Can't comment on the stability of the driver as I haven't tried it -- yet.
The driver though is developed from the NT driver which IMHO is a good sign. NT is way more linux like than Win9X/Me.
Don't know if thats enough to get the MWave back on it's feet. I have heard of problems with IRQs and other things which led me to suspect that the MWave while a great design in theory was a poorly executed design in the real world:/
Besides the wear and tear the HDD spindown and spinup puts on the server, you have to say
goodbye to some things that I for one wouldn't miss. Once tried hard to make a server (for home use) which should spin down when there was nothing to do. It did and after some time linux woke it up to write som log entries and "do it's thing". Drive spun down. Linux woke it, drive spun down, etc...
Made me crazy. Saw patches wich could make linux stop doing "its thing", but as far as I remember it did so by disabling things that I wouldn't be without in a fallover situation:/
There are too many things that can go wrong when drives spin up and down. Particularily if the drive hasn't been idle for a large period of time.
I have had disks which have spun for years without problems in a server, but when taken down
in order to upgrade the machine in some way. Some disks don't survive. Why you might ask? The above post is one point. Another is that the heat of old drives really degenerate the components of the HDD and thus it can't stand the powerup cycle which normally puts more stress on the components.
Other HDD have used all the lubricant inside during the years, and when powered up after a server upgrade the HDD doesn't have the power to compensate for the not so smooth motion anymore.
If it ain't broken don't stop it:)
What really drives opensource?
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Mankind is truely to invent something completely different if we want to go anywhere besides our space backyard.
Most propulsion systems today still use the principle of throwing wast amount of mass in the opposite direction of where you want to go. It could be throwing suitcases for that matter (powered by a thousand monkeys throwing an infinite amount of suitcases!)
Longer travel => faster you want to go => more mass/fuel => worse fraction payload/propulsion.
Think of it this way (not truely math correct): In order to go faster you need to throw out mass for a longer period of time. Fine you'll take the extra mass with you. But (and theres always a but) in order to accelerate the now slightly heavier rockect you need to take some extra mass for all the previous accelation!
Actually you can go anywhere without to much fuel, it's a question of time.
But, even with the speed of light we're going really slow (years and hundres of them to anything outside our solar system).
What we really need is a new kind of physics!
Re:Will GTK become Yet Another X?
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As long as there are still 'legacy' X apps, you'll need to run X anyway
I don't really understand why people complain about X. X is nice, extensible, flexible and reasonably fast (both 2D and 3D wise with the event of Xfree 4.x)
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see the architectural disaster that is X go
What architectural disaster? Able to run remote apps, use more than one monitor, infrastructure for 3D and 2D, works on nearly a zillon platforms (last time I looked windows was x86 only, so was BeOS, Others comes to mind easily)
It's not trivial to design an implement an system as large as X, but I for one think that the developers are doing just fine.
Hmm, getting offtopic here.
Gtk+ for framebuffer devices has it's place, but only in lowmemory situations and/or before the
system is really up'n'running (where I think another infrastructure should take over, X for example)
When I started my studies in 1993 I met a lot
of nice and intelligent people (some of whom I formed studygroups with)
... problem was that they got hooked up on MUDS while I was lucky enough to escape the plague;^)
MUDS didn't catch me (lack of imagination?), but for those of my friends it did catch, I ended up
seeing them again years later! Ofcourse they were all supergods of somekinds (having played litteraly 1000s of hours).
The sad part is that some of my friends actually saw their game being erased because the MUD Masters found that there were to many gods on their mud. 5 years of playing flushed down the toilet in a sec. Tough luck!
Re:.. as humans move out in the solar system. Sigh
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I think the prevailing theory is if that we destroy the earth by some conventional (or non-conventional) means, we'll have a place to go.
If we can't take care of this planet, why on earth should we be able to take care of the next?!
*grin* Never tought of the space programs as means for the humans to get around the fact that when
you polute something you have to clean it up:^)
Makes the space programs the biggest and most expensive cover-ups!!
.. as humans move out in the solar system. Sigh!
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How come people are so interested in going into space? It's mindblowing cold, HUGE as in defining the word, and generally really hostile towards us humans!
What is the point of going there? And before people get started. I'm for progress, inventions and the attitude: "we'll do it because we can". But on the other hand I think we have to be a bit realistic sometimes (as a race that is).... and I do happend to think that even the wildest and most amazing projects should be evaluated based on questions like: "what can we gain as a race in doing so", or "would we gain more using the money on earth instead".
Sure we can put a man on the moon. We're obviously also cabable of putting ants on astroids but does that suggest that we're headed for (or should be) deep space?! I for one wouldn't go there in any near future with the technology the human race have at the moment:/
... and I see no real indication that we're going to get anywhere in space easily, anytime soon!
My main concern about *any* new chipsets is
still stability. We do not need a new Ali V/nvidia situation, where you simply can't get hardware piece A to work with motherboard based on chipset from manufacturer B.
Stability is the most important thing even for value users on a low budget. Speed comes in second - everytime (well that's my opinion anyway)
What scared me was this sentence
"The 730S claims support for both the 100 and 133MHz DDR FSB frequencies (effectively 200/266MHz). While we
could get both settings to work, the 133MHz setting was noticeably less stable even to the point where none of our
Windows 2000 tests would complete. Chances are that the issues will be sorted out in future revisions of the chipset if
not simply requiring a BIOS update on our particular test board."
I mean it's not as if asus produces low quality boards being it pre-release boards or not. Hopefully it's just a bios issue but could be more than that i fear. Well only time will tell....
Eventually the developers will get around to things like making "light versions" or "navigator" versions.
Why bother concentrating on making a light version when there still are other bugs to iron out?
It could also just be that developers are humans too. Someone within the development team probably just got bored and decided to see if the framework they had built was strong enough to make an irc client on top.
An a litle rant in the end. Nothings stops you from taking the source and modifing it to accept "light" versions. I think patheces would be greatly appriciated. You don't pay a dime for
mozilla which - I think - has an impact on just how hard you're allowed to bash it!!
I thought it was quite funny and I'm from denmark.
In fact most danes have a very fine sense of humor
and it's known that we're a really small country
(about 5.5 million people).
Offtopic:.. on the other hand we're the largest
exporter of meat from pigs.... go figure.
People keeps talking about real world performance
of this chip, but I can't seem to find
any benchmarks on how well the P4 does
seti, rc5 and various other "real world apps"!
Anyone?
Nice, but succeded to crash it in about 1 minute
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Well... downloaded it, started it, looked fine, couldn't log into slashdot (pressing the button didn't do anything), went searching for an option that could help me, which eventually crashed the browser:(
You forgot the following problems with closed source drivers:
- security issues. - kernel bloat (new api to support those things)
And on the bright side for open source:
- If firms just would release those specs my guess would be that they could fire all of their driver developers for linux. The community would take care of that for them. Which in turn would save them some money!
It all depends. Seen from a producers point of view, it is all about obtaing your goals. In this case the goal is: Keep the computers retail price as low as possible. All leads to
1. Linux 2. Cyrix, 3. Onboard everything 4. Only one type of ram (graphics and main memory IS the same memory)
As a personal note. Linux and Cyrix is quite a good combination as long as you don't require floating point performance.
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Can't comment on the stability of the driver as I haven't tried it -- yet.
:/
The driver though is developed from the NT driver which IMHO is a good sign. NT is way more linux like than Win9X/Me.
Don't know if thats enough to get the MWave back on it's feet. I have heard of problems with IRQs and other things which led me to suspect that the MWave while a great design in theory was a poorly executed design in the real world
See for example
/usr/src/linux/Documentation/sound/mwave
http://www.ibmmwavesettlement.com/
on the matter
Besides the wear and tear the HDD spindown and spinup puts on the server, you have to say
:/
goodbye to some things that I for one wouldn't miss. Once tried hard to make a server (for home use) which should spin down when there was nothing to do. It did and after some time linux woke it up to write som log entries and "do it's thing". Drive spun down. Linux woke it, drive spun down, etc...
Made me crazy. Saw patches wich could make linux stop doing "its thing", but as far as I remember it did so by disabling things that I wouldn't be without in a fallover situation
There are too many things that can go wrong when drives spin up and down. Particularily if the drive hasn't been idle for a large period of time.
:)
I have had disks which have spun for years without problems in a server, but when taken down
in order to upgrade the machine in some way. Some disks don't survive. Why you might ask? The above post is one point. Another is that the heat of old drives really degenerate the components of the HDD and thus it can't stand the powerup cycle which normally puts more stress on the components.
Other HDD have used all the lubricant inside during the years, and when powered up after a server upgrade the HDD doesn't have the power to compensate for the not so smooth motion anymore.
If it ain't broken don't stop it
"gives you the coolest .plan you ever had"
:)
Maybe that what got John Carmack started too?
The other is around a red dwarf only 15 lightyears away
:)
15 lightyears is quite a lot in my world! But then again i also think that 7-11, my pizzaria, my job is faaar away, so don't take my word for it
Mankind is truely to invent something completely different if we want to go anywhere besides our space backyard.
Most propulsion systems today still use the principle of throwing wast amount of mass in the opposite direction of where you want to go. It could be throwing suitcases for that matter (powered by a thousand monkeys throwing an infinite amount of suitcases!)
Longer travel => faster you want to go => more mass/fuel => worse fraction payload/propulsion.
Think of it this way (not truely math correct): In order to go faster you need to throw out mass for a longer period of time. Fine you'll take the extra mass with you. But (and theres always a but) in order to accelerate the now slightly heavier rockect you need to take some extra mass for all the previous accelation!
Actually you can go anywhere without to much fuel, it's a question of time.
But, even with the speed of light we're going really slow (years and hundres of them to anything outside our solar system).
What we really need is a new kind of physics!
As long as there are still 'legacy' X apps, you'll need to run X anyway
I don't really understand why people complain about X. X is nice, extensible, flexible and reasonably fast (both 2D and 3D wise with the event of Xfree 4.x)
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see the architectural disaster that is X go
What architectural disaster? Able to run remote apps, use more than one monitor, infrastructure for 3D and 2D, works on nearly a zillon platforms (last time I looked windows was x86 only, so was BeOS, Others comes to mind easily)
It's not trivial to design an implement an system as large as X, but I for one think that the developers are doing just fine.
Hmm, getting offtopic here.
Gtk+ for framebuffer devices has it's place, but only in lowmemory situations and/or before the
system is really up'n'running (where I think another infrastructure should take over, X for example)
When I started my studies in 1993 I met a lot
;^)
of nice and intelligent people (some of whom I formed studygroups with)
... problem was that they got hooked up on MUDS while I was lucky enough to escape the plague
MUDS didn't catch me (lack of imagination?), but for those of my friends it did catch, I ended up
seeing them again years later! Ofcourse they were all supergods of somekinds (having played litteraly 1000s of hours).
The sad part is that some of my friends actually saw their game being erased because the MUD Masters found that there were to many gods on their mud. 5 years of playing flushed down the toilet in a sec. Tough luck!
I think the prevailing theory is if that we destroy the earth by some conventional (or non-conventional) means, we'll have a place to go.
:^)
If we can't take care of this planet, why on earth should we be able to take care of the next?!
*grin* Never tought of the space programs as means for the humans to get around the fact that when
you polute something you have to clean it up
Makes the space programs the biggest and most expensive cover-ups!!
How come people are so interested in going into space? It's mindblowing cold, HUGE as in defining the word, and generally really hostile towards us humans!
... and I do happend to think that even the wildest and most amazing projects should be evaluated based on questions like: "what can we gain as a race in doing so", or "would we gain more using the money on earth instead".
:/
... and I see no real indication that we're going to get anywhere in space easily, anytime soon!
What is the point of going there? And before people get started. I'm for progress, inventions and the attitude: "we'll do it because we can". But on the other hand I think we have to be a bit realistic sometimes (as a race that is).
Sure we can put a man on the moon. We're obviously also cabable of putting ants on astroids but does that suggest that we're headed for (or should be) deep space?! I for one wouldn't go there in any near future with the technology the human race have at the moment
Stability is the most important thing even for value users on a low budget. Speed comes in second - everytime (well that's my opinion anyway)
What scared me was this sentence
"The 730S claims support for both the 100 and 133MHz DDR FSB frequencies (effectively 200/266MHz). While we could get both settings to work, the 133MHz setting was noticeably less stable even to the point where none of our Windows 2000 tests would complete. Chances are that the issues will be sorted out in future revisions of the chipset if not simply requiring a BIOS update on our particular test board."
I mean it's not as if asus produces low quality boards being it pre-release boards or not. Hopefully it's just a bios issue but could be more than that i fear. Well only time will tell....
Give it time!
Eventually the developers will get around to things like making "light versions" or "navigator" versions.
Why bother concentrating on making a light version when there still are other bugs to iron out?
It could also just be that developers are humans too. Someone within the development team probably just got bored and decided to see if the framework they had built was strong enough to make an irc client on top.
An a litle rant in the end. Nothings stops you from taking the source and modifing it to accept "light" versions. I think patheces would be greatly appriciated. You don't pay a dime for
mozilla which - I think - has an impact on just how hard you're allowed to bash it!!
In what environment would you run an app
without loading (and sharing) the C lib?
Those 300k is probably already loaded and shared among *all* processes
Yours Thomas
I thought it was quite funny and I'm from denmark.
.. on the other hand we're the largest
... go figure.
In fact most danes have a very fine sense of humor
and it's known that we're a really small country
(about 5.5 million people).
Offtopic:
exporter of meat from pigs.
People keeps talking about real world performance
of this chip, but I can't seem to find
any benchmarks on how well the P4 does
seti, rc5 and various other "real world apps"!
Anyone?
Well ... downloaded it, started it, looked fine, :(
couldn't log into slashdot (pressing the button didn't do anything), went searching for an option that could help me, which eventually crashed the
browser
Hmm, not quite stable yet.
You forgot the following problems with closed source drivers:
- security issues.
- kernel bloat (new api to support those things)
And on the bright side for open source:
- If firms just would release those specs my guess would be that they could fire all of their driver developers for linux. The community would take care of that for them. Which in turn would save them some money!
Could someone tell us something about the status of the Xfree86 snapshots - and why the next snapshot hasn't surfaced yet.
It all depends. Seen from a producers point of view, it is all about obtaing your goals. In this case the goal is: Keep the computers retail price as low as possible. All leads to
1. Linux
2. Cyrix,
3. Onboard everything
4. Only one type of ram (graphics and main memory IS the same memory)
As a personal note. Linux and Cyrix is quite a good combination as long as you don't require floating point performance.
Well, so the forgot a "," big deal!
The VIA MVP4 contains a trident blade graphics core.
The memory for the graphics could be taken from main memory (UMA memory architechture). All helps to keep the price low - as well as performance.