The 4th Amendment is important, but so is Article II and the rest of the Constitution. And all of it should be interpreted properly. Many people don't do that.
If we need to infringe upon our freedoms to freedoms in order to 'preserve' them or even gain them, then I'd rather go down fighting.
It is a simple fact that Benjamin Franklin opened other people's mail for intelligence and propaganda purposes during the Revolutionary War. General Washington ran a spy ring that engaged in spying on other colonists. That is how you gained your freedoms. They were maintained by similar means since then. Don't like that? You reject having your freedoms handed to you by such means? You would "rather go down fighting"? You can't change history unless you invent a time machine. My suggestion then is get busy with the mysteries of space-time or move to another country where you will not be so burdened by the unchangeable facts of history.
We're supposed to be 'the land of the free and the home of the brave,' not the land of the utterly worthless cowards
America is the land of the free and home of the brave. There are Americans fighting overseas today against groups that threaten America. Unfortunately there are people that misuse that phrase to suggest that America should take no measures against those that threaten it and Americans should be subject to dying en mass in shopping malls from terrorist bombs because otherwise they are neither free or brave. That is nonsense, ridiculous.
Cowards like you, who worship the government and pretend to want a small government at the exact same time. It's a fucking eyesore.
The problem is entirely yours. There is nothing inconsistent with wanting a limited government that accomplishes its functions competently and efficiently. National defense is a constitutional responsibility of the Federal government. You might have noticed that there are major portions of the Constitution devoted to specifying that.
Your goal seems to be to make the US like North Korea. I merely suggested that you move there instead, since it's a quicker way to get what you want.
Your claim is ridiculous on the face of it. It is just another form of personal attack you have engaged in along with all the name calling.
Oh no, no, no! I am not trying to convince you that "freedom is worthless," but rather am pointing out that you have no useful idea about how your freedom was gained, maintained, and what is needed in the future to ensure it. Your little crack about "North Korea" is only further demonstration of that. In fact that might even suggest that you don't really understand your freedoms, let alone the Constitution.
If you are confusing what goes on in North Korea with what goes on in the US you are badly uninformed indeed.
The United States became a free country due to General George Washington out-spying the British. Spying played an important role in defeating the Confederacy and freeing the slaves. Spying, including keeping the secret of the breaking of Enigma encryption, played an important role in defeating the Axis powers. Spying played an important role in resisting aggression by the Soviet Union and the spread of communism. Spying is what found Bin Laden and has helped to prevent further successful attacks by al Qaida in the West.
Justina Pelletier spent the past year in a locked psych ward, even though doctors disagree about whether her condition is psychiatric.
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I note the articles that come up are all months out of date, and very little has private, protected medical details that you claim to be privy to.
She's still in the hospital. She is still sick. He illness hasn't changed. The background hasn't changed. If it is reported in the story it is fair game. Perhaps you're just not reading the right stories.
I apologize for being so impartial that I didn't crucify the system based on your random guesses and unsubstantiated opinion. I'll try to be more biased next time.
How would I tell the difference?
The system can suck. The government can be wrong. Doctors can be wrong, especially when pursuing their pet theories.
No, it isn't just the parents. The referring physician has some things to say, and the Boston Globe reports that BCH has a string of highly contentious cases in which children were taken away. I think a key question is why didn't BCH have the doctor on staff that had previously treated her see her, since that was the reason she was referred to BCH? You might think that would be useful before saying the whole problem is in her head. The way this travesty is working out it is the state and BCH that is engaged in medical child abuse. Surely it can't be better when the state does it.
BCH had a doctor on staff that had previously treated her. The girl had been referred to that doctor by a doctor at Tufts. Wouldn't you think that just maybe they should have talked to that doctor on staff before making a hip shoot diagnosis of "psychological problem"? The doctor at Tufts was completely cut out despite being the referring physician.
As to Lyme disease, my recollection is that it took some time before the mysterious collection of symptoms had an identifiable cause let a lone a diagnostic test.
BCH has been involved in a string of highly contentious cases in which children were taken from their parents. In this case the child had been referred to a doctor at BCH that had previous treated the child and it appears that doctor was never seen and had no say before the new diagnosis of a psychological problem was used to take the child. Doesn't that strike you as more than a little odd? The referring physician at Tufts that had seen her and referred her was cut out completely, and she was his patient. Yet another oddity. Your theory regarding a "*spurious*" report doesn't really seem to describe the situation. It looks more like someone had a pet theory and applied it to this case, resulting in disaster for the family and improper treatment for the girl who is reported to be going down hill. The hactivists are wrong, but BCH and DFS haven't covered themselves in glory in this case either.
Since they seem destined to exist I hope that the cyber weapons being built have adequate safeguards against their misuse or accidental use.
Cyber warfare is worse than submarine warfare in terms of being able to identify an attacker. It provides the means for potentially anonymous devastating attacks. How will the world react to that?
Cyber arms control will be difficult to achieve, at best, maybe impossible.
Will a "Cyber Geneva Convention" be needed? No attacking hospitals, etc.?
How will organized crime and black hats fit into this framework? Will they be in the new era what pirates were in the 1700s - 1800s?
Fourteen months ago, Justina, now fifteen years old, was seized by Massachusetts DCF after her parents, at the direction of Dr. Mark Korson, took her to Boston Children’s Hospital to see Dr. Alejandro Flores, a gastroenterologist who had previously treated Justina when he worked at Tufts Medical Center before he transferred to BCH. Dr. Korson, Chief of Metabolic Services at Tufts Medical Center, was Justina’s primary physician who was treating her for Mitochondrial disease. Instead of allowing Justina to see Dr. Flores, Justina saw Dr. Jurriaan Peters, a BCH resident only seven months out of medical school. He brought in Dr. Simona Bujoreanu, a psychologist who coauthored an article in which she contends that in up to 50% of children who present with physical complaints, the complaints are not physical but mental. Without consulting with Dr. Korson or Flores, Dr. Bujoreanu rendered a diagnosis of Somatoform disorder.
She was a figure skater. Now the court and hospital records show she's in a wheelchair. Improvement? Not so much. And they aren't letting the physician that referred her to a former college of his at BCH get involved, and she apparently never saw the doctor at BCH that she was referred to.
I know! Who would have though that actually reading the articles would impart so much information, including information about the activities of actual doctors! It's almost like magic.
... as the chief of metabolism at Tufts Medical Center* sat in his cluttered third-floor office in Chinatown last April, his frustration began to boil over. Two months earlier, Korson had sent a 14-year-old patient, Justina Pelletier, to Boston Children’s Hospital to see a former colleague of his who had previously treated the girl for gastrointestinal problems. But things had rapidly gotten off track.
In short order, a team of different Children’s doctors had disputed Korson’s working diagnosis of mitochondrial disease for Justina and accused her parents of medical child abuse. This paved the way for the state child protection agency to intervene and strip the parents of custody on an emergency basis. From there, Justina, against her strong objections, was moved into the hospital’s locked psychiatric ward. Children’s and the state had ignored Korson’s requests to be included in a roundtable meeting to discuss Justina’s care.
Well, no doubt BCH has "top men" working on the case.
Justina’s hospitalization is the most extreme of a handful of unusually contentious cases over the last 18 months involving Children’s Hospital and the Department of Children and Families.
No! What is going on at Boston Childre's is in no way reasonable. Please read the ABC News story. Does this seem "psychosomatic" to you?
Justina's ordeal began in 2010, when she had severe cramps because of a stomach blockage, according to her father. Doctors at Connecticut Children's Hospital unsuccessfully tried to "flush" her lower intestinal tract and subsequently did exploratory surgery, he said. Doctors found a congenital band, about 20 inches of cartilage wrapped around her colon and removed that and the girl's appendix, he said.
In 2011, when her condition did not improve, he said doctors referred Justina to Dr. Alejandro F. Flores, a gastroenterologist at Tufts.
Does referral to a gastroenterologist seem "unreasonable" for a problems of the bowel and stomach??
You don't suppose that the problem could be with Boston Children's? You might want to read this too:
The abuse here is by Boston Children's in the form of an ultimatum: abandon the treatment plan from an expert in the medical area where your daughter has been experiencing problems, as proven by surgery, for our treatment plan that says it is all in your daughter's head or we will use state power to seize control of your child.
Its great you have a theory, but two sisters having the same genetic disease wouldn't be shocking. If you read the ABC news story above you'll see that there is meaningful medical history there that can't be faked. You're assuming that the chief of metabolism at Tufts medical center is wrong, and that Boston Children's diagnosis, for which there is no diagnostic test, is right. And then there is the fact that Boston Children's apparently has a history of these sort of "contentious" actions as noted in the story below.
Munchausen by proxy? That would be tough since they have so little access to her. If anything this is Munchausen by state agency.
Why she has gotten progressively worse in state care over the last year plus? Might that be a sign that treating a physical ailment by psychological means may be... "ineffective"?
One day Justina Pelletier was a seemingly healthy teenager performing jumps and spirals at a skating show and six weeks later, on Feb. 10, 2013, she was in the emergency room at Children's Hospital in Boston after a severe bout with the flu, refusing to eat and barely able to walk.
Her parents, Lou and Linda Pelletier of West Hartford, Conn., say their daughter was diagnosed and being treated at Tufts Medical Center for mitochondrial disease, a rare genetic disorder with physical symptoms that can affect every part of the body. Justina's sister Jessica, 25, is also being treated for the disease.
But three days later, a team of doctors at Boston Children's said her symptoms were psychosomatic, according to the family. The hospital then filed a complaint with the Massachusetts Department of Children and Families, as required by law, because they suspected the parents of child abuse for subjecting their daughter to invasive medical treatments and denying her mental health therapy.... more
... Among other things, the Petition also argues that the requirement to issue detailed written findings of fact and conclusions of law justifying DCF’s intervention has never been met. Never has the juvenile court issued such required findings of fact or conclusions of law.
“This case comes down to the simple fact that new doctors at Boston Children’s Hospital (BCH), who had no experience with Justina, came up with a different diagnosis than her expert treating physicians at Tufts Medical Center,” said Staver. “The state cannot take children from their parents when the parents make reasonable choices for their medical care. This case is outrageous,” said Staver..... Justina has gone from a competitive figure skater to being confined to a wheelchair,” said Staver.
Fourteen months ago, Justina, now fifteen years old, was seized by Massachusetts DCF after her parents, at the direction of Dr. Mark Korson, took her to Boston Children’s Hospital to see Dr. Alejandro Flores, a gastroenterologist who had previously treated Justina when he worked at Tufts Medical Center before he transferred to BCH. Dr. Korson, Chief of Metabolic Services at Tufts Medical Center, was Justina’s primary physician who was treating her for Mitochondrial disease. Instead of allowing Justina to see Dr. Flores, Justina saw Dr. Jurriaan Peters, a BCH resident only seven months out of medical school. He brought in Dr. Simona Bujoreanu, a psychologist who coauthored an article in which she contends that in up to 50% of children who present with physical complaints, the complaints are not physical but mental. Without consulting with Dr. Korson or Flores, Dr. Bujoreanu rendered a diagnosis of Somatoform disorder. Without a thorough review of her care, she opined that Justina’s physical complaints were mental, not physical. BCH then presented the family with a new treatment plan to discontinue all medical care and medications and which forbade any second opinions. When the parents refused to sign the new treatment plan and requested that Justina be discharged so they could take her back to Tufts Medical Center, BCH called DCF, and DCF prevented the family from discharging Justina
You were being sloppy in your quoting just as you are in your history and thinking. Your claim about giving up essential liberty is false.
The 4th Amendment is important, but so is Article II and the rest of the Constitution. And all of it should be interpreted properly. Many people don't do that.
...anyone working there is knowingly helping evil prevail.
So, you think that anyone attempting to protect citizens of the US and its allies is engaged in "evil"?
It is as I suspected then.
Tell me, what do you think about the following item? Is it the NSA and FBI engaged in evildoing? Or are they stopping evildoing?
NSA helped foil terror plot in Belgium, documents, officials say
Those who sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither.
You are apparently trying to quote one of America's founding fathers, and doing it badly. Lets look at the actual quote.
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin
It seems that in misquoting Franklin you omitted some important qualifiers. Were you just reckless, or are you one of those?
If we need to infringe upon our freedoms to freedoms in order to 'preserve' them or even gain them, then I'd rather go down fighting.
It is a simple fact that Benjamin Franklin opened other people's mail for intelligence and propaganda purposes during the Revolutionary War. General Washington ran a spy ring that engaged in spying on other colonists. That is how you gained your freedoms. They were maintained by similar means since then. Don't like that? You reject having your freedoms handed to you by such means? You would "rather go down fighting"? You can't change history unless you invent a time machine. My suggestion then is get busy with the mysteries of space-time or move to another country where you will not be so burdened by the unchangeable facts of history.
We're supposed to be 'the land of the free and the home of the brave,' not the land of the utterly worthless cowards
America is the land of the free and home of the brave. There are Americans fighting overseas today against groups that threaten America. Unfortunately there are people that misuse that phrase to suggest that America should take no measures against those that threaten it and Americans should be subject to dying en mass in shopping malls from terrorist bombs because otherwise they are neither free or brave. That is nonsense, ridiculous.
Cowards like you, who worship the government and pretend to want a small government at the exact same time. It's a fucking eyesore.
The problem is entirely yours. There is nothing inconsistent with wanting a limited government that accomplishes its functions competently and efficiently. National defense is a constitutional responsibility of the Federal government. You might have noticed that there are major portions of the Constitution devoted to specifying that.
Your goal seems to be to make the US like North Korea. I merely suggested that you move there instead, since it's a quicker way to get what you want.
Your claim is ridiculous on the face of it. It is just another form of personal attack you have engaged in along with all the name calling.
Oh no, no, no! I am not trying to convince you that "freedom is worthless," but rather am pointing out that you have no useful idea about how your freedom was gained, maintained, and what is needed in the future to ensure it. Your little crack about "North Korea" is only further demonstration of that. In fact that might even suggest that you don't really understand your freedoms, let alone the Constitution.
If you are confusing what goes on in North Korea with what goes on in the US you are badly uninformed indeed.
The United States became a free country due to General George Washington out-spying the British. Spying played an important role in defeating the Confederacy and freeing the slaves. Spying, including keeping the secret of the breaking of Enigma encryption, played an important role in defeating the Axis powers. Spying played an important role in resisting aggression by the Soviet Union and the spread of communism. Spying is what found Bin Laden and has helped to prevent further successful attacks by al Qaida in the West.
You want to end that streak I take it?
I think you might be too generous with your skepticism.
Congressional Budget Office projections on ObamaCare raise questions about future enrollment
What is it with the hard radical right talking points infesting Slashdot of late? Is this a concerted effort to take over the site?
Discussion instead of choir practice? What "hard radical right" would that be?
Yes, and they pulled her from care. You are asserting that cost isn't an issue?
Do you have anything to substantiate that? As of a month ago she was still there. There are newer articles that indicate the same.
The Sad, Scary Saga of Justina Pelletier - March 27 2014 9:17 AM
Justina Pelletier spent the past year in a locked psych ward, even though doctors disagree about whether her condition is psychiatric.
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I note the articles that come up are all months out of date, and very little has private, protected medical details that you claim to be privy to.
She's still in the hospital. She is still sick. He illness hasn't changed. The background hasn't changed. If it is reported in the story it is fair game. Perhaps you're just not reading the right stories.
I apologize for being so impartial that I didn't crucify the system based on your random guesses and unsubstantiated opinion. I'll try to be more biased next time.
How would I tell the difference?
The system can suck. The government can be wrong. Doctors can be wrong, especially when pursuing their pet theories.
FTFY.
No, it isn't just the parents. The referring physician has some things to say, and the Boston Globe reports that BCH has a string of highly contentious cases in which children were taken away. I think a key question is why didn't BCH have the doctor on staff that had previously treated her see her, since that was the reason she was referred to BCH? You might think that would be useful before saying the whole problem is in her head. The way this travesty is working out it is the state and BCH that is engaged in medical child abuse. Surely it can't be better when the state does it.
Frustration on all fronts in struggle over child’s future
BCH had a doctor on staff that had previously treated her. The girl had been referred to that doctor by a doctor at Tufts. Wouldn't you think that just maybe they should have talked to that doctor on staff before making a hip shoot diagnosis of "psychological problem"? The doctor at Tufts was completely cut out despite being the referring physician.
As to Lyme disease, my recollection is that it took some time before the mysterious collection of symptoms had an identifiable cause let a lone a diagnostic test.
BCH has been involved in a string of highly contentious cases in which children were taken from their parents. In this case the child had been referred to a doctor at BCH that had previous treated the child and it appears that doctor was never seen and had no say before the new diagnosis of a psychological problem was used to take the child. Doesn't that strike you as more than a little odd? The referring physician at Tufts that had seen her and referred her was cut out completely, and she was his patient. Yet another oddity. Your theory regarding a "*spurious*" report doesn't really seem to describe the situation. It looks more like someone had a pet theory and applied it to this case, resulting in disaster for the family and improper treatment for the girl who is reported to be going down hill. The hactivists are wrong, but BCH and DFS haven't covered themselves in glory in this case either.
Frustration on all fronts in struggle over child’s future
But normally they don't deny proper medical treatment.
Since they seem destined to exist I hope that the cyber weapons being built have adequate safeguards against their misuse or accidental use.
Cyber warfare is worse than submarine warfare in terms of being able to identify an attacker. It provides the means for potentially anonymous devastating attacks. How will the world react to that?
Cyber arms control will be difficult to achieve, at best, maybe impossible.
Will a "Cyber Geneva Convention" be needed? No attacking hospitals, etc.?
How will organized crime and black hats fit into this framework? Will they be in the new era what pirates were in the 1700s - 1800s?
You managed to badly wrong with your post right from the start.
Pelletier Family Files Habeas Corpus Pleading, Points Out Disturbing Facts About Boston Children’s Hospital
Fourteen months ago, Justina, now fifteen years old, was seized by Massachusetts DCF after her parents, at the direction of Dr. Mark Korson, took her to Boston Children’s Hospital to see Dr. Alejandro Flores, a gastroenterologist who had previously treated Justina when he worked at Tufts Medical Center before he transferred to BCH. Dr. Korson, Chief of Metabolic Services at Tufts Medical Center, was Justina’s primary physician who was treating her for Mitochondrial disease. Instead of allowing Justina to see Dr. Flores, Justina saw Dr. Jurriaan Peters, a BCH resident only seven months out of medical school. He brought in Dr. Simona Bujoreanu, a psychologist who coauthored an article in which she contends that in up to 50% of children who present with physical complaints, the complaints are not physical but mental. Without consulting with Dr. Korson or Flores, Dr. Bujoreanu rendered a diagnosis of Somatoform disorder.
While I appreciate random guessing as much as anyone, the state is paying for her care since they removed her from her parents.
RTFA
She was a figure skater. Now the court and hospital records show she's in a wheelchair. Improvement? Not so much. And they aren't letting the physician that referred her to a former college of his at BCH get involved, and she apparently never saw the doctor at BCH that she was referred to.
I know! Who would have though that actually reading the articles would impart so much information, including information about the activities of actual doctors! It's almost like magic.
Frustration on all fronts in struggle over child’s future
... as the chief of metabolism at Tufts Medical Center* sat in his cluttered third-floor office in Chinatown last April, his frustration began to boil over. Two months earlier, Korson had sent a 14-year-old patient, Justina Pelletier, to Boston Children’s Hospital to see a former colleague of his who had previously treated the girl for gastrointestinal problems. But things had rapidly gotten off track.
In short order, a team of different Children’s doctors had disputed Korson’s working diagnosis of mitochondrial disease for Justina and accused her parents of medical child abuse. This paved the way for the state child protection agency to intervene and strip the parents of custody on an emergency basis. From there, Justina, against her strong objections, was moved into the hospital’s locked psychiatric ward. Children’s and the state had ignored Korson’s requests to be included in a roundtable meeting to discuss Justina’s care.
Well, no doubt BCH has "top men" working on the case.
Justina’s hospitalization is the most extreme of a handful of unusually contentious cases over the last 18 months involving Children’s Hospital and the Department of Children and Families.
*Cough * cough*.
* Maybe you've heard of them.
No! What is going on at Boston Childre's is in no way reasonable. Please read the ABC News story. Does this seem "psychosomatic" to you?
Justina's ordeal began in 2010, when she had severe cramps because of a stomach blockage, according to her father. Doctors at Connecticut Children's Hospital unsuccessfully tried to "flush" her lower intestinal tract and subsequently did exploratory surgery, he said. Doctors found a congenital band, about 20 inches of cartilage wrapped around her colon and removed that and the girl's appendix, he said.
In 2011, when her condition did not improve, he said doctors referred Justina to Dr. Alejandro F. Flores, a gastroenterologist at Tufts.
Does referral to a gastroenterologist seem "unreasonable" for a problems of the bowel and stomach??
You don't suppose that the problem could be with Boston Children's? You might want to read this too:
Frustration on all fronts in struggle over child’s future
The abuse here is by Boston Children's in the form of an ultimatum: abandon the treatment plan from an expert in the medical area where your daughter has been experiencing problems, as proven by surgery, for our treatment plan that says it is all in your daughter's head or we will use state power to seize control of your child.
Its great you have a theory, but two sisters having the same genetic disease wouldn't be shocking. If you read the ABC news story above you'll see that there is meaningful medical history there that can't be faked. You're assuming that the chief of metabolism at Tufts medical center is wrong, and that Boston Children's diagnosis, for which there is no diagnostic test, is right. And then there is the fact that Boston Children's apparently has a history of these sort of "contentious" actions as noted in the story below.
Frustration on all fronts in struggle over child’s future
Little access? They had like 15 _years_ of access to her. What in the fuck are you carrying on about?
She has been under state control now for well over a year. She has gotten worse under state control.
If you think this is all "in her head" you are wrong. Go read the ABC News story. There is enough medical history to show that it isn't.
You didn't really get the back story right, and I never claimed that DDoSing the hospital helps at all. I have to say it is odd that you think that.
Munchausen by proxy? That would be tough since they have so little access to her. If anything this is Munchausen by state agency.
Why she has gotten progressively worse in state care over the last year plus? Might that be a sign that treating a physical ailment by psychological means may be ... "ineffective"?
I heard about it on the radio a couple of weeks ago. This case is an absolutely appalling abuse of power.
Advocates Fight for Justina Pelletier, Teen Held by State in Psych Ward
One day Justina Pelletier was a seemingly healthy teenager performing jumps and spirals at a skating show and six weeks later, on Feb. 10, 2013, she was in the emergency room at Children's Hospital in Boston after a severe bout with the flu, refusing to eat and barely able to walk.
Her parents, Lou and Linda Pelletier of West Hartford, Conn., say their daughter was diagnosed and being treated at Tufts Medical Center for mitochondrial disease, a rare genetic disorder with physical symptoms that can affect every part of the body. Justina's sister Jessica, 25, is also being treated for the disease.
But three days later, a team of doctors at Boston Children's said her symptoms were psychosomatic, according to the family. The hospital then filed a complaint with the Massachusetts Department of Children and Families, as required by law, because they suspected the parents of child abuse for subjecting their daughter to invasive medical treatments and denying her mental health therapy. ... more
Pelletier Family Files Habeas Corpus Pleading, Points Out Disturbing Facts About Boston Children’s Hospital
... Among other things, the Petition also argues that the requirement to issue detailed written findings of fact and conclusions of law justifying DCF’s intervention has never been met. Never has the juvenile court issued such required findings of fact or conclusions of law.
“This case comes down to the simple fact that new doctors at Boston Children’s Hospital (BCH), who had no experience with Justina, came up with a different diagnosis than her expert treating physicians at Tufts Medical Center,” said Staver. “The state cannot take children from their parents when the parents make reasonable choices for their medical care. This case is outrageous,” said Staver. .... Justina has gone from a competitive figure skater to being confined to a wheelchair,” said Staver.
Fourteen months ago, Justina, now fifteen years old, was seized by Massachusetts DCF after her parents, at the direction of Dr. Mark Korson, took her to Boston Children’s Hospital to see Dr. Alejandro Flores, a gastroenterologist who had previously treated Justina when he worked at Tufts Medical Center before he transferred to BCH. Dr. Korson, Chief of Metabolic Services at Tufts Medical Center, was Justina’s primary physician who was treating her for Mitochondrial disease. Instead of allowing Justina to see Dr. Flores, Justina saw Dr. Jurriaan Peters, a BCH resident only seven months out of medical school. He brought in Dr. Simona Bujoreanu, a psychologist who coauthored an article in which she contends that in up to 50% of children who present with physical complaints, the complaints are not physical but mental. Without consulting with Dr. Korson or Flores, Dr. Bujoreanu rendered a diagnosis of Somatoform disorder. Without a thorough review of her care, she opined that Justina’s physical complaints were mental, not physical. BCH then presented the family with a new treatment plan to discontinue all medical care and medications and which forbade any second opinions. When the parents refused to sign the new treatment plan and requested that Justina be discharged so they could take her back to Tufts Medical Center, BCH called DCF, and DCF prevented the family from discharging Justina