I also enjoyed our debate. Thank you for listening and replying. I too have my own strong opinions. I apologize for my sarcasm. It's just the way I am. Ask my wife.=) Hope to see you out there again. This is what makes America great!
Make no mistake, the patriots of America's past did not sail over to england and kill a bunch of women and children. Their resistance, however disorganized, was moved against the garrisons and military might of Britian. Acts of violence toward the innocent of that time were neither condoned then by the general populace nor are they condoned now in our history books. It is unfair to equate the two. And by the way. I thought that this was supposed to be a discussion forumn where ideas and views are expressed and debated. All my sarcasm aside, I made no personal attacks against you. Your views, however in disagreement with my own, have been read by myself and I have been given alot to consider. Please don't make this so personal. I do not enjoy the attacks. And I am sure that you wouldn't either. Lets be gentlemen about our disagreements.
You know something? You are right. I never really thought of it like that before. Maybe it IS ok to kill people as long as you are misunderstood or have a good reason. My eyes are now opened and my mind expanded. We do not know what it is like to be a Palestinian. If we did, we would see that it is alright for them to kill. You know what? I have had a pretty tough life filled with opression, poverty, death, and taxes. I think I will go and kill me a few people in my local politician's neighborhood. It will be OK, because nobody really knows what it is like to be me. Right?
Sarcasm aside, you are saying that killing the innocent is OK if the circumstances are right?
And while I am at it, did you read my post? I never once even eluded to Muslims or those of Islamic faith as crazy or evil. Those who commit the atrocities of terrorism are clearly not living within the bounds or law set by their religion as Islam is not a religion of hate but of love and peace.
Also, Most of the Israeli's who are alive today were born into that situation. Last I checked you don't really have a choice where you are born or to whom. When I turn on the news at night, I don't hear about the latest Israeli Jew who strapped on a bomb and walked into a busy marked or blew up a busload of children. If the Palestinians want to retake their land, they should organize an army and have a war. Not this cowardice of terrorism.
You are right. Why not ask ourselves "why?" In the mean time they kill more. But hey, It is not their fault that they choose to strap on bombs and kill people. Something must drive them, right?
Here is how I see it. If I have a disagreement with my neighbor, I would try to resolve it by any means within reason. I would not walk up and stab his wife to death. There is a proper way to solve problems. Once you cross the line of sanity in your dealings, you have no recourse to the consequences that will surely come your way. If Israeli expansion is a problem for the Palestinians, their government needs to deal with it and do their best to keep their people in check. I imagine that the Israelis would have more time to listen to what Palestine have to say if they weren't so busy cleaning up bodies of the women, children, and men who are killed with regularity by Palestinian terrorists.
Disagreement is civil and has rules to make sure it stays that way. I don't care what problem the Palestinians have with the Israelis, Terror and suicide bombers are not the way to solve it.
Wow something both a Liberal and I can agree on:
The UN is worthless.
What good is the UN if they only selectively enforce global law.
The difference between a rogue nation and The US having WMD's is intent. Look at Saddam Hussein for an example. He may not have had any remaining working WMD's but we have incontrovertable evidence that he has had and used them against the Kurds. What is the world supposed to think when this man plays games with UN inspectors and defies resolution after resolution?
Tell me what is wrong with unseating Saddam from power. Anyone?
Bush lied is not a valid answer.
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I also enjoyed our debate. Thank you for listening and replying. I too have my own strong opinions. I apologize for my sarcasm. It's just the way I am. Ask my wife.=) Hope to see you out there again. This is what makes America great!
Make no mistake, the patriots of America's past did not sail over to england and kill a bunch of women and children. Their resistance, however disorganized, was moved against the garrisons and military might of Britian. Acts of violence toward the innocent of that time were neither condoned then by the general populace nor are they condoned now in our history books. It is unfair to equate the two. And by the way. I thought that this was supposed to be a discussion forumn where ideas and views are expressed and debated. All my sarcasm aside, I made no personal attacks against you. Your views, however in disagreement with my own, have been read by myself and I have been given alot to consider. Please don't make this so personal. I do not enjoy the attacks. And I am sure that you wouldn't either. Lets be gentlemen about our disagreements.
You know something? You are right. I never really thought of it like that before. Maybe it IS ok to kill people as long as you are misunderstood or have a good reason. My eyes are now opened and my mind expanded. We do not know what it is like to be a Palestinian. If we did, we would see that it is alright for them to kill. You know what? I have had a pretty tough life filled with opression, poverty, death, and taxes. I think I will go and kill me a few people in my local politician's neighborhood. It will be OK, because nobody really knows what it is like to be me. Right? Sarcasm aside, you are saying that killing the innocent is OK if the circumstances are right? And while I am at it, did you read my post? I never once even eluded to Muslims or those of Islamic faith as crazy or evil. Those who commit the atrocities of terrorism are clearly not living within the bounds or law set by their religion as Islam is not a religion of hate but of love and peace. Also, Most of the Israeli's who are alive today were born into that situation. Last I checked you don't really have a choice where you are born or to whom. When I turn on the news at night, I don't hear about the latest Israeli Jew who strapped on a bomb and walked into a busy marked or blew up a busload of children. If the Palestinians want to retake their land, they should organize an army and have a war. Not this cowardice of terrorism.
You are right. Why not ask ourselves "why?" In the mean time they kill more. But hey, It is not their fault that they choose to strap on bombs and kill people. Something must drive them, right? Here is how I see it. If I have a disagreement with my neighbor, I would try to resolve it by any means within reason. I would not walk up and stab his wife to death. There is a proper way to solve problems. Once you cross the line of sanity in your dealings, you have no recourse to the consequences that will surely come your way. If Israeli expansion is a problem for the Palestinians, their government needs to deal with it and do their best to keep their people in check. I imagine that the Israelis would have more time to listen to what Palestine have to say if they weren't so busy cleaning up bodies of the women, children, and men who are killed with regularity by Palestinian terrorists. Disagreement is civil and has rules to make sure it stays that way. I don't care what problem the Palestinians have with the Israelis, Terror and suicide bombers are not the way to solve it.
Wow something both a Liberal and I can agree on: The UN is worthless. What good is the UN if they only selectively enforce global law. The difference between a rogue nation and The US having WMD's is intent. Look at Saddam Hussein for an example. He may not have had any remaining working WMD's but we have incontrovertable evidence that he has had and used them against the Kurds. What is the world supposed to think when this man plays games with UN inspectors and defies resolution after resolution? Tell me what is wrong with unseating Saddam from power. Anyone? Bush lied is not a valid answer.
You are right about Isreal. Screw the Jews! Them and their hate and their suicide bombers blowing up children... Oh wait. That's Palestine. My bad!
There is nothing wrong with defending your own country. All you anti Israel anti-semites need to get a grip!