> I'm going to give SGI one last chance here in the next 20 minutes... I'm going to call them and tell them > what I will do if they don't provide it to me. If they don't break down I will do as I say. This is a true crock of shit.
I have repeatedly requested over the last two months that you (and others having the same problem) to contact me personally so that we can get this resolved. Lets get this resolved! I can't read minds and I don't think management will spring for a CD-ROM to carpetbomb every person in the US to insure that the right party gets what they need.
> Cray's rivals, such as Hitachi, Fijitsu and Thinking Machines took huge chunks of its markets, > even the IBM machines were a threat.
Simply not true. Each of the cited examples had quite small chunks of the worldwide market. Hitachi and Fujitsu (NEC as well) had quite healthy marketshares in Japan, but no where else. At the time of the merger, as far as I recall, there was only one serious Japanese supercomputer in the United States (NEC at HARC). IBM was only a real threat where they were the incumbent or had key software advantages (i.e. CATIA).
Question, if Thinking Machines had such a huge chunk of the market, where is their hardware now?
> When cubicle SGI purchased office Cray they went around and RIPPED the doors off every > Cray office.
My door is happily right where it has always been. Actually, I got the latch fixed after the assimilation. Thinking about it, I don't know of a single door removed in the whole Eagan complex previously known as Cray Park.
I can't recall whether the Y-MP used floroinert, I think it was the standard freon way of cooling. If it does use floroinert, you should be able to get it from 3M, albeit it won't be in the aisle with the scotch tape. Come to think of it, I am fairly certain that it doesn't use floroinert because the Y-MP doesn't have the waterfall stuff that the Cray 2 and machines after the Y-MP (C-90,T-90, etc) have.
Did you get the motor generators with the machine? They are big (and *VERY* *VERY* loud) generators that generate the 400hz power that the Cray's use. They are always kept in a nearby room with serious sound insulation.
Not true. Cray's have had Unix-based systems (called UNICOS) for well over a decade. The Cray 2, released around 1986, had a full SysV system as its sole OS. It also had its own I/O facilities with disks, tapes, and all the typical stuff. UNICOS had everything you would expect from a Unix system, such as X, Motif, emacs, and more.
The confusion may center around three points.
The T3D, which wasn't a self-hosted machine and required a Cray front-end. The T3E, however, was self-hosted.
More recent Crays use a coupla workstations as operator and maintainence workstations.
Older Crays, and their OS called COS, were more dependent on frontend systems.
I hope this clears up some of the confusion.
-Dean
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The key word that I believe you skipped over is definitive. At the rollout of Jessie, it said that there were no IDE's, but that was false because a bunch had just been released, such as CodeWarrior, and I changed the wording to reflect that.
XEMACS isn't an IDE in the truest sense, it is a great editor with the ability to run tools from it. If that were considered an IDE, vi and tcsh (or bash) could also be considered an IDE. I don't know anything about the Nirvana editor, so I won't comment on it.
Jessie exists, runs, and you can get the code for it. There is still a lot of functionality to be added to it, but by giving it to the world, we are explicitly looking for input on what functionality is important.
-Dean
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I believe that Kaffe (www.kaffe.org) is "free", done in a clean room fashion.
> - The data displayer does not look as powerful as in i.e. DDD.
Not yet anyways;-) We are putting alot of our development resources into that portion right now.
If you are interested in keeping up with our data display advances, please consider grabbing from the source tree.
Also, please feel free to send us your data display requirements AND wishes. Data display is a key area because of its importance in the development of serious scientific software.
What aspects of Code Crusader make it superior to vim for big editing jobs?
-Dean
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Can you please send me your email address? I have a coupla questions before I wade into this issue too deep. No salesman will call;-)
-Dean
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Can one of the numerous AC's please enlighten me as to what particular critical pieces are missing?
I do 99% of my work on Linux and all my Irix development machines come fully loaded, so I haven't stumbled over this problem.
If you give me the information, preferably without it ticking, I will take it up the chain and see what I can do. I aint promising nothin', but I *will* try.
We actually considered doing that. DDD has some very nice qualities. We especially liked it's data display capabilities.
There are several reasons that we didn't just start with DDD.
It is very difficult to retrofit non-debugger functionality into a debugger and come up with an IDE that is intuitive and extensible. Our team has tried it before and lived with code that has had that happen to it. Not a pretty sight.
We wanted this to be truly cross-platform, including NT and non-*nix platforms. Qt vs. Gtk wars were raging then and they are raging still, albeit with more civility. I personally evaluated Gtk and found it to be quite reasonable. Qt was dismissed because of its licensing issues at the time. Java and Swing provided a very rich and consistent GUI toolkit.
We have spent literally years designing the infrastructure to create a powerful, intuitive, and extensible environment. It isn't fully filled out yet, but the missing parts will come.
Scaling was of the utmost importance to us. Like trying to retrofit IDE stuff onto a debugger, retrofitting scalability is just as bad. Ask any debugger folks that have added things like thread support and other SMP constructs.
We wanted to build an infrastructure that was usable for other complex tools. Look at VA Linux's VACM product and think of what it would be like using the Jessie infrastructure.
There were several other reasons that have been lost in the mists of time.
> I tried 0.5, but it was pretty miserable on my machine (RH 6, blackdown, 300Mhz, 128 MB). > After the second window opened, it grabbed all my ram, and about half my swap. Everything > slowed to a crawl, and ps showed dozens of processes. None of my other software does this.
On my machine (RH 6, blackdown 1.1.7v3, dual 350Mhz, 256 MB), with a simple toy program, I see that there are 3 processes attributable to Jessie gdb 1.54 MB sh./jessie.51 MB java 11.52 MB
Doh! That will be fixed shortly. Hazards of developing on a system with:/bin/sh -> bash
-Dean
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> > I'm pretty sure that it's being in Java rules > it out of the class of RMS "Free Software" as > it requires propritatary software to run. > (It may be an open standard, but I don't know > of any Free JRE) >
There are other Java's available that are much more "free" (in an RMS sense) that Sun's version, such as Kaffe. Unfortunately Jessie doesn't currently work with Kaffe, but that is currently being looked into.
In all the Jessie demos to various luminaries (including ESR and Miguel) that I have given, the issue has never come up as a problem.
Point me to a decent, preferably open source, Java debugger and I will add the Java support. I started doing the support based on JDB, but found it came up, well, "a little short".
-Dean
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It's in there for several languages (C, C++, Java, and Ada). If you aren't seeing it, please send us the particulars to jessie@sgi.com. That's my code and I am committed to fixing it.
Also, please send us your required AND desired features list. If you would like to help make those features a reality, please check out the How to Contribute section.
Is Jessie named after Jessie Ventura, the Governor of Minnesota?
No. While it is true that most of the work on Jessie was done in Minnesota, the name is a variation on the code name of its predecessor, Nessie, denoting the switch to Java as the primary implementation language. Besides, his name is spelled "Jesse" and not "Jessie".
I also contains a little bit of static analysis functionality as well. It doesn't, however, have some of the things that people traditionally consider part of a full IDE [emphasis mine] such as GUI builders, etc. Those will come. Instead of waiting until Jessie was stocked with every conceivable piece of functionality, we decided to launch it into the world so that the community could help influence its evolution, rather than depending on marketing feedback for its direction.
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No. Actually it is a very good question. The choice of java was made for the very reason that someone might actually want to have a consistent development environment across a variety of platforms.
Re:What do they mean by "cross-platform"?
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We were able to demo it successfully using an NT version of GDB. That was awhile ago, but the changes, as I understand it, were truly minimal.
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An article on SGI been posted for over 3 hours and the AC ranting about the GCC and IDO package hasn't posted yet. Must have taken a long weekend.
> I'm going to give SGI one last chance here in the next 20 minutes... I'm going to call them and tell them
> what I will do if they don't provide it to me. If they don't break down I will do as I say. This is a true crock of shit.
I have repeatedly requested over the last two months that you (and others having the same problem) to contact me personally so that we can get this resolved. Lets get this resolved! I can't read minds and I don't think management will spring for a CD-ROM to carpetbomb every person in the US to insure that the right party gets what they need.
-Dean Johnson (dtj@sgi.com)
As posted by a gracious AC exactly two months ago,
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Irix 6.x:
all included in the soft distribution, download latest GCC from freeware.sgi.com
Irix 5.3:
download gcc from http://reality.sgi.com/ariel/freeware
download headers from http://www.interlog.com/~kcozens/sgi/gcc-irix.htm
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If these are not sufficient, please contact me directly and we can get to the bottom of it.
-Dean Johnson (dtj@sgi.com)
> Cray's rivals, such as Hitachi, Fijitsu and Thinking Machines took huge chunks of its markets,
> even the IBM machines were a threat.
Simply not true. Each of the cited examples had quite small chunks of the worldwide market. Hitachi and Fujitsu (NEC as well) had quite healthy marketshares in Japan, but no where else. At the time of the merger, as far as I recall, there was only one serious Japanese supercomputer in the United States (NEC at HARC). IBM was only a real threat where they were the incumbent or had key software advantages (i.e. CATIA).
Question, if Thinking Machines had such a huge chunk of the market, where is their hardware now?
-Dean
> When cubicle SGI purchased office Cray they went around and RIPPED the doors off every
> Cray office.
My door is happily right where it has always been. Actually, I got the latch fixed after the assimilation. Thinking about it, I don't know of a single door removed in the whole Eagan complex previously known as Cray Park.
I can't recall whether the Y-MP used floroinert, I think it was the standard freon way of cooling. If it does use floroinert, you should be able to get it from 3M, albeit it won't be in the aisle with the scotch tape. Come to think of it, I am fairly certain that it doesn't use floroinert because the Y-MP doesn't have the waterfall stuff that the Cray 2 and machines after the Y-MP (C-90,T-90, etc) have.
Did you get the motor generators with the machine? They are big (and *VERY* *VERY* loud) generators that generate the 400hz power that the Cray's use. They are always kept in a nearby room with serious sound insulation.
The confusion may center around three points.
I hope this clears up some of the confusion.
-Dean
The key word that I believe you skipped over is definitive. At the rollout of Jessie, it said that there were no IDE's, but that was false because a bunch had just been released, such as CodeWarrior, and I changed the wording to reflect that.
XEMACS isn't an IDE in the truest sense, it is a great editor with the ability to run tools from it. If that were considered an IDE, vi and tcsh (or bash) could also be considered an IDE. I don't know anything about the Nirvana editor, so I won't comment on it.
Jessie exists, runs, and you can get the code for it. There is still a lot of functionality to be added to it, but by giving it to the world, we are explicitly looking for input on what functionality is important.
-Dean
I believe that Kaffe (www.kaffe.org) is "free", done in a clean room fashion.
-Dean
It currently does C/C++, Java, and Ada. If you add the other languages, please please please send them back to us.
Add more languages to the syntax highlighting is quite easy and I can give you the simple instructions offline, if you wish.
-Dean
> - The data displayer does not look as powerful as in i.e. DDD.
;-) We are putting alot of our development resources into that portion right now.
Not yet anyways
If you are interested in keeping up with our data display advances, please consider grabbing from the source tree.
Also, please feel free to send us your data display requirements AND wishes. Data display is a key area because of its importance in the development of serious scientific software.
-Dean
What aspects of Code Crusader make it superior to vim for big editing jobs?
-Dean
Can you please send me your email address? I have a coupla questions before I wade into this issue too deep. No salesman will call ;-)
-Dean
Can one of the numerous AC's please enlighten me as to what particular critical pieces are missing?
I do 99% of my work on Linux and all my Irix development machines come fully loaded, so I haven't stumbled over this problem.
If you give me the information, preferably without it ticking, I will take it up the chain and see what I can do. I aint promising nothin', but I *will* try.
-Dean
There are several reasons that we didn't just start with DDD.
retrofitting scalability is just as bad. Ask any debugger folks that have added things like thread support and other SMP constructs.
There were several other reasons that have been lost in the mists of time.
-Dean
> I tried 0.5, but it was pretty miserable on my machine (RH 6, blackdown, 300Mhz, 128 MB).
./jessie .51 MB
> After the second window opened, it grabbed all my ram, and about half my swap. Everything
> slowed to a crawl, and ps showed dozens of processes. None of my other software does this.
On my machine (RH 6, blackdown 1.1.7v3, dual 350Mhz, 256 MB), with a simple toy program, I see
that there are 3 processes attributable to Jessie
gdb 1.54 MB
sh
java 11.52 MB
what other processes are you seeing?
-Dean
Doh! That will be fixed shortly. Hazards of developing on a system with: /bin/sh -> bash
-Dean
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> I'm pretty sure that it's being in Java rules
> it out of the class of RMS "Free Software" as
> it requires propritatary software to run.
> (It may be an open standard, but I don't know
> of any Free JRE)
>
There are other Java's available that are much more "free" (in an RMS sense) that Sun's version, such as Kaffe. Unfortunately Jessie doesn't currently work with Kaffe, but that is currently being looked into.
In all the Jessie demos to various luminaries (including ESR and Miguel) that I have given, the issue has never come up as a problem.
-Dean
Point me to a decent, preferably open source, Java debugger and I will add the Java support. I started doing the support based on JDB, but found it came up, well, "a little short".
-Dean
It's in there for several languages (C, C++, Java, and Ada). If you aren't seeing it, please send us the particulars to jessie@sgi.com. That's my code and I am committed to fixing it.
Also, please send us your required AND desired features list. If you would like to help make those features a reality, please check out the How to Contribute section.
-Dean
Try this and see if it works any better.
-Dean
From the FAQ:
Is Jessie named after Jessie Ventura, the Governor of Minnesota?
No. While it is true that most of the work on Jessie was done in Minnesota, the name is a variation on the code name of its predecessor, Nessie, denoting the switch to Java as the primary implementation language. Besides, his name is spelled "Jesse" and not "Jessie".
I also contains a little bit of static analysis functionality as well. It doesn't, however, have some of the things that people traditionally consider part of a full IDE [emphasis mine] such as GUI builders, etc. Those will come. Instead of waiting until Jessie was stocked with every conceivable piece of functionality, we decided to launch it into the world so that the community could help influence its evolution, rather than depending on marketing feedback for
its direction.
No. Actually it is a very good question. The choice of java was made for the very reason that someone might actually want to have a consistent development environment across a variety of platforms.
We were able to demo it successfully using an NT version of GDB. That was awhile ago, but the changes, as I understand it, were truly minimal.