My friend, I never said I personally planned to stick with them for me. However, there are many things I like about Linux, and my own laptops run Fedora (I can't complain properly if I don't use it and send the developers feedback, now can I?) and Slackware. My home servers are now running IRIX and Solaris, and I have poked around with FreeBSD. For my current job I keep up with Red Hat and Solaris, for previous job I was mixed up in the major Linux distros (Fedora/Red Hat/Cent/Oracle, SuSE, Debian/Ubuntu/Mint), plus UNIX flavors (Solaris 8 - 10, HP-UX 11 - 11iv3, AIX 6.1 and 7.1, and FreeBSD). Fact is, I work with what keeps the bills paid.
Slackware counts as a fringe distro, let's face it. They are more like BSD then Linux. Gentoo is a meta distro, so that hardly counts. And Debian...let's see...did Debian adopt Systemd? Network Manager? PulseAudio? Should I continue down the list of Red Hat projects that are mainstream? Oh, and the Linux Standard base calls RPM the standard package.
Ah yes, the developers of GNOME 3, that explicitly said "Having users is not our goal" and still Red Hat (Fedora) shoved it down the users throats? The people who criticize the situation are in this not because of doing nothing, because we were working on actual problems for others. We are here because someone who needed to justify their relevance to the world decided to attack 1 - a problem that wasn't being complained about and 2 - to write his own solution (a developer that does not have a good track record either) and thus reinvent the wheel when there are plenty of open source init alternatives out there (SMF, launchd, and upstart all come to mind).
It isn't that simple. Using old versions isn't a viable option once security updates stop, and Slackware is not a option for a lot of scenarios (say running Oracle DB in the enterprise). Linux is not the novelty it once was
The big issues with systemd are as follows: A large hatred of the developer, and a large group of people who were perfectly happy with the old system and don't like things being shoved down there throats (which applies to me, and I complain equally as much about stupid UI changes in GNOME and Windows (F*ing metro interface...)
Other catches with the FX vs the Phenom II - floating point. Since the modules share FPU, the Phenom II x6 has more FPUs then the FX-8xxx does. And since most people are running Windows 7, not 8 or Linux, the processor scheduling never happens.
Other things I noticed - since most games rely on single threaded performance, the Phenom II has the edge there (and Intel a much larger edge). For heavy math, the AVX on the FX-81xx series performs poorly compared to Intel.
They aren't disappearing, which is why the sales numbers look the way they do. Most people are satisfied with their home computer and won't replace it if they don't have to.
Except we know exactly to expect from Sun/Oracle, the OpenIndiana folks, the FreeBSD, and the OpenBSD folks. Linux devs randomly decide they're going to replace something and call everyone who might who questions them an idiot. And guess what? Red Hat, Debian, and Canonical only support what they ship with their OS as well. You know what we don't have in the other groups? Random splintering and decisions designed to fracture the community.
You mean like RH prior to RHEL 7? Or how about Slackware? Gentoo? Ubuntu LTS? Plenty of distros exist[ed] without systemd and didn't suck. What Red Hat and the systemd crowd doesn't want to here is that most users that care do not want systemd. Most users have no opinion one way or another. Most that do care were perfectly content with the old system and saw much bigger problems in the Linux world that fighting over replacing init takes time away from. If we really needed a new init system, then why not adopt launchd, SMF (which systemd wishes it was), or upstart, and focus on issues that actually matter? Instead, Linux is losing long time supporters and is fracturing itself.
To date I've found that KDE has always had the best multimoniter support. And aside from not being able to set a per-screen background, what's wrong with GNOME's support?
Maybe. Or maybe some of us are moving away from Linux because of too many "my way or the highway" type developers and unfinished crap getting shoved down people's throats. *BSD and Solaris 11 run just fine on my laptop (and my home servers are Solaris 10 and IRIX).
It's not just games that people run on phones. And regardless, Microsoft wants (read; needs) people to release programs in general for Windows mobile, so they seem to be going the path of making it easy for people to just hit "compile" and be able to deploy it.
We don't work on mainframes, servers, and desktops anymore? Sorry, didn't get that memo (and neither did my paycheck). Laptops are largely treated the same as desktops.
Most distros use GNOME. Most distros use PulseAudio. Most distros use NetworkManager And now, most distros use systemd. I'll let you guess who pushed most of these? Guess who is responsible for PulseAudio, NetworkManager, systemd, libxml, gnulib, and very large portions of the GNOME project? And who is the only player that matters for commercial Linux (Oracle doesn't count since OEL is rebuilt RHEL)? Keep telling yourself Red Hat is just/etc/sysconfig and RPM (actually, RPM IS the standard package manager for Linux based on the Linux Standard Base)
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My friend, I never said I personally planned to stick with them for me. However, there are many things I like about Linux, and my own laptops run Fedora (I can't complain properly if I don't use it and send the developers feedback, now can I?) and Slackware. My home servers are now running IRIX and Solaris, and I have poked around with FreeBSD. For my current job I keep up with Red Hat and Solaris, for previous job I was mixed up in the major Linux distros (Fedora/Red Hat/Cent/Oracle, SuSE, Debian/Ubuntu/Mint), plus UNIX flavors (Solaris 8 - 10, HP-UX 11 - 11iv3, AIX 6.1 and 7.1, and FreeBSD). Fact is, I work with what keeps the bills paid.
Slackware counts as a fringe distro, let's face it. They are more like BSD then Linux. Gentoo is a meta distro, so that hardly counts. And Debian...let's see...did Debian adopt Systemd? Network Manager? PulseAudio? Should I continue down the list of Red Hat projects that are mainstream? Oh, and the Linux Standard base calls RPM the standard package.
If you think Linux is a free market you are mistaken. Red Hat IS Linux. They set the standards that everyone else follows.
Ah yes, the developers of GNOME 3, that explicitly said "Having users is not our goal" and still Red Hat (Fedora) shoved it down the users throats? The people who criticize the situation are in this not because of doing nothing, because we were working on actual problems for others. We are here because someone who needed to justify their relevance to the world decided to attack 1 - a problem that wasn't being complained about and 2 - to write his own solution (a developer that does not have a good track record either) and thus reinvent the wheel when there are plenty of open source init alternatives out there (SMF, launchd, and upstart all come to mind).
Plenty of us are, actually. And are running SAP, or any number of other enterprise applications that require stable servers to run on.
It isn't that simple. Using old versions isn't a viable option once security updates stop, and Slackware is not a option for a lot of scenarios (say running Oracle DB in the enterprise). Linux is not the novelty it once was
Well, last time I checked SVGAlib was completely broken on modern Linux...
The big issues with systemd are as follows: A large hatred of the developer, and a large group of people who were perfectly happy with the old system and don't like things being shoved down there throats (which applies to me, and I complain equally as much about stupid UI changes in GNOME and Windows (F*ing metro interface...)
We might not be most users, but we are the ones that made Linux popular in the server and embedded world.
Other catches with the FX vs the Phenom II - floating point. Since the modules share FPU, the Phenom II x6 has more FPUs then the FX-8xxx does. And since most people are running Windows 7, not 8 or Linux, the processor scheduling never happens.
Other things I noticed - since most games rely on single threaded performance, the Phenom II has the edge there (and Intel a much larger edge). For heavy math, the AVX on the FX-81xx series performs poorly compared to Intel.
The funny part is the Phenom II is a much better CPU then the FX.
They aren't disappearing, which is why the sales numbers look the way they do. Most people are satisfied with their home computer and won't replace it if they don't have to.
I thought Microsoft removed desktop Windows from Dreamspark? It's not quite what MSDNAA used to be.
Except we know exactly to expect from Sun/Oracle, the OpenIndiana folks, the FreeBSD, and the OpenBSD folks. Linux devs randomly decide they're going to replace something and call everyone who might who questions them an idiot. And guess what? Red Hat, Debian, and Canonical only support what they ship with their OS as well. You know what we don't have in the other groups? Random splintering and decisions designed to fracture the community.
You mean like RH prior to RHEL 7? Or how about Slackware? Gentoo? Ubuntu LTS? Plenty of distros exist[ed] without systemd and didn't suck. What Red Hat and the systemd crowd doesn't want to here is that most users that care do not want systemd. Most users have no opinion one way or another. Most that do care were perfectly content with the old system and saw much bigger problems in the Linux world that fighting over replacing init takes time away from. If we really needed a new init system, then why not adopt launchd, SMF (which systemd wishes it was), or upstart, and focus on issues that actually matter? Instead, Linux is losing long time supporters and is fracturing itself.
But not anymore. Even Slackware has helpers, with Patrick getting the final say.
You sound like a Fedora user.
To date I've found that KDE has always had the best multimoniter support. And aside from not being able to set a per-screen background, what's wrong with GNOME's support?
Maybe. Or maybe some of us are moving away from Linux because of too many "my way or the highway" type developers and unfinished crap getting shoved down people's throats. *BSD and Solaris 11 run just fine on my laptop (and my home servers are Solaris 10 and IRIX).
If that were the case then Debian GNU/kFreeBSD would be done too.
It's not just games that people run on phones. And regardless, Microsoft wants (read; needs) people to release programs in general for Windows mobile, so they seem to be going the path of making it easy for people to just hit "compile" and be able to deploy it.
Think tablets and phones (Windows Tablets and phones)
Everyone knows BIE is a myth...(although it might be a good campaign platform).
We don't work on mainframes, servers, and desktops anymore? Sorry, didn't get that memo (and neither did my paycheck). Laptops are largely treated the same as desktops.
Most distros use GNOME. Most distros use PulseAudio. Most distros use NetworkManager And now, most distros use systemd. I'll let you guess who pushed most of these? Guess who is responsible for PulseAudio, NetworkManager, systemd, libxml, gnulib, and very large portions of the GNOME project? And who is the only player that matters for commercial Linux (Oracle doesn't count since OEL is rebuilt RHEL)? Keep telling yourself Red Hat is just /etc/sysconfig and RPM (actually, RPM IS the standard package manager for Linux based on the Linux Standard Base)