Yeah, but why do they say that? Partly because it's not safe to question the Chinese government's policies if you're in China. But partly because the government is trying to migrate from a technological block on hostile media to convincing people that those media are biased against the Chinese as a race. If the only time the official media mention CNN is like this -
Besides, the fear factor is what's REALLY going to scare most Chinese into avoiding "bad" sites. They're probably more afraid of being logged than blocked. Exactly.
I visited a company in Shenzen a year or so ago. I had a bunch of prototype mobile phones and SIM cards and fiddled around trying to use them as a data connection eventually one of them worked and I VPNd back to Europe to pick up email. It connected and I (stupidly) said "Actually I'm quite surprised that works here". The Chinese guy I was working with said "Why's that" and I said "Well since it's VPN no one can see what I'm doing".
I was working late, around 11pm and he was only other guy there, but there was an awkward silence at that point, since he didn't want to comment.
Oddly enough Nazi Germany did abide by the Geneva conventions with US/UK and other Western (as opposed to Russian) POWs. But they didn't have any qualms about carpet bombing civillians in the countries they did attack. Neither did the UK of course, and luckily they were better at it. The US did follow the Geneva convention and precision bombed until bomber losses became high. Then they switched to carpet bombing like their UK allies.
None of the other countries the US attacked had an issue with torturing POWs and I seriously doubt they would have worried much about targetting US civillians if they had of had the technology to attack the US. I'd say don't torture POWs or carpet bomb civillians, but don't worry too much that civillian botnets make civillians a target. If the US fights China for example, those civillians will be targetted with Chinese ICBMs regardless. It's a ruthless world out there, and your enemies play for keeps.
Or the US Gov't could just add a program to all of their active computers that relinquishes their idle time to the botnet. Sort of a militant version of Folding@home. (Civilians could even opt into this one.) I'd do it. Though the problem with that is that those civillians could run Ethereal or similar and work out what the botnet is attacking.
I suppose if one day we find ourselves on the wrong end of an occupation with say Chinese-Russia alliance that I personally hope they'll abide by the Geneva conventions. I seriously doubt that. Hell the Chinese don't even treat prisoners in China in accordance with the Geneva conventions. Google "Laogai" for some gruesome details.
Then why does Israel continue to give the Palestinians water and fuel? I thought that we'd stop getting fuel as soon as Gush Katif (the Zionist settlements in Gaza) were abandoned, but even now we are dependent upon them. Is it to keep us dependent? Can we not afford our own fuel? Water we have nowhere from where to get, but fuel we can buy. So why does Israel keep us dependent on them? Because they are civilised. Well, compared to the Palestinians at least.
If that offends you, imagine what Hamas/Hezbollah would do to the Jews if they were in the situation the Palestinians are in - utterly outclassed militarily. If they didn't leave, they'd all be dead in a few weeks.
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I dunno what code page slashdot is using. In fact if you cut'n'paste from webpages you need to replace all the Unicode characters with html character entities or straight 7 bit ASCII, which seems completely broken to me.
And imagine a Beowolf cluster, and if it ran Linux, etc etc. I've just stuck a Post It with "oodaloop" written on it to my voodoo doll and I'm sticking pins in it now. Can you feel anything?
Yeah, but considering there are lot less Linux users than Windows or Mac users it seems pretty silly to harass companies that try to support Linux like this.
And no, source code is not documentation when it comes to drivers, it's one person's interpretation of what they read/fiddled with to get it to work. Man up, nancy. I've written drivers using an IDA disassembly of a binary driver for another OS as documentation. And if you want drivers for Plan9, that's what you'll need to do.
1) Company releases some hardware 2) People complain about no Linux driver. 3) Company releases a Linux driver 4) People complain it's not open source, tell company if they release source the community will maintain it. 5) Company releases driver source code 6) People complain that the code is not documented or maintained
Turning down a client b/c they got on a blacklist is just stupid... They get a zombie machine within their network... thats easy to fix. Some RBLs are run by penny ante little tyrants and getting off the list can be a pain in the arse and an exercise in patience dealing with someone who seems to be 12. I've told you before Michael. Your request for removal from the list is due to be processed by our Parole Board once they are convinced you have been reformed by your Sentence. Spamming complaints under a pseudonym on websites will be noted by the Board and may result in your application being rejected once again, just like complaining to me personally will.
For this comment I will recommend to the board to move your hearing back one quarter, to Q3 2028.
Note that Parole Hearing dates mentioned are the earliest date, subject to work load. The board currently has a 66 month backlog.
Why do people say "you can read the code". Firstly, how many people who are actually skilled enough to read code critically have time to do that? And what's the chance out of the millions of lines of code in the kernel that they just happen to find the very few with bugs.
And how many of those are looking to fix old bugs as opposed to add new features? Bugs can exist in code that lots of people look at for 25 years.
Most subtle bugs can't be seen by reading code anyway, and you can't find them in a debugger because they are so hard to reproduce. Instead you need to form hypothesis about what the mechanism is, test them and then try possible fixes. And then get lots of people to test those.
Most interesting bugs only get understood/fixed when someone is affected by them. Having millions of people stare at the code to find one chance in a million is pointless. In fact it's worse than that since those people will be tempted to refactor working but ugly code intead of hunting for those hard to find bugs.
The concept is totally naive, IMO. Only people who've never found a very subtle bug would believe it.
Democracy is an inadequate substitute for freedom. European post-Christian socialism has produced an unsustainable society. The result will be a very different Europe in 50 years. I think the link between socialism and unassimilated immigrants is spot on. Lots of people have pointed out that Muslims in America are better integrated.
American immigration policy is strongly designed to encourage this. People can only come to America to work and once they arrive there is a path to citizenship.
Now lets see what happens in Sweden, where most immigrants are asylum seekers. They are prohibited from working but are given benefits and a house in a ghetto. Ok, it's a clean ghetto but still a ghetto. 82% male unemployment and almost entirely empty of native born Swedes.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4620167c-c3c9-11dc-b083-0000779fd2ac.html?nclick_check=1
At first sight, Malmö is everything you expect of a Scandinavian city: clean, pretty, cycle-haunted, quiet, overpriced, dull. Even the lights at pedestrian crossings click discreetly. I fancied that the police cars didn't have sirens but a recorded message saying "Excuse me!" But I never heard one. The main threat to a pedestrian comes from irate cyclists guarding their cycle lanes against trespassers. This does not feel like a place with problems.
That's partly because it is one of the most segregated cities in Europe. The migrants are concentrated in one district, Rosengârd, with the newest ones in the sub-district of Herrgarden, where the male unemployment rate is 82 per cent. Other locals mention these names with a shudder.
But if Rosengård is a slum or ghetto, it is a showpiece slum or ghetto. The blocks of flats - no more than eight stories high - are mostly well maintained. There is no more litter there than anywhere else in town. There are very few graffiti. And although there are many men and teenagers hanging round even on a weekday afternoon, the atmosphere is entirely unthreatening, indeed welcoming. (Very different, said our Danish photographer, from the equivalent areas in Copenhagen.) Within an hour of arrival, we were having coffee and pastries in a Turkish family kitchen. The seventh-floor flat was not opulent, but nor was it uncomfortable. Instinctive eastern hospitality battled with northern reserve and the migrant's understandable suspicion of the stranger. But it felt like a refuge against an uncertain world.
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In Herrgarden, kids from diverse backgrounds do mix. But at schools composed almost wholly of migrants, they find it hard to feel an attachment with wider society. "My passport says I'm Svensk[Swedish], but in the apartment, no," says Lulli's Turkish pal Nihad. "In Herrgarden, if someone has a problem, we help him. The Swedes, they are very cold. They shake hands. We kiss. Not like gays, like brothers."
Fuelled by resentment against native Swedes, some go into town on a Friday or Saturday night to indulge in a little light mugging of what they call "the Svens". The police think only about 150 youths are involved. At least these youngsters speak Swedish. For their parents, it can be much harder. Cushioned by social security but imprisoned by linguistic inadequacy, many of the unemployed hardly go out. The migrants are here physically, but many have not made the mental leap. Yup, pretty much as you'd expect giving people benefits but stopping them working creates an embittered, hostile underclass no matter how comfortable they are materially.
It's sad really, what seems like generosity is actually ruining the immigrants chance to integrate while the US's more hard edged policy is actually helping them.
if over 100 years you can't get a growing minority to share your values of freedom, then you have more fundamental problems than democracy. there is a fundamental problem with immigration and social policy in the country. That's what Mark Steyn is saying.
I suspect most of the ones in Muslim countries probably aren't fundamentalists but they need to keep quiet about that fact to avoid getting killed. I'm talking about the ones in Europe.
How many muslims have you met? How many christians have you met? Come on man, you live in a country that is nominally 70%+ christian and 1% muslim and yet you think you have equal exposure to the entire spectrum of both groups? I've never lived in a country that was 70% christian, luckily for me.
Remember, this is an international site and not everyone here is from the US. And in Europe most Muslims are fundamentalists and most Christians aren't.
I think you might have sent me the wrong link. It was a link to an article about two vaguely muslim men, taking advantage of white girls who liked ecstasy. I'm not saying the girls deserved it, but why do you think muslim men think that white girls are loose? Turn on the tv. Firstly there's nothing wrong with sexually liberated women, and secondly these were actually children. But even regarding adult sexually liberated women as inferior and therefore ok to gang rape, which these guys clearly did, makes them very bad members of society.
Basically, everything above (except maybe the kill-the-cartoonists bit) could be extrapolated from any fundamentalist group. That's really my point. We should get away from giving totalitarian groups protection from criticism because they call themselves religions.
And not all muslims are fundamentalist. Based on conversations with both Muslims and Christians I would say a much higher percentage of Muslims are fundamentalists. In fact I've met fundamentalists Muslims and effectively ex Muslims and that's it. That's not true of Christians. I've actually met lots who are basically ok despite the fact we disagree on the whole God thing and a very few crazy fundamentalists.
A large number of Christians are not fundamentalist because Christianity has been battered by conflict with secularism and has mostly eroded into something which is compatible with liberal society. That hasn't happened with Islam. In a Muslim country (or even in an area of a European country with lots of Muslims) saying that the Quran was not the literal word of God - i.e. not being a fundamentalist - would be very dangerous. Doing the same thing about the Bible would invite criticism but not physical danger. Which is the reason most Muslims are fundamentalist.
Christianity is only not protected now because Church lost a battle with secularism. One in a which people who made much more subtle criticisms of it than the Life of Brian got killed in very painful ways.
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Yeah, but why do they say that? Partly because it's not safe to question the Chinese government's policies if you're in China. But partly because the government is trying to migrate from a technological block on hostile media to convincing people that those media are biased against the Chinese as a race. If the only time the official media mention CNN is like this -
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/language_tips/cdaudio/2008-04/16/content_6621274.htm
It makes you less likely to believe CNN when they report the nasty things the Chinese government does. It's an ad hominem attack on the organisation
They do the same thing with web cafes too, by smearing them as unsafe -
http://www.clearharmony.net/articles/200210/7575.html
Essentially they want people to think that non official news sources are either run by anti Chinese racists or might burn you to death.
I visited a company in Shenzen a year or so ago. I had a bunch of prototype mobile phones and SIM cards and fiddled around trying to use them as a data connection eventually one of them worked and I VPNd back to Europe to pick up email. It connected and I (stupidly) said "Actually I'm quite surprised that works here". The Chinese guy I was working with said "Why's that" and I said "Well since it's VPN no one can see what I'm doing".
I was working late, around 11pm and he was only other guy there, but there was an awkward silence at that point, since he didn't want to comment.
Oddly enough Nazi Germany did abide by the Geneva conventions with US/UK and other Western (as opposed to Russian) POWs. But they didn't have any qualms about carpet bombing civillians in the countries they did attack. Neither did the UK of course, and luckily they were better at it. The US did follow the Geneva convention and precision bombed until bomber losses became high. Then they switched to carpet bombing like their UK allies.
None of the other countries the US attacked had an issue with torturing POWs and I seriously doubt they would have worried much about targetting US civillians if they had of had the technology to attack the US. I'd say don't torture POWs or carpet bomb civillians, but don't worry too much that civillian botnets make civillians a target. If the US fights China for example, those civillians will be targetted with Chinese ICBMs regardless. It's a ruthless world out there, and your enemies play for keeps.
If that offends you, imagine what Hamas/Hezbollah would do to the Jews if they were in the situation the Palestinians are in - utterly outclassed militarily. If they didn't leave, they'd all be dead in a few weeks.
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I dunno what code page slashdot is using. In fact if you cut'n'paste from webpages you need to replace all the Unicode characters with html character entities or straight 7 bit ASCII, which seems completely broken to me.
Yeah but the connection speeds you get over relakks are lousy if you leave it running for a few hours. They probably throttle too.
Yeah, but considering there are lot less Linux users than Windows or Mac users it seems pretty silly to harass companies that try to support Linux like this.
If they have less aesthetically concerned neighbours they could put the dish on that house and offer to pay for their internets.
A 20 foot high fibreglass gnome in the back garden would do the trick. You could paint nerd clothes on him too as an ironic thingy.
I thought that was the point of Open Source?
At the moment it seems like it works like
1) Company releases some hardware
2) People complain about no Linux driver.
3) Company releases a Linux driver
4) People complain it's not open source, tell company if they release source the community will maintain it.
5) Company releases driver source code
6) People complain that the code is not documented or maintained
I hope you're abroad you can get the Canadian flag off your rucksack quickly if the BC Human Rights Tribunal finds Mark Steyn not guilty.
For this comment I will recommend to the board to move your hearing back one quarter, to Q3 2028.
Note that Parole Hearing dates mentioned are the earliest date, subject to work load. The board currently has a 66 month backlog.
Then your world has been virtualised out from under you, Matrix style.
Why do people say "you can read the code". Firstly, how many people who are actually skilled enough to read code critically have time to do that? And what's the chance out of the millions of lines of code in the kernel that they just happen to find the very few with bugs.
And how many of those are looking to fix old bugs as opposed to add new features? Bugs can exist in code that lots of people look at for 25 years.
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/11/1339228
Most subtle bugs can't be seen by reading code anyway, and you can't find them in a debugger because they are so hard to reproduce. Instead you need to form hypothesis about what the mechanism is, test them and then try possible fixes. And then get lots of people to test those.
Most interesting bugs only get understood/fixed when someone is affected by them. Having millions of people stare at the code to find one chance in a million is pointless. In fact it's worse than that since those people will be tempted to refactor working but ugly code intead of hunting for those hard to find bugs.
The concept is totally naive, IMO. Only people who've never found a very subtle bug would believe it.
American immigration policy is strongly designed to encourage this. People can only come to America to work and once they arrive there is a path to citizenship.
Now lets see what happens in Sweden, where most immigrants are asylum seekers. They are prohibited from working but are given benefits and a house in a ghetto. Ok, it's a clean ghetto but still a ghetto. 82% male unemployment and almost entirely empty of native born Swedes.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4620167c-c3c9-11dc-b083-0000779fd2ac.html?nclick_check=1 At first sight, Malmö is everything you expect of a Scandinavian city: clean, pretty, cycle-haunted, quiet, overpriced, dull. Even the lights at pedestrian crossings click discreetly. I fancied that the police cars didn't have sirens but a recorded message saying "Excuse me!" But I never heard one. The main threat to a pedestrian comes from irate cyclists guarding their cycle lanes against trespassers. This does not feel like a place with problems.
That's partly because it is one of the most segregated cities in Europe. The migrants are concentrated in one district, Rosengârd, with the newest ones in the sub-district of Herrgarden, where the male unemployment rate is 82 per cent. Other locals mention these names with a shudder.
But if Rosengård is a slum or ghetto, it is a showpiece slum or ghetto. The blocks of flats - no more than eight stories high - are mostly well maintained. There is no more litter there than anywhere else in town. There are very few graffiti. And although there are many men and teenagers hanging round even on a weekday afternoon, the atmosphere is entirely unthreatening, indeed welcoming. (Very different, said our Danish photographer, from the equivalent areas in Copenhagen.) Within an hour of arrival, we were having coffee and pastries in a Turkish family kitchen. The seventh-floor flat was not opulent, but nor was it uncomfortable. Instinctive eastern hospitality battled with northern reserve and the migrant's understandable suspicion of the stranger. But it felt like a refuge against an uncertain world.
...
In Herrgarden, kids from diverse backgrounds do mix. But at schools composed almost wholly of migrants, they find it hard to feel an attachment with wider society. "My passport says I'm Svensk[Swedish], but in the apartment, no," says Lulli's Turkish pal Nihad. "In Herrgarden, if someone has a problem, we help him. The Swedes, they are very cold. They shake hands. We kiss. Not like gays, like brothers."
Fuelled by resentment against native Swedes, some go into town on a Friday or Saturday night to indulge in a little light mugging of what they call "the Svens". The police think only about 150 youths are involved. At least these youngsters speak Swedish. For their parents, it can be much harder. Cushioned by social security but imprisoned by linguistic inadequacy, many of the unemployed hardly go out. The migrants are here physically, but many have not made the mental leap. Yup, pretty much as you'd expect giving people benefits but stopping them working creates an embittered, hostile underclass no matter how comfortable they are materially.
It's sad really, what seems like generosity is actually ruining the immigrants chance to integrate while the US's more hard edged policy is actually helping them.
Asian in the UK includes Pakistan and India and these guys were Pakistanis.
I suspect most of the ones in Muslim countries probably aren't fundamentalists but they need to keep quiet about that fact to avoid getting killed. I'm talking about the ones in Europe.
Come on man, you live in a country that is nominally 70%+ christian and 1% muslim and yet you think you have equal exposure to the entire spectrum of both groups? I've never lived in a country that was 70% christian, luckily for me.
Remember, this is an international site and not everyone here is from the US. And in Europe most Muslims are fundamentalists and most Christians aren't.
A large number of Christians are not fundamentalist because Christianity has been battered by conflict with secularism and has mostly eroded into something which is compatible with liberal society. That hasn't happened with Islam. In a Muslim country (or even in an area of a European country with lots of Muslims) saying that the Quran was not the literal word of God - i.e. not being a fundamentalist - would be very dangerous. Doing the same thing about the Bible would invite criticism but not physical danger. Which is the reason most Muslims are fundamentalist.
Christianity is only not protected now because Church lost a battle with secularism. One in a which people who made much more subtle criticisms of it than the Life of Brian got killed in very painful ways.