Yeah well, the N900 doesn't match the parent's requirement:
...a smartphone should be a phone with PDA functions and not the other way around.
It's more like a too small tablet with not that great voice support and the redeeming feature of a keyboard.
Don't get me wrong, I really like that thing. But that's because I use it like subnetbook most of the time.
PS: I know that Meego needed to move fast (har har), but going with RPM over DEB was a dire mistake.
Care to elaborate? I'm pretty much unfamiliar with RPM, but DEB performance is already annoying on my overpowered desktop and notebook, on my N900 it really sucks.
You are aware that Nokia is not just some Scandinavian cellphone shop that could just be bought, right?
Sure, they might get rid of their cellphone division like Siemens did, if that's what you mean.
Battery life: most is taken up by fancy screens, wifi, 3G, GPS. Kill all that for a low-cost phone, stick a solar panel on the back, and the battery will last 2-3 days of real use. Furthermore, it's not a week between power outlets, they're everywhere, they just cost money to use.
Then you don't have a lot more features left, and are in almost direct competition to dumbphones with a battery life of weeks. Which are a lot more rugged, always a good thing no matter how well you treat your phone.
Rugged? Hardly the point. When you earn a dollar a day, you take _really_ good care of stuff costing $24-$50. I've bought 3rd hand phones in West Africa that still worked.
Sure, but when you only earn a dollar a day, you want want to use those costly power outlets as little as possible. Refuting your own point there.
The next big push will be interconnectivity smart phone connects to the smart book connects to the smart TV[...]
does not mean connecting you TV via a one-way TV-out.
But the GP was very much mistaken with the rest of the sentence,
Nokia is a limited electronics manufacturer and lacks the ability to produce a complete package deal
Nokia being a very large corporation very large product portfolio. They could very well produce a smartphone - TV package, if they thought it made sense.
As a N900 owner, I disagree.
If an UI looks like something I might expect on a desktop, if I'm forced to take out the stylus to use it, I look for alternatives and reevaluate my need for that app.
At the very least, I would not pay for something like that, or recommend it to anyone. Which would be the only things Nokia would have an interest in.
No, sorry, this analogy doesn't work. The primary use of a bullhorn is to convey information to a large audience, the primary use of a wireless accesspoint is to allow computers to talk to each other wirelessly.
The unintended sideeffect that allows everyone to listen those computers talk should have been advertised, its implications made clear. But that did not happen. It's the vendors that are to blame.
What makes evidence "real"? Being upheld in a court of law? I don't know about Canada, but where I'm from suing the police brings you nowhere, it's a waste of your time and really frustrating.
I too have only seen circumstantial evidence, but given how they admitted to having undercover cops there, and police forces often being blamed for employing agent provocateurs with individual officers admitting to it, I tend to believe that some of these undercover cops indeed did intend to provoke the mob. If that was the cops acting on their own or if they really were ordered to is a whole other story.
Acrobat isn't replaced by "Print to PDF". Not by a long shot.
If all this extra functionality is actually needed, I do not know. But making PDF popular is part of what lets them sell their ADEPT DRM solution, and I'm sure that's making them a pretty penny.
There is the "fragmentation" argument that makes the "Let's turn NeXT and MacOS into MacOS X" success story not applicable here.
Apple had a single vision, and a bunch of very talented people working towards it. Linux has a few dozens visions, and a bunch of very talented people working towards their favorite one.
To be fair, KDE4's desktop integration is better than that Windows provides. Not as solid yet, but better. Closer to MacOS X than Windows.
Sure, it's probably copied, but not cheaply.
Why download "linux" software from a random web page when nearly everything you want can be downloaded from the same repository you get your OS updates from.
Indeed, why? Actually, there is a lot of software that isn't present in the major distribution's repositories. What would be nice would be a standardized installer that the distributions can provide their own backend for, that's really easy for developers to add to their projects. Kind of like InstallShield.
And lastly, the "hostile linux people" is pretty much a myth in my experience. I seem to get a lot of help all the time.
There are some distributions that attract more elitist asshats than others. Debian and Arch Linux especially, according to my experience. In contrast to its reputation, Gentoo seems to have a very helpful community. But maybe that's because of its limited userbase, so they don't get many questions that makes one want to scream RTFM..
Hehe, "Troll".
Fragmentation is a fact of live for anything born out of a community that upholds freedom of choice. Nothing to be done about it, and if it keeps a project back in one area, like the desktop, so be it. In turn, it lets the project shine in other areas.
And they are right. Why do you waste your energy? If you actually need MS Office, chances are OpenOffice won't be able to do what you want it to do (see the discussion about that video MS made), if you need Photoshop CS, GIMP won't cut it, if you need iTunes... as far as I know, there is nothing that comes even close to what iTunes does.
The only way to get people to use Linux is when they need something Linux, and only Linux provides. And that isn't much.
So, in summary, you are saying Linux' appeal would be its price, if the competition wouldn't be cleverly hiding theirs.
That's not much to go on.
I've been using Linux since '98, and while its usability has made great progress, so has Windows' and especially MacOS'. And overall, those two are winning. While the KDE4 desktop integration theoretically beats Windows, it's a lot less solid and doesn't work with the majority of applications. Gnome just feels outdated.
MacOS seems to win in desktop integration, with only KDE4 having a chance to catch up. As far as I can see, Windows isn't even trying, relying on its reasonably stable technology instead, where it beats MacOS and Linux' desktop environments.
Please note this is my _subjective_ comparisons of the OS's use on a _desktop_, and with that disclaimer nobody can disagree with me. Hah:P
There are still LUG meetings? That alone should throw serious doubt on its adoption as a mainstream desktop OS any time soon..
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Don't you see the value in having employees that didn't only choose to work for your company because the money is good?
If they also happen to believe in what the company does, or at least doesn't have a moral problem with it, it's more likely they will stick with the job and maybe even do better work. Monetary compensation only gets you this far, at some point it won't be enough to pay for rationalization.
While I might accept a job for a company that doesn't match my own philosophy, I would also leave it as soon as I get a chance to work at a place that's a better match for me.
The only thing that keeps businesses running Windows at all is the large volume of industry-specific applications (and even web sites) that only work on Win32 and IE. It certainly isn't lower support costs.
Uh huh. Even if that were true, you're expecting them to reimplement all those application to what, Linux and Firefox?
This story is a troll, yes, but as long as it's here, let's feed it!
This web browser is not standards compliant. It is a pain to write a website for and severely limits what a programmer can do with a web page. As a result, this website will work in a degraded fashion, and some part may appear odd or even broken. The broken part is the browser you are using! We are lacking patience, time and motivation in supporting such a cumbersome product.
For the benefit of all, you can get a better experience by upgrading to one of the web browsers below. They are free!
Wow:-O
This is an amazing portrayal of an extremely holier-than-thou, self centered attitude. I sure hope no actually useful site actually uses this crap.
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Video calling is implemented on 1.2. No idea how well it works though.
...a smartphone should be a phone with PDA functions and not the other way around.
It's more like a too small tablet with not that great voice support and the redeeming feature of a keyboard.
Don't get me wrong, I really like that thing. But that's because I use it like subnetbook most of the time.
Captcha: amateurs (how did they know?)
The stench of armchair software engineers =)
PS: I know that Meego needed to move fast (har har), but going with RPM over DEB was a dire mistake.
Care to elaborate? I'm pretty much unfamiliar with RPM, but DEB performance is already annoying on my overpowered desktop and notebook, on my N900 it really sucks.
Sure, they might get rid of their cellphone division like Siemens did, if that's what you mean.
Battery life: most is taken up by fancy screens, wifi, 3G, GPS. Kill all that for a low-cost phone, stick a solar panel on the back, and the battery will last 2-3 days of real use. Furthermore, it's not a week between power outlets, they're everywhere, they just cost money to use.
Then you don't have a lot more features left, and are in almost direct competition to dumbphones with a battery life of weeks. Which are a lot more rugged, always a good thing no matter how well you treat your phone.
Rugged? Hardly the point. When you earn a dollar a day, you take _really_ good care of stuff costing $24-$50. I've bought 3rd hand phones in West Africa that still worked.
Sure, but when you only earn a dollar a day, you want want to use those costly power outlets as little as possible. Refuting your own point there.
The next big push will be interconnectivity smart phone connects to the smart book connects to the smart TV[...]
does not mean connecting you TV via a one-way TV-out.
But the GP was very much mistaken with the rest of the sentence,
Nokia is a limited electronics manufacturer and lacks the ability to produce a complete package deal
Nokia being a very large corporation very large product portfolio. They could very well produce a smartphone - TV package, if they thought it made sense.
As a N900 owner, I disagree.
If an UI looks like something I might expect on a desktop, if I'm forced to take out the stylus to use it, I look for alternatives and reevaluate my need for that app.
At the very least, I would not pay for something like that, or recommend it to anyone. Which would be the only things Nokia would have an interest in.
No, sorry, this analogy doesn't work. The primary use of a bullhorn is to convey information to a large audience, the primary use of a wireless accesspoint is to allow computers to talk to each other wirelessly.
The unintended sideeffect that allows everyone to listen those computers talk should have been advertised, its implications made clear. But that did not happen. It's the vendors that are to blame.
Shenmue.
Still hoping they make a third part. For the Dreamcast =)
Wow, that site's nerd paradise.
Thanks for the link!
What makes evidence "real"? Being upheld in a court of law? I don't know about Canada, but where I'm from suing the police brings you nowhere, it's a waste of your time and really frustrating.
I too have only seen circumstantial evidence, but given how they admitted to having undercover cops there, and police forces often being blamed for employing agent provocateurs with individual officers admitting to it, I tend to believe that some of these undercover cops indeed did intend to provoke the mob. If that was the cops acting on their own or if they really were ordered to is a whole other story.
Acrobat isn't replaced by "Print to PDF". Not by a long shot.
If all this extra functionality is actually needed, I do not know. But making PDF popular is part of what lets them sell their ADEPT DRM solution, and I'm sure that's making them a pretty penny.
There is the "fragmentation" argument that makes the "Let's turn NeXT and MacOS into MacOS X" success story not applicable here.
Apple had a single vision, and a bunch of very talented people working towards it. Linux has a few dozens visions, and a bunch of very talented people working towards their favorite one.
To be fair, KDE4's desktop integration is better than that Windows provides. Not as solid yet, but better. Closer to MacOS X than Windows.
Sure, it's probably copied, but not cheaply.
Why download "linux" software from a random web page when nearly everything you want can be downloaded from the same repository you get your OS updates from.
Indeed, why? Actually, there is a lot of software that isn't present in the major distribution's repositories. What would be nice would be a standardized installer that the distributions can provide their own backend for, that's really easy for developers to add to their projects. Kind of like InstallShield.
And lastly, the "hostile linux people" is pretty much a myth in my experience. I seem to get a lot of help all the time.
There are some distributions that attract more elitist asshats than others. Debian and Arch Linux especially, according to my experience. In contrast to its reputation, Gentoo seems to have a very helpful community. But maybe that's because of its limited userbase, so they don't get many questions that makes one want to scream RTFM..
Hehe, "Troll".
Fragmentation is a fact of live for anything born out of a community that upholds freedom of choice. Nothing to be done about it, and if it keeps a project back in one area, like the desktop, so be it. In turn, it lets the project shine in other areas.
Oh yeah, undeniable prove right there - Linux is _the_ desktop OS of the decade!
That must have been one night.. Kinda makes me jealous, though the comedown must be a bitch..
And they are right. Why do you waste your energy? If you actually need MS Office, chances are OpenOffice won't be able to do what you want it to do (see the discussion about that video MS made), if you need Photoshop CS, GIMP won't cut it, if you need iTunes... as far as I know, there is nothing that comes even close to what iTunes does.
The only way to get people to use Linux is when they need something Linux, and only Linux provides. And that isn't much.
So, in summary, you are saying Linux' appeal would be its price, if the competition wouldn't be cleverly hiding theirs.
:P
That's not much to go on.
I've been using Linux since '98, and while its usability has made great progress, so has Windows' and especially MacOS'. And overall, those two are winning. While the KDE4 desktop integration theoretically beats Windows, it's a lot less solid and doesn't work with the majority of applications. Gnome just feels outdated.
MacOS seems to win in desktop integration, with only KDE4 having a chance to catch up. As far as I can see, Windows isn't even trying, relying on its reasonably stable technology instead, where it beats MacOS and Linux' desktop environments.
Please note this is my _subjective_ comparisons of the OS's use on a _desktop_, and with that disclaimer nobody can disagree with me. Hah
There are still LUG meetings? That alone should throw serious doubt on its adoption as a mainstream desktop OS any time soon..
Don't you see the value in having employees that didn't only choose to work for your company because the money is good?
If they also happen to believe in what the company does, or at least doesn't have a moral problem with it, it's more likely they will stick with the job and maybe even do better work. Monetary compensation only gets you this far, at some point it won't be enough to pay for rationalization.
While I might accept a job for a company that doesn't match my own philosophy, I would also leave it as soon as I get a chance to work at a place that's a better match for me.
The only thing that keeps businesses running Windows at all is the large volume of industry-specific applications (and even web sites) that only work on Win32 and IE. It certainly isn't lower support costs.
Uh huh. Even if that were true, you're expecting them to reimplement all those application to what, Linux and Firefox?
This story is a troll, yes, but as long as it's here, let's feed it!
I see it the other way. When a huge amount of people don't get how to operate those systems, it's the systems fault, not theirs.
This web browser is not standards compliant. It is a pain to write a website for and severely limits what a programmer can do with a web page. As a result, this website will work in a degraded fashion, and some part may appear odd or even broken. The broken part is the browser you are using! We are lacking patience, time and motivation in supporting such a cumbersome product. For the benefit of all, you can get a better experience by upgrading to one of the web browsers below. They are free!
Wow :-O
This is an amazing portrayal of an extremely holier-than-thou, self centered attitude. I sure hope no actually useful site actually uses this crap.