This is an issue with the DFSG, which is Debian's social contract. It's fine if you don't get it, but in that case please don't open your mouth on the subject, you only look stupid.
PS: don't bet on Ubuntu still shipping with Firefox, unless they strike the same deal with MozCo RedHat and Novell did, it won't happen.
Really, I don't understand what the Debian Dev's problem was in the first place.
It's fairly simple:
Part of the licensed Firefox artwork (icons and such) are trademarked and not available under a free license (they're, in debian-speak, "non-free")
Debian's DFSG (its "social contract", if you will) doesn't allow anything non-free in the main distro: everything in the main distro must be freely modifiable at will by any user (1)
As per the DFSG, the Firefox artwork therefore can't be bundled in the main Debian distro (at best, they can be relegated to non-free)
Therefore, Debian's building and packaging system strips everything non-free from Firefox and builds what's left (using the free logo and stuff)
But the Mozilla branding rules require that, to call a program "Firefox", you must -- among other things -- build and package the program with the licensed (non-free) artworks and icons
In the past, the Debian maintainers had more or less struck a specific deal allowing Debian to package Firefox without the non-free stuff while still calling it Firefox
But it looks like MozCo has decided to void that agreement, and required of Debian to either ship the branded package wholes or not ship it at all (not with the "Firefox" name anyway)
If someone tried to call Ubuntu, Mepis, or Knoppix "Debian", they would have issues too...
Probably, but what'd happen if someone rebuilt a whole Debian without including the (non-free) debian logo? Because that's what'd be equivalent to the situation between Debian and MozCo
(1): the Debian logo is non-free though, and this is considered a bug by the way
Let's say that you're posting WWII revisionism on an american website. You're protected by the 1st amendment.
Now the website is browsable from... say... France. France has laws against revisionism, so your post is a crime as far as the french law is concerned. Since your post arrived to france, it falls under french juridiction, your crime -- in your own opinion -- was comitted in France even though there was no crime comitted in the USA (interresting isn't it?), and you could be extraded to France to be judged and put in prison.
Fun isn't it?
Becomes much funnier when you put "interresting" countries into play, like, say, China.
I don't think i've seen it on/. yet (but I may very well err). Your feeling is more likely to exist because this thing's several month old (23rd of july)
So it's less of a dupe and more of a "slow news day" thing.
I'm guessing by "LoS" you mean "Location of Service
No, I mean "Line of Sight", as in "the wiimote has to "see" the console
While it's not confirmed I doubt the Wii-mote also has accelerometers for XYZ
It's been comfirmed since like the dawn of times that the wiimote packs accelerometers AND gyrometers AND an infrared pointing device. And had you used your brain for a second, you'd have realized that the Wii Tennis demos aren't even possible without accelerometers.
And it's also been comfirmed that using the sensor bar (i.e., using the IR pointing device) sucks more batteries than not using, which is one more argument that the sensor bar (and the infrared pointing) is but one of the positioning sensing abilities of the 'mote.
they would get interference by the rumble feature
Have you realized that TFA is about the fact that you can implement both rumble and movement detection in the same device without them interfering with each other?
I have left a carpenters level program running on my computer for weeks and it gives the same readings the whole time.
Dude... the carpenter level thingie uses gyrometers, not accelerometers...
I might be wrong on this (and I probably am so feel free to call me out on it) but doesnt the Wii use some kind of sensors attached to the top of your TV screen to triangulate the position of the controller while the PS3 controller actually uses tilt sensors built into the controller itself.
Not exactly.
Nintendo's approach uses two flavours of movement detection: the first is accelerometers & gyroscopes, just what Sony uses on the PS3. The Wiimote has them, and the nunchuck also has them, which means that both can detect tilt and movement along 3 axis (each). This gives them relative positioning, which most game on the Wii will use (Excite Trucks, for example, uses that).
But accelerometers & gyros are known to lose precision over time and go AWOL, which means that you have to recalibrate them pretty often, as in pretty much permanently. They don't allow fine absolute positioning of the controller even over short periods of time.
Yet some gameplays (pointing, aiming,...) do require absolute positioning. This is where the sensor bar comes into play: games don't have to use them, but if they do they can detect the exact position of the 'mote in space (the nunchuck doesn't use the sensor bar), and use that to know, say, where the user of the console is pointing.
I don't know how many games will use the sensor bar, but I already know of a fair number who will: FPS (CoD, MP3) more than likely will and pointing games (Elebits, Trauma Center) will, because none of them can work with merely relative positioning, not enough precision, too much precision loss over time.
The WiiMote looks really neat, but it doesn't come with rechargeable batteries either and it will require line-of-site to get it's X,Y,Z positional info.
Holy astroturfing batman!
The Wiimote requires LoS for absolute positioning, which the PS3 controller cannot do
The Wiimote also packs "six axis" accelerometers and gyroscopes, which means that it's fully as able as the PS3 controller when it doesn't use the Sensor Bar, and works over bluetooth only.
Fun thing is, the Nunchuck also packs "six axis" accelerometers and gyroscopes, which means that the nunchuck alone has the same motion-detection abilities as the PS3 controller.
And the wiimote has rumble, plus a speaker, plus 6kb of memory (the nunchuck doesn't have them)
In a word, idiot. In a phrase, you don't know what you're talking about, please shut up.
PS: the PS3 controller has no precision, it's only able to do relative positioning and relative positioning is known to be imprecise and errorneous over time, Sony doesn't have any magic wand to make these go away, and these issues are the very reason why the 'mote comes with a Sensor Bar: for some things (targetting, pointing,...) absolute positioning is required.
Indeed, people need to understand that Javascript validation of forms is and should always be a courtesy to the user. It can always be avoided, and this means that client-side validation is done solely for the comfort of the user (so that he doesn't waste time making useless errorneous queries to the server).
This means that obtrusive client-side validations generating popups and shit everywhere are beyond stupid. Keep your JS error messages clear yet unobtrusive, because they will never stop someone who wants to fuck with your server.
WTF? GET has uses just as POST has uses. If a request is to be idempotent (read-only query), then it's a GET. Otherwise it's a POST (or a PUT, or a DELETE).
The fact that PHP fails at understanding HTTP doesn't mean that others do so too. For example, the web.py Python microframework behaves this way: you map URLs to classes, and these classes have any of 4 methods: GET, POST, PUT, DELETE (they can have others, but the others are not important). Each method is called when the framework receives the corresponding HTTP request on the resource. This means that you don't handle a POST request the way a GET request is handled (unless you ask for it explicitely, by calling the GET method from your POST), and that the javascript:for(i=0;i<document.forms.length;i ++){document.forms[i].method="GET"};alert("done"); answer to an answer to your post just won't work.
But anyway, it's not important if the heat output of a hard drive is less than that of a CPU if that heat output is what pushes the heat over the line for some component.
The thing's that we're talking orders-of-magnitude difference in heat output here. Your 5400rpm 2.5" HDD usually sits well under 3.5W of heat output during seek (half to a third of that when idle), and even 7200RPM 2.5" HDD don't output much more than 4.5W during seek, and these are the numbers of the worst performers, top-of-the-(silent)-line 2.5" drives sit closer to 2.5W than 2.5 (Samsung M40 is at 2.4W, Seagate Momentus 5400.3 is at 2.7W, these are both seek numbers without AAM).
If 3W can push your components over the line in a current-gen console, then you have much bigger troubles than your hard drive.
while it was a pretty stupid comment, it absolutely could. I had to add a cooling fan to my case right in front to blow over my hard drives because there were way uncomfortably hot being cooled just by the airflow through the case without that fan.
I'm pretty sure that the Xbox uses 2.5" laptop drives, not 3.5" desktop drives. Laptop drives consume noticeably less power and heat far less (I built two different computers in Antec P180 cases, with nothing but the airflow from Seasonic's S12 PSUs [that's nearly no airflow], one has 2 3.5" drives in the lower HD cage while the other one has 2 2.5" drives, the former's drive usually sit around 42C while the latter's don't get much higher than 30C...).
There is no way in hell laptop drives can make a console overheat, and even 3.5" drives won't: the drives will die early if kept at high temperatures, but the heating of the case they produce is insignificant compared to the heat output of CPUs, GPUs, RAM chips or many other electronic circuits.
And the US has a confused view of the French. Especially recently.
The current administration is not confused about France, France disagrees with the views of the current administration, France therefore has it's place on the Axis of Evil list, and it probably hosts terrorists. A lot of them.
Don't move from where you are by the way, the police will be at your place soon to make you realize that the current administration is not "confused" in any way, and that you shouldn't voice such anti-american thought as they support terrorists, undermine the current administration's War on Terror efforts and show a distinct lack of support for the american troops in Iraq.
Well, you can innovate in your user interface (see Office 12's Ribbon), or in quite a lot of UI features and stuff (spell & grammar checking) without the need for your own format.
And if you need to make the format evolve, just get on the format's standardization comitee/board, argue your point, and make the format evolve.
What do you say, others will be able to implement the innovations you add to the format? Why yes, that's called levelling the playing field, and it gives you (as a user) stuff like intercommunication (which is the point of a standard), competition, choice,...
Not to burst your rant bubble, but IE has allowed for using its engine and being named anything people want, several of the 3rd party browsers even do sound a lot like Internet Explorer. MS has to date never sued any of these companies.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but linking against MSHTML.dll or using Internet Explorer's rendering engine was absolutely and utterly not the subject of my post. Thanks for playing though.
Anyone who releases it on their own is sued for copyright violations.
Actually not, it's trademark violation, and it's only if you release it under the name of "firefox". Call me the day when I can fork Internet Explorer and release my patched version as "Intarweb Implorer" without getting sued though.
This is to be taken with a grain of salt and not as a proof of anything until further inquiries, but since it's going to be posted anyway it may as well be posted with some warnings:
By the way, the entire US doesn't pray to Allah, so we haven't become like them.
I fear my point was more about americans having less and less liberties, and happily throwing any they still can find out of the window just because they're told it will help.
Besides, it's not like christian fundies are any better than islamic fundies.
By definition, most terrorists don't care about their own countrymen. Hell, they don't have any issue with BOMBING their own countrymen.
Of course it's much more intimate when it's your neighbourg bombing your ass instead of some napoleon-wannabe, but still...
The terrorists win when their target lives in fear. When their target changes it's way of thinking, living and being because of them. But above all, they win when their target becomes like them.
The terrorists have already won in the US.
Besides, iraqis ain't even the terrorists' countrymen. Not those of 2001, and not those of any bombing before.
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Call me when the non-freeness of the Firefox logo is logged as a recognized bug in Mozilla's Bugzilla mm'k?
This is an issue with the DFSG, which is Debian's social contract. It's fine if you don't get it, but in that case please don't open your mouth on the subject, you only look stupid.
PS: don't bet on Ubuntu still shipping with Firefox, unless they strike the same deal with MozCo RedHat and Novell did, it won't happen.
It's fairly simple:
Probably, but what'd happen if someone rebuilt a whole Debian without including the (non-free) debian logo? Because that's what'd be equivalent to the situation between Debian and MozCo
(1): the Debian logo is non-free though, and this is considered a bug by the way
PS: this post was written with Mozilla Sunbeaver
Works the other way too dude.
Let's say that you're posting WWII revisionism on an american website. You're protected by the 1st amendment.
Now the website is browsable from... say... France. France has laws against revisionism, so your post is a crime as far as the french law is concerned. Since your post arrived to france, it falls under french juridiction, your crime -- in your own opinion -- was comitted in France even though there was no crime comitted in the USA (interresting isn't it?), and you could be extraded to France to be judged and put in prison.
Fun isn't it?
Becomes much funnier when you put "interresting" countries into play, like, say, China.
I'd pick #1 and #2 if you replaced "markt" by "other programmers" in #2.
I don't think i've seen it on /. yet (but I may very well err). Your feeling is more likely to exist because this thing's several month old (23rd of july)
So it's less of a dupe and more of a "slow news day" thing.
No, I mean "Line of Sight", as in "the wiimote has to "see" the console
It's been comfirmed since like the dawn of times that the wiimote packs accelerometers AND gyrometers AND an infrared pointing device. And had you used your brain for a second, you'd have realized that the Wii Tennis demos aren't even possible without accelerometers.
And it's also been comfirmed that using the sensor bar (i.e., using the IR pointing device) sucks more batteries than not using, which is one more argument that the sensor bar (and the infrared pointing) is but one of the positioning sensing abilities of the 'mote.
Have you realized that TFA is about the fact that you can implement both rumble and movement detection in the same device without them interfering with each other?
Dude... the carpenter level thingie uses gyrometers, not accelerometers...
Not exactly.
Nintendo's approach uses two flavours of movement detection: the first is accelerometers & gyroscopes, just what Sony uses on the PS3. The Wiimote has them, and the nunchuck also has them, which means that both can detect tilt and movement along 3 axis (each). This gives them relative positioning, which most game on the Wii will use (Excite Trucks, for example, uses that).
But accelerometers & gyros are known to lose precision over time and go AWOL, which means that you have to recalibrate them pretty often, as in pretty much permanently. They don't allow fine absolute positioning of the controller even over short periods of time.
Yet some gameplays (pointing, aiming, ...) do require absolute positioning. This is where the sensor bar comes into play: games don't have to use them, but if they do they can detect the exact position of the 'mote in space (the nunchuck doesn't use the sensor bar), and use that to know, say, where the user of the console is pointing.
I don't know how many games will use the sensor bar, but I already know of a fair number who will: FPS (CoD, MP3) more than likely will and pointing games (Elebits, Trauma Center) will, because none of them can work with merely relative positioning, not enough precision, too much precision loss over time.
Holy astroturfing batman!
In a word, idiot. In a phrase, you don't know what you're talking about, please shut up.
PS: the PS3 controller has no precision, it's only able to do relative positioning and relative positioning is known to be imprecise and errorneous over time, Sony doesn't have any magic wand to make these go away, and these issues are the very reason why the 'mote comes with a Sensor Bar: for some things (targetting, pointing, ...) absolute positioning is required.
Indeed, people need to understand that Javascript validation of forms is and should always be a courtesy to the user. It can always be avoided, and this means that client-side validation is done solely for the comfort of the user (so that he doesn't waste time making useless errorneous queries to the server).
This means that obtrusive client-side validations generating popups and shit everywhere are beyond stupid. Keep your JS error messages clear yet unobtrusive, because they will never stop someone who wants to fuck with your server.
WTF? GET has uses just as POST has uses. If a request is to be idempotent (read-only query), then it's a GET. Otherwise it's a POST (or a PUT, or a DELETE).
The fact that PHP fails at understanding HTTP doesn't mean that others do so too. For example, the web.py Python microframework behaves this way: you map URLs to classes, and these classes have any of 4 methods: GET, POST, PUT, DELETE (they can have others, but the others are not important). Each method is called when the framework receives the corresponding HTTP request on the resource. This means that you don't handle a POST request the way a GET request is handled (unless you ask for it explicitely, by calling the GET method from your POST), and that the javascript:for(i=0;i<document.forms.length;i ++){document.forms[i].method="GET"};alert("done"); answer to an answer to your post just won't work.
The thing's that we're talking orders-of-magnitude difference in heat output here. Your 5400rpm 2.5" HDD usually sits well under 3.5W of heat output during seek (half to a third of that when idle), and even 7200RPM 2.5" HDD don't output much more than 4.5W during seek, and these are the numbers of the worst performers, top-of-the-(silent)-line 2.5" drives sit closer to 2.5W than 2.5 (Samsung M40 is at 2.4W, Seagate Momentus 5400.3 is at 2.7W, these are both seek numbers without AAM).
If 3W can push your components over the line in a current-gen console, then you have much bigger troubles than your hard drive.
I'm pretty sure that the Xbox uses 2.5" laptop drives, not 3.5" desktop drives. Laptop drives consume noticeably less power and heat far less (I built two different computers in Antec P180 cases, with nothing but the airflow from Seasonic's S12 PSUs [that's nearly no airflow], one has 2 3.5" drives in the lower HD cage while the other one has 2 2.5" drives, the former's drive usually sit around 42C while the latter's don't get much higher than 30C...).
There is no way in hell laptop drives can make a console overheat, and even 3.5" drives won't: the drives will die early if kept at high temperatures, but the heating of the case they produce is insignificant compared to the heat output of CPUs, GPUs, RAM chips or many other electronic circuits.
The current administration is not confused about France, France disagrees with the views of the current administration, France therefore has it's place on the Axis of Evil list, and it probably hosts terrorists. A lot of them.
Don't move from where you are by the way, the police will be at your place soon to make you realize that the current administration is not "confused" in any way, and that you shouldn't voice such anti-american thought as they support terrorists, undermine the current administration's War on Terror efforts and show a distinct lack of support for the american troops in Iraq.
Innovation?
Well, you can innovate in your user interface (see Office 12's Ribbon), or in quite a lot of UI features and stuff (spell & grammar checking) without the need for your own format.
And if you need to make the format evolve, just get on the format's standardization comitee/board, argue your point, and make the format evolve.
What do you say, others will be able to implement the innovations you add to the format? Why yes, that's called levelling the playing field, and it gives you (as a user) stuff like intercommunication (which is the point of a standard), competition, choice, ...
Most frenchs don't care though, I'm french and I mostly don't give a damn about these jokes.
WTF as if a hard-drive could cause a console to overheat...
You, sir, clearly aren't a ninja (that, or your grandma's a better ninja than you)
Sorry to burst your bubble, but linking against MSHTML.dll or using Internet Explorer's rendering engine was absolutely and utterly not the subject of my post. Thanks for playing though.
A baseball bat is always the right tool for the job of convincing people that your views of the world are better than theirs.
Actually not, it's trademark violation, and it's only if you release it under the name of "firefox". Call me the day when I can fork Internet Explorer and release my patched version as "Intarweb Implorer" without getting sued though.
This is to be taken with a grain of salt and not as a proof of anything until further inquiries, but since it's going to be posted anyway it may as well be posted with some warnings:
A blog called Geemondo also reports that Mischa Spiegelmock seemed to have had dinner with Microsoft guys.
(PS: mods, if you want this post to be seen without me karma whoring, just mod it funny)
I fear my point was more about americans having less and less liberties, and happily throwing any they still can find out of the window just because they're told it will help.
Besides, it's not like christian fundies are any better than islamic fundies.
I fear he's not that dumb, and I fear he's not defending anything, seeing what he's doing with the constitution he swore to protect and upheld...
By definition, most terrorists don't care about their own countrymen. Hell, they don't have any issue with BOMBING their own countrymen.
Of course it's much more intimate when it's your neighbourg bombing your ass instead of some napoleon-wannabe, but still...
The terrorists win when their target lives in fear. When their target changes it's way of thinking, living and being because of them. But above all, they win when their target becomes like them.
The terrorists have already won in the US.
Besides, iraqis ain't even the terrorists' countrymen. Not those of 2001, and not those of any bombing before.