
Jeremy.
Oh you mean corporations like IBM, EMC, Netgear, WDC,Google ? Yeah, the GPLv3 really scared them :-).
Listen to my presentation here:
http://www.softwarefreedom.org/podcast/2011/may/10/why-samba-switched-to-GPLv3/
to explain why GPLv3 is a *better* license for commercial use the GPLv2.
Jeremy.
Possibly their marketing and senior exec's hate it (although I doubt that - Thomas Pfenning is at director level in the Windows org and he think's it's pretty cool.
But I know their engineers think it's cool :-).
Jeremy.
In the words of Francis Urquart:
"You might think that. I couldn't possibly comment.." :-).
It's just an AD server. Why would running under Virtualization environments, Hyper-V, Multiple AD servers, matter ?
Jeremy.
Yes :-). That's why you can use the Windows tools to administer Samba4.0 AD server :-).
Jeremy.
Ahem. Microsoft provided a positive quote for the press release, and were involved in bug fixing to ensure interoperability.
So no, I don't think they hate it :-).
Jeremy.
Oh, the old "government is the *problem*" crazy.
I'm sure you only drive on roads you paved yourself, in a house you built, eating food you grew in your own garden.
You probably make an exception on books though, and read Ayn Rand instead of only books you wrote yourself :-).
Yeah, I'm such an evil collectivist. I even pay taxes ! (and I want to pay *MORE TAX*, how about that for a scare story to tell your kids at night :-).
That's funny. I feel *exactly* the same way about public fire service. Why should *I* pay to subsidize the lazy bums who have fires in their houses. Makes my taxes go up - takes more money out of my pocket. After all, I'm sure I could negotiate with the fire-service people after my house is on FIRE to get the rate down. It's not like it's a service everyone needs, right ?
Sigh. Libertarians. What *would* we do for comedy without them...
> Jeremy Allison: I don't know how you can even live in the same country as morons who truly believe this shit.
Sad to say....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Sutton :-).
> As an american, i can't imagine being made bankrupt and
> homeless by healthcare costs, That just doesn't happen, but
> good argument i suppose.
Just doesn't happen, eh ?
From that well known communist daily, Bloomberg's BusinessWeek:
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/jun2009/db2009064_666715.htm
You may be right wing, but you don't get to have your own facts. The real world always impinges.
Sure, I can believe as an NHS nurse she had lots of horror stories about how broken the system is. I can tell you lots of horror stories about how broken every company I've ever worked for is :-).
But (and I'm sorry to hear she passed away so you can't ask here) I very much doubt that she would have preferred to impose the US-style system on her patients, had she had experience of both systems.
I live in the US, and I'd pay double my taxes just to get a working NHS over here. Having experience of both systems I know what I'm talking about. It's the peace of mind.
If you've never had it, and only lived in the US system you won't really understand what I'm talking about. It's like trying to describe color (note the spelling there :-) to a blind person. But I'll try.
Imagine just NOT HAVING TO WORRY about healthcare or costs. Seriously - NOT HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT IT AT ALL. Ever. That's what the NHS brings to people's lives.
People over there complain about it, but that's because they also don't understand how truely disfunctional the US system is. They (people in the UK) have no concept of being made bankrupt and homeless by healthcare costs. They just can't imagine it.
I just read your message again...
"I just lost all my savings paying my wife's health costs"
Wow. Just, wow. The fact you consider losing all your savings preferable to a National Health Service is, well..., just really *sad*.
I know it's true, because I live here. But I'm always astounded when I'm reminded how Americans have absolutely no concept of what a civilized society really looks like.
Oh, you read it in the Daily Mail ! It *MUST* be true then :-).
See here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI
for details...
Damn, and you were doing so well there for a minute....
But then you criticised the NHS (National Health Service, for non-Brits).
Now most other things about the UK can be considered shitty (as with the US), but the one thing that *DOES* work in the UK is the NHS.
Don't fuck with it. No one wants a US-style (aka built by and for private insurance companies) healthcare "system" (in quotes because it really doesn't work over here) in the UK.
I worked at Batchelors foods with Steve Singleton from ABC before they made it big. He saved me from being beaten up by the resident bully. It's a funny ole' world :-).
Jeremy.
For US readers who might not know about the Daily Mail I'll just leave this here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI
Please don't post links to Daily Mail "news".
Cheers,
Jeremy.
But no "Lord of Light". How you can rate the Amber stuff and not include "Lord of Light" is beyond me..
But Rob,
How can the Samba Team Trolls annoy you now ? What a loss to humanity... Tim Potter will be gutted :-(. :-).
So long and thanks for *everything* !
Jeremy.
The information came from someone within Microsoft who would have known at the time . Still, you make the best of what you have. The main advantage of SMB2 is that the Windows client redirector was completely rewritten and will now do pipelining of reads and writes. No reason that couldn't have been done in SMB1 - Volker did it for our smbclient libraries - but I believe Microsoft were really scared of messing with the SMB1 code. Everyone who knew it well had already left :-) . One of the benefits of no money in Open Source code, most of the original Samba authors are still working on it :-).
You don't need likewise-open (which might now be better named "likewise-closed" as it's been sold off to another company, probably to "monetize" all the suckers who installed the "free" version :-). Winbindd which ships with Samba will do the authentication and is developed and tested in conjunction with the rest of Samba.
Jeremy.