Yeah, man. Your boss has your best interests at heart! Just promise me that you'll remember this thread when your job gets offshored to India or China, in a few years. After all, unions "play dirty" and "don't give workers any benefits", LOL.
Seriously, though, those dues are chickenfeed. furthermore, what you may pay in dues would have been lost in unpaid overtime, anyways. Joining a union is like having a CPA do your taxes -- yeah, it costs some money, but in the end you save much more than you paid. Just turn off Fox News and ask around and you'll learn all about it.
Quitting would be a start. Internal organization and negotiation would be another (but not up to union level)
This one is definitely fresh from mommy and daddy's nest. You see, James. Some people have families that they need to feed and don't have the luxury of just "quitting" when their boss plays hardball.
Fact is, management has absolutely no incentive whatsoever to even care a little about worker's rights unless there is something like a union to put the fear of god into em. It ain't perfect, but neither is the whole "let the corps, banks and managers do whatever the hell they want to" plan that caused the economic collapse of 2008. Fact of the matter is, managers can afford to lose some money to "mean" or "unfair" worker organizations. Workers, on the other hand, are pretty much living paycheck to paycheck.
While power hungry bozos try to convince people that's better to form a union that's going to totally screw-up relations with employers
What a child. Unions should no more care about "relations with employers" than slaves should care about "relations" with massa on the plantation. To management, workers are mere "human resources", and if there were some way legally and logistically to throw workers into a great furnace and money pop out, they would do so (and get their pet senators to make it legal, too!)
Until our system is reformed to something where government action isn't based solely on how many senators you can buy or how much you can contribute, unions, weak and flawed as they may be, are the only thing standing between us and absolute corporate dictatorship. With the recent supreme court decision, it's gonna get ugly, let me tell ya.
What is evil is when workers agree on a 4x10 (4 days, 10 hours per day, per week) schedule and union says no (4x10 is better for the environment and everybody?! tough).
2 years later or the next "downturn" that magically becomes 5x10. Fuck that. Oldest management trick in the book.
Evil is union supporting the slackers and making sure the guy that barely does his job, or doesn't at all stays in the company.
Management doesn't need unions for this. They just get their pet senators to give them a bailout cuz they are "too big to fail". As for the so-called union freeloaders you refer to, I'd look for them in the same place as Ray-gun's "welfare queens" -- in imaginaryland.
Young conservatives are cute. You'll change your tune after a few more years away from mommy and daddy.
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Would you also support the right of software companies to collude among themselves to keep wages low?
Naw, they totally don't do that! (sarcasm)
Yeah, man. Your boss has your best interests at heart! Just promise me that you'll remember this thread when your job gets offshored to India or China, in a few years. After all, unions "play dirty" and "don't give workers any benefits", LOL. Seriously, though, those dues are chickenfeed. furthermore, what you may pay in dues would have been lost in unpaid overtime, anyways. Joining a union is like having a CPA do your taxes -- yeah, it costs some money, but in the end you save much more than you paid. Just turn off Fox News and ask around and you'll learn all about it.
Quitting would be a start. Internal organization and negotiation would be another (but not up to union level)
This one is definitely fresh from mommy and daddy's nest. You see, James. Some people have families that they need to feed and don't have the luxury of just "quitting" when their boss plays hardball. Fact is, management has absolutely no incentive whatsoever to even care a little about worker's rights unless there is something like a union to put the fear of god into em. It ain't perfect, but neither is the whole "let the corps, banks and managers do whatever the hell they want to" plan that caused the economic collapse of 2008. Fact of the matter is, managers can afford to lose some money to "mean" or "unfair" worker organizations. Workers, on the other hand, are pretty much living paycheck to paycheck.
While power hungry bozos try to convince people that's better to form a union that's going to totally screw-up relations with employers
What a child. Unions should no more care about "relations with employers" than slaves should care about "relations" with massa on the plantation. To management, workers are mere "human resources", and if there were some way legally and logistically to throw workers into a great furnace and money pop out, they would do so (and get their pet senators to make it legal, too!)
Until our system is reformed to something where government action isn't based solely on how many senators you can buy or how much you can contribute, unions, weak and flawed as they may be, are the only thing standing between us and absolute corporate dictatorship. With the recent supreme court decision, it's gonna get ugly, let me tell ya.
What is evil is when workers agree on a 4x10 (4 days, 10 hours per day, per week) schedule and union says no (4x10 is better for the environment and everybody?! tough).
2 years later or the next "downturn" that magically becomes 5x10. Fuck that. Oldest management trick in the book.
Evil is union supporting the slackers and making sure the guy that barely does his job, or doesn't at all stays in the company.
Management doesn't need unions for this. They just get their pet senators to give them a bailout cuz they are "too big to fail". As for the so-called union freeloaders you refer to, I'd look for them in the same place as Ray-gun's "welfare queens" -- in imaginaryland. Young conservatives are cute. You'll change your tune after a few more years away from mommy and daddy.