To clarify on that, Kingdom Hearts DOES have a lot do with Square and the inclusion of characters such as Aerith, Tidus, Wakka, Squall, Selphie and even a Moogle. However, Kingdom Hearts is a series all on its own. It is not part of the Final Fantasy series.
I am very thankful for the error that was pointed out to me. I was angry at the person who claimed my school had low english standards, that's all. The it's and its are my common mistakes, and my editor missed them. I'm not denying that at all. I'll even say it again. Thank you for pointing out the it's/its problem. It will be remedied.
Is that clearer? I understand the need for professionalism, trust me, but I need to be approached with some sort of tact, as you have approached me. A blatant insult isn't something I will treat as constructive criticism, that's all.
Unfortunately, this being the only FF# I HAVEN'T played, I don't know what is true...but I find it hard to believe that A) You can't do ANYTHING in the game, and B) Everyone around me who has played it has enjoyed it...and I'm assuming they didn't simply level up, all the time.
As for the missing FF's, the point of the article was to describe the numbered series, not the extras. As I mentioned in the link above, The History of Final Fantasy is NOT the title of this feature, and should not have been the title of this post./. changed it. It was not meant to be a History of... feature.
That's actually something I try to avoid, and is a good point. RPG automatically becomes "ooh, what FF is it like?????//". And that's more than stupid.
The original feature concept was to follow the series numbers, as opposed to the overall "theme", or canon as you put it. Also, FFXII was removed from the feature after it was touched on in the Future of FF section.
Thank you for that. Yeah, When it was originally submitted "The History of Final Fantasy" was not the title it was given. In fact, the entire description that was sent in was scrapped and rewritten before it was posted. Not that it was any more in-depth, but it was completely different.
No worries though, I'm glad you've pointed all these things out, and hope that you can give us another chance, if it's at least quick glances now and then to see how we're doing.:)
My original post had no line breaks, making it VERY hard to read. This one does have line breaks.
Hmm...this is a hard one to reply to...not because I have to take up a defensive position, but because it was the one of the ONLY responses so far to provide any sort of criticism worth reading, so I appreciate it.
One important thing to note is the nature in which the feature was written. It was an undertaking that in no doubt had the standards set high. After all, it IS Final Fantasy we're talking about. It also crossed my mind that the writers staffed for the project were not perfect, were not all writers by trade, and most of all were taking time they didn't have to write.
I'll start at the beginning of your post.
To begin, I have played all the Final Fantasies (I am Chris St. Pierre) in the numbered series, except for XI, being as I don't usually enjoy MMOG's.
When I stated "some say it resembled an early FFV", it meant just what it said. Some people, as in not all and less than most, have said, as in told me directly in one way or another, that there were some resemblances to FFV. Whether or not I believed it didn't make the fact that they did different, and that's how it ended up in my train of thought. Consequently, you see it in the article.
As for the capability of the writers, it is completely understandable that some feel what they read may be amateurish, and some may be passable, etc. However, it is also important to understand that many of these writers are just starting out, and have tried their hardest to convey their thoughts in the best way they could. As for passing off speculation as fact, I believe that's just a writing discipline that is taught to some people...meaning state without doubt. No, "I think" or "Maybe". I'm sorry if that bothered you.
The Uematsu fact you mentioned I believe was mis-worded by the author. Yes, after FFVIII he was no longer the primary composer, but FFX-2 is a game in which he did not exist at all. I believe that was the point that was trying to be made, and it was mis-worded. In regard to the lack of research, a lot of this was intended to be a group of different perspectives describing the games as they are, and not as "research intensive".
Lack of discipline is very difficult to define...from the outside you see lack of discipline. I will not deny that I was very lax on the writers this time around, and maybe too lax. However, as a team, I was proud to see how they all worked together and were able to come through for me, even down to the last 3 hours, when some writers backed out, leaving entire sections to be written the night before. I strive with all my power and time to keep organizational sanity amongst the site and its staff and definitely appreciate any help that can be given. This was the first feature done...the first piece I asked anyone to write that exceeded a page at the most, and it was widely accepted and completed.
I'm hoping that despite your dissatisfaction with this feature, and this goes for anyone dissatisfied, that you will still give the site chances...watch it mold into something stronger and better. It is, after all, the only thing I ever ask for. No site can start on top. Some start strong, some sluggish. Although we're starting sluggish, I'm still moving forward, and intend to continue trying to increase the quality of writing and content that appears.
Thank you for posting your comment, and thank you for reading my response. If you have anything you'd like to discuss with me further, I'm MORE than happy to discuss it via IM. AIM: NerezzaConvoca.
Hmm...this is a hard one to reply to...not because I have to take up a defensive position, but because it was the one of the ONLY responses so far to provide any sort of criticism worth reading, so I appreciate it.
The first thing I need to start with is the Title, which is NOT the "History of Final Fantasy". That subject was edited by/. and originally read "The Final Fantasy Series". Though small, there is a difference between the two topics.
One important thing to note is the nature in which the feature was written. It was an undertaking that in no doubt had the standards set high. After all, it IS Final Fantasy we're talking about. It also crossed my mind that the writers staffed for the project were not perfect, were not all writers by trade, and most of all were taking time they didn't have to write.
I'll start at the beginning of your post.
To begin, I have played all the Final Fantasies (I am Chris St. Pierre) in the numbered series, except for XI, being as I don't usually enjoy MMOG's.
When I stated "some say it resembled an early FFV", it meant just what it said. Some people, as in not all and less than most, have said, as in told me directly in one way or another, that there were some resemblances to FFV. Whether or not I believed it didn't make the fact that they did different, and that's how it ended up in my train of thought. Consequently, you see it in the article.
As for the capability of the writers, it is completely understandable that some feel what they read may be amateurish, and some may be passable, etc. However, it is also important to understand that many of these writers are just starting out, and have tried their hardest to convey their thoughts in the best way they could. As for passing off speculation as fact, I believe that's just a writing discipline that is taught to some people...meaning state without doubt. No, "I think" or "Maybe". I'm sorry if that bothered you.
The Uematsu fact you mentioned I believe was mis-worded by the author. Yes, after FFVIII he was no longer the primary composer, but FFX-2 is a game in which he did not exist at all. I believe that was the point that was trying to be made, and it was mis-worded. In regard to the lack of research, a lot of this was intended to be a group of different perspectives describing the games as they are, and not as "research intensive".
Lack of discipline is very difficult to define...from the outside you see lack of discipline. I will not deny that I was very lax on the writers this time around, and maybe too lax. However, as a team, I was proud to see how they all worked together and were able to come through for me, even down to the last 3 hours, when some writers backed out, leaving entire sections to be written the night before. I strive with all my power and time to keep organizational sanity amongst the site and its staff and definitely appreciate any help that can be given. This was the first feature done...the first piece I asked anyone to write that exceeded a page at the most, and it was widely accepted and completed.
I'm hoping that despite your dissatisfaction with this feature, and this goes for anyone dissatisfied, that you will still give the site chances...watch it mold into something stronger and better. It is, after all, the only thing I ever ask for. No site can start on top. Some start strong, some sluggish. Although we're starting sluggish, I'm still moving forward, and intend to continue trying to increase the quality of writing and content that appears.
Thank you for posting your comment, and thank you for reading my response. If you have anything you'd like to discuss with me further, I'm MORE than happy to discuss it via IM. AIM: NerezzaConvoca.
5 or 10 pages per game would have been out of range and ability for the writers I had on staff and the time that was alotted to do it.
I've played each and every Final Fantasy game, most multiple times, some so many times that I should probably be examined.
Everyone has yet to realize how much work WAS put in, despite it not being as long and in-depth as everyone wants it to be.
As I've already said somewhere else, all of the content, other than the History section, was original. In fact, I don't even read gamespot and have never even seen this article. I'm sure there are more out there as well, and I'm not going to repeat what I already said in another thread. But rest assured, we ripped off nothing.
Also, FFXI was one of a few sections that was written with VERY short notice, after a writer backed out on me with only a few days remaining before the feature went live.
Also, don't get me wrong, I do always appreciate constructive criticism, but I can't take people seriously that say things inferring things like 'you can't write because you go to WPI', or anything as dumb as that.
As a site with no way to prove any sort of credibility yet, finding people that even WANT to help me is amazing, and any minute they can provide to me, I will take.
I had already said in an earlier that I am going to talk to my editor about it. He did an excellent job in a time-crunch, though, compared to the original works.
Do not have to, and do not are very different things. Though "english classes" are not required, humanities, culture and arts classes are. English falls into that category, as does foreign language. I could begin posting in Spanish, but that'd be dumb.
Your response has no point and only proves how naive and all but dumb some people can be about the people and things they comment on. "It's" and "its" are common typing mistakes I have made and will make for a very long time, I'm sorry it disturbs you to a point that you need to insult the integrity of my school's teaching system.
I'm glad you like it, and happy to see that readers who don't appreciate/.'s posting decisions continue to read and post!
I'll be sure to direct more quality features your way as soon as we butcher them with our inability to produce!
Well it's and its are definitely my downfall. Yes, I know the difference, no I don't always catch them. That would be something I take up with my editor though, not my writers:) If I need to be good at something, it might as well be apostrophe wizardry, eh?;)
As for the Gamespot similiarities, on the "History of Square-Enix" section used information found at Gamespot. All other material in the entire feature was original writing. Being the VERY first feature we've ever done, this was a dry run. Using a familiar topic made it easier for my writers, as well as contributing writers, to jump on board and make the whole thing possible.
Also, I am very glad you appreciate the effort. There were MANY man hours poured into this. Just remember, as I said, that starting slow...yet big...was the idea. Using Final Fantasy as the subject made it easy on research (almost none), but really worked the writers' minds and abilities to be ready for future features. I hope that helps you understand why we did it.
Any other questions and concerns, any feel free to IM me as well, I'd be happy to discuss it.
Well, also the feature was for those that hadn't necessarily played FF, and believe it or not, there are tons of them out there. I'll take yours into consideration though:)
As I mentioned previously, the Final Fantasy "Series" as I had defined it, was only the numbered series, I through XI. Although Tactics has many fans (me NOT being one of them), it simply didn't fit into this continuity. However, a feautre on the NON numbered FF's may be something I do in the future, though it wouldn't be until next year, since the rest of the year's features are set in stone.
The Word Final was used because it was a game made on the verge of bankrupcy, and was supposed to be Square's "Final" Fantasy. It was taken with such awesome response, that they were able to continue production.
As for the stories being crap, it's all a matter of opinion. I'm personally drawn in by the stories of Final Fantasy, especially the later ones. Levelling up is barely ever on my mind. I continue for the story. If you're looking for a customizable character FF, it's FFVIII you want then, since classes do not exist and aren't defined. FFVII similarly has no defined class system.
shoptroll hit the nail on the head. The point of the feature was to delve into the series, meaning the numbered Final Fantasies. I COULD have gone off track into the Adventures, and the Tacitics and all the others, but I didn't have a year to do it in:)
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To clarify on that, Kingdom Hearts DOES have a lot do with Square and the inclusion of characters such as Aerith, Tidus, Wakka, Squall, Selphie and even a Moogle. However, Kingdom Hearts is a series all on its own. It is not part of the Final Fantasy series.
I am very thankful for the error that was pointed out to me. I was angry at the person who claimed my school had low english standards, that's all. The it's and its are my common mistakes, and my editor missed them. I'm not denying that at all. I'll even say it again. Thank you for pointing out the it's/its problem. It will be remedied. Is that clearer? I understand the need for professionalism, trust me, but I need to be approached with some sort of tact, as you have approached me. A blatant insult isn't something I will treat as constructive criticism, that's all.
Unfortunately, this being the only FF# I HAVEN'T played, I don't know what is true...but I find it hard to believe that A) You can't do ANYTHING in the game, and B) Everyone around me who has played it has enjoyed it...and I'm assuming they didn't simply level up, all the time.
I'm going to direct you to my earlier response, which answers some of those questions.
/. changed it. It was not meant to be a History of... feature.
Click here for my earlier response.
As for the missing FF's, the point of the article was to describe the numbered series, not the extras. As I mentioned in the link above, The History of Final Fantasy is NOT the title of this feature, and should not have been the title of this post.
That's actually something I try to avoid, and is a good point. RPG automatically becomes "ooh, what FF is it like?????//". And that's more than stupid.
Aaah, I see.
The original feature concept was to follow the series numbers, as opposed to the overall "theme", or canon as you put it. Also, FFXII was removed from the feature after it was touched on in the Future of FF section.
Thank you for that. Yeah, When it was originally submitted "The History of Final Fantasy" was not the title it was given. In fact, the entire description that was sent in was scrapped and rewritten before it was posted. Not that it was any more in-depth, but it was completely different.
:)
No worries though, I'm glad you've pointed all these things out, and hope that you can give us another chance, if it's at least quick glances now and then to see how we're doing.
Ok, good. Cause a few people have said that to me...but I had a hard time believing it.
*See response to your Poor Article Thread
My original post had no line breaks, making it VERY hard to read. This one does have line breaks.
Hmm...this is a hard one to reply to...not because I have to take up a defensive position, but because it was the one of the ONLY responses so far to provide any sort of criticism worth reading, so I appreciate it.
One important thing to note is the nature in which the feature was written. It was an undertaking that in no doubt had the standards set high. After all, it IS Final Fantasy we're talking about. It also crossed my mind that the writers staffed for the project were not perfect, were not all writers by trade, and most of all were taking time they didn't have to write.
I'll start at the beginning of your post.
To begin, I have played all the Final Fantasies (I am Chris St. Pierre) in the numbered series, except for XI, being as I don't usually enjoy MMOG's.
When I stated "some say it resembled an early FFV", it meant just what it said. Some people, as in not all and less than most, have said, as in told me directly in one way or another, that there were some resemblances to FFV. Whether or not I believed it didn't make the fact that they did different, and that's how it ended up in my train of thought. Consequently, you see it in the article.
As for the capability of the writers, it is completely understandable that some feel what they read may be amateurish, and some may be passable, etc. However, it is also important to understand that many of these writers are just starting out, and have tried their hardest to convey their thoughts in the best way they could. As for passing off speculation as fact, I believe that's just a writing discipline that is taught to some people...meaning state without doubt. No, "I think" or "Maybe". I'm sorry if that bothered you.
The Uematsu fact you mentioned I believe was mis-worded by the author. Yes, after FFVIII he was no longer the primary composer, but FFX-2 is a game in which he did not exist at all. I believe that was the point that was trying to be made, and it was mis-worded. In regard to the lack of research, a lot of this was intended to be a group of different perspectives describing the games as they are, and not as "research intensive".
Lack of discipline is very difficult to define...from the outside you see lack of discipline. I will not deny that I was very lax on the writers this time around, and maybe too lax. However, as a team, I was proud to see how they all worked together and were able to come through for me, even down to the last 3 hours, when some writers backed out, leaving entire sections to be written the night before. I strive with all my power and time to keep organizational sanity amongst the site and its staff and definitely appreciate any help that can be given. This was the first feature done...the first piece I asked anyone to write that exceeded a page at the most, and it was widely accepted and completed.
I'm hoping that despite your dissatisfaction with this feature, and this goes for anyone dissatisfied, that you will still give the site chances...watch it mold into something stronger and better. It is, after all, the only thing I ever ask for. No site can start on top. Some start strong, some sluggish. Although we're starting sluggish, I'm still moving forward, and intend to continue trying to increase the quality of writing and content that appears.
Thank you for posting your comment, and thank you for reading my response. If you have anything you'd like to discuss with me further, I'm MORE than happy to discuss it via IM. AIM: NerezzaConvoca.
Hmm...this is a hard one to reply to...not because I have to take up a defensive position, but because it was the one of the ONLY responses so far to provide any sort of criticism worth reading, so I appreciate it. The first thing I need to start with is the Title, which is NOT the "History of Final Fantasy". That subject was edited by /. and originally read "The Final Fantasy Series". Though small, there is a difference between the two topics.
One important thing to note is the nature in which the feature was written. It was an undertaking that in no doubt had the standards set high. After all, it IS Final Fantasy we're talking about. It also crossed my mind that the writers staffed for the project were not perfect, were not all writers by trade, and most of all were taking time they didn't have to write.
I'll start at the beginning of your post.
To begin, I have played all the Final Fantasies (I am Chris St. Pierre) in the numbered series, except for XI, being as I don't usually enjoy MMOG's.
When I stated "some say it resembled an early FFV", it meant just what it said. Some people, as in not all and less than most, have said, as in told me directly in one way or another, that there were some resemblances to FFV. Whether or not I believed it didn't make the fact that they did different, and that's how it ended up in my train of thought. Consequently, you see it in the article.
As for the capability of the writers, it is completely understandable that some feel what they read may be amateurish, and some may be passable, etc. However, it is also important to understand that many of these writers are just starting out, and have tried their hardest to convey their thoughts in the best way they could. As for passing off speculation as fact, I believe that's just a writing discipline that is taught to some people...meaning state without doubt. No, "I think" or "Maybe". I'm sorry if that bothered you.
The Uematsu fact you mentioned I believe was mis-worded by the author. Yes, after FFVIII he was no longer the primary composer, but FFX-2 is a game in which he did not exist at all. I believe that was the point that was trying to be made, and it was mis-worded. In regard to the lack of research, a lot of this was intended to be a group of different perspectives describing the games as they are, and not as "research intensive".
Lack of discipline is very difficult to define...from the outside you see lack of discipline. I will not deny that I was very lax on the writers this time around, and maybe too lax. However, as a team, I was proud to see how they all worked together and were able to come through for me, even down to the last 3 hours, when some writers backed out, leaving entire sections to be written the night before. I strive with all my power and time to keep organizational sanity amongst the site and its staff and definitely appreciate any help that can be given. This was the first feature done...the first piece I asked anyone to write that exceeded a page at the most, and it was widely accepted and completed.
I'm hoping that despite your dissatisfaction with this feature, and this goes for anyone dissatisfied, that you will still give the site chances...watch it mold into something stronger and better. It is, after all, the only thing I ever ask for. No site can start on top. Some start strong, some sluggish. Although we're starting sluggish, I'm still moving forward, and intend to continue trying to increase the quality of writing and content that appears.
Thank you for posting your comment, and thank you for reading my response. If you have anything you'd like to discuss with me further, I'm MORE than happy to discuss it via IM. AIM: NerezzaConvoca.
I don't understand what you're claiming not to be true. You mean that Ogre Battle should be incorporated into it?
5 or 10 pages per game would have been out of range and ability for the writers I had on staff and the time that was alotted to do it. I've played each and every Final Fantasy game, most multiple times, some so many times that I should probably be examined. Everyone has yet to realize how much work WAS put in, despite it not being as long and in-depth as everyone wants it to be.
As I've already said somewhere else, all of the content, other than the History section, was original. In fact, I don't even read gamespot and have never even seen this article. I'm sure there are more out there as well, and I'm not going to repeat what I already said in another thread. But rest assured, we ripped off nothing. Also, FFXI was one of a few sections that was written with VERY short notice, after a writer backed out on me with only a few days remaining before the feature went live.
Heh. I've heard that a couple times. Is it really that close?
Also, don't get me wrong, I do always appreciate constructive criticism, but I can't take people seriously that say things inferring things like 'you can't write because you go to WPI', or anything as dumb as that. As a site with no way to prove any sort of credibility yet, finding people that even WANT to help me is amazing, and any minute they can provide to me, I will take.
I had already said in an earlier that I am going to talk to my editor about it. He did an excellent job in a time-crunch, though, compared to the original works.
Do not have to, and do not are very different things. Though "english classes" are not required, humanities, culture and arts classes are. English falls into that category, as does foreign language. I could begin posting in Spanish, but that'd be dumb. Your response has no point and only proves how naive and all but dumb some people can be about the people and things they comment on. "It's" and "its" are common typing mistakes I have made and will make for a very long time, I'm sorry it disturbs you to a point that you need to insult the integrity of my school's teaching system.
I'm glad you like it, and happy to see that readers who don't appreciate /.'s posting decisions continue to read and post!
I'll be sure to direct more quality features your way as soon as we butcher them with our inability to produce!
Well it's and its are definitely my downfall. Yes, I know the difference, no I don't always catch them. That would be something I take up with my editor though, not my writers :) If I need to be good at something, it might as well be apostrophe wizardry, eh? ;)
As for the Gamespot similiarities, on the "History of Square-Enix" section used information found at Gamespot. All other material in the entire feature was original writing. Being the VERY first feature we've ever done, this was a dry run. Using a familiar topic made it easier for my writers, as well as contributing writers, to jump on board and make the whole thing possible.
Also, I am very glad you appreciate the effort. There were MANY man hours poured into this. Just remember, as I said, that starting slow...yet big...was the idea. Using Final Fantasy as the subject made it easy on research (almost none), but really worked the writers' minds and abilities to be ready for future features. I hope that helps you understand why we did it.
Any other questions and concerns, any feel free to IM me as well, I'd be happy to discuss it.
Well, also the feature was for those that hadn't necessarily played FF, and believe it or not, there are tons of them out there. I'll take yours into consideration though :)
As I mentioned previously, the Final Fantasy "Series" as I had defined it, was only the numbered series, I through XI. Although Tactics has many fans (me NOT being one of them), it simply didn't fit into this continuity. However, a feautre on the NON numbered FF's may be something I do in the future, though it wouldn't be until next year, since the rest of the year's features are set in stone.
Yeah, I didn't write Squeenix ;) That was /.'s doing :P
The Word Final was used because it was a game made on the verge of bankrupcy, and was supposed to be Square's "Final" Fantasy. It was taken with such awesome response, that they were able to continue production. As for the stories being crap, it's all a matter of opinion. I'm personally drawn in by the stories of Final Fantasy, especially the later ones. Levelling up is barely ever on my mind. I continue for the story. If you're looking for a customizable character FF, it's FFVIII you want then, since classes do not exist and aren't defined. FFVII similarly has no defined class system.
shoptroll hit the nail on the head. The point of the feature was to delve into the series, meaning the numbered Final Fantasies. I COULD have gone off track into the Adventures, and the Tacitics and all the others, but I didn't have a year to do it in :)