I would suggest that if you want to provide this service, outsource it to another company. It appears this organization already uses contractors exetensively, so why not hire someone who can absorb the liability if something goes wrong during repairs?
SS is actually 12% of your gross income (usually split 6%/6% between employer and employee). I am not real sure where you got 25% from but you should be able to do the math on any of your paychecks.
First off, my family was on welfare/foodstamps/WIC for two years while I was growing up and I saw my mother struggle to get a job and make ends meet so she could get off of these programs. She eventually did get off of the programs, get her degree, and finally get a good enough job to provide for us.
I want to re-iterate that I am in no way against these programs for people who are struggling and are continuing to strive to get off of them. (I did not intend to portray that I dislike the homeless, despite what tabrnaker said)
What makes me callous is seeing people accepting government program dollars who also:
- Have expensive/fancy cars
- Wear expensive/fancy clothes and shoes
- Have cellular phone service
- Have cable television
I believe people should tighten up the belt to make ends meet before relying on the system. If we are going to provide these dollars, maybe we should have a social worker or counselor sit down with applicants and help them find ways to stretch their money. I also realize that some people already have cut back on these non-essentials and still cannot make ends meet. If this is the case, I surely agree that we should help them.
I have seen these exact instances first hand. I work for a utility and have dealt directly with customers applying for governnment assistance who are unable to pay their utilty bill but have all of these non-essentials as well as others.
I understand what you are saying, but I strongly disagree that buying a house is overextending yourself. (Better to build equity and owneership than to make someone else richer) I do agree that most people could keep their head above water at $50k but would probably be reliant on the government via SS for retirement.
Actually, I should have stated that I am frustrated rather than angry. I am not saying that anyone is worth 90 million dollars or even 900k for that matter. I would just like to see a society where everyone contributes so everyone can reap the benefits.
Man...
You are way out of line. The very first statement I made was that I agreed money does not buy happines. My point is that people who are truly "down and out" or really struggling deserve and need the government's help. Unfortunately, I have become calloused to the percentage of the "Real World" which sees people accepting hand-outs and not trying to better themselve. This is where my anger comes from.
Please tell me where your anger comes from. I would like to hear a valid argument instead of boisterous exaggerations of my comments and I am sure that the other intelligent readers here would also appreciate it. BTW, I agree that societies should safeguard the people but they also exist to better the people who are served by the society.
You're right with regards to the 31% only being above a certain threshold....
The person making $80k would pay:
$715 for the 10% tax bracket
$3285 for the 15% tax bracket
$10325 for the 25% tax bracket
$2702 for the 28% tax bracket
for a grand total of.. $17,207
The person making $20k would pay:
$715 for the 10% tax bracket
$1928 for the 15% tax bracket
for a grand total of.. $2643
This skews even more for the supposed person making $900k per year..
$715 for the 10% tax bracket
$3285 for the 15% tax bracket
$10325 for the 25% tax bracket
$21392 for the 28% tax bracket
$56876 for the 33% tax bracket
and $203,315 for the 35% tax bracket
for a whopping total of... $295,908
That is right...$295,908 in taxes going to Federal Income Tax. The statements I have been reading on this post say to me... "Well, these people make enough money. They owe more to society." For the most part these are the people who create jobs or make companies run or have come up with brilliant ideas to save lives or created new technologies and they should be paid appropriately because they put their ass on the line and SUCCEED. Believe it or not, cash compensation is still the biggest influence for most job-seekers. Where is the motivation if the government is going to take most of the difference away?
Yes, my argument was mis-stated but I do not think it is purely fallacious. The numbers do not lie.
First off, you make a good argument except for the fact that the person making $80k a year is already paying 4x the amount in Federal taxes versus the person making $20k a year. Why does everyone demand that the higher paid people of this country not only pay more money based on an equal tax rate.... but also require them to pay tax dollars at a higher rate pe person (A person making $80k a year would probably fall in the ~31% bracket whereas the other would fall in the ~15% bracket.)
I understand that many people are down on theie luck or are having to struggle to survive, but a person who makes $80k a year most likely did not just magically have the money start coming to them for doing nothing. (Unlike Heinz-Kerry and Paris Hilton, etc.) These people have either worked very hard to achieve an important position or they have endured years of education to achieve the knowledge to earn this type of salary. It does not seem fair to now say....
Good job on your hard work.. Now you owe more back to society.
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I would suggest that if you want to provide this service, outsource it to another company. It appears this organization already uses contractors exetensively, so why not hire someone who can absorb the liability if something goes wrong during repairs?
And furthermore, I would assume that you have never committed a murder while driving your Honda....
SS is actually 12% of your gross income (usually split 6%/6% between employer and employee). I am not real sure where you got 25% from but you should be able to do the math on any of your paychecks.
First off, my family was on welfare/foodstamps/WIC for two years while I was growing up and I saw my mother struggle to get a job and make ends meet so she could get off of these programs. She eventually did get off of the programs, get her degree, and finally get a good enough job to provide for us.
I want to re-iterate that I am in no way against these programs for people who are struggling and are continuing to strive to get off of them. (I did not intend to portray that I dislike the homeless, despite what tabrnaker said)
What makes me callous is seeing people accepting government program dollars who also:
- Have expensive/fancy cars
- Wear expensive/fancy clothes and shoes
- Have cellular phone service
- Have cable television
I believe people should tighten up the belt to make ends meet before relying on the system. If we are going to provide these dollars, maybe we should have a social worker or counselor sit down with applicants and help them find ways to stretch their money. I also realize that some people already have cut back on these non-essentials and still cannot make ends meet. If this is the case, I surely agree that we should help them.
I have seen these exact instances first hand. I work for a utility and have dealt directly with customers applying for governnment assistance who are unable to pay their utilty bill but have all of these non-essentials as well as others.
I understand what you are saying, but I strongly disagree that buying a house is overextending yourself. (Better to build equity and owneership than to make someone else richer) I do agree that most people could keep their head above water at $50k but would probably be reliant on the government via SS for retirement.
Actually, I should have stated that I am frustrated rather than angry. I am not saying that anyone is worth 90 million dollars or even 900k for that matter. I would just like to see a society where everyone contributes so everyone can reap the benefits.
Man...
You are way out of line. The very first statement I made was that I agreed money does not buy happines. My point is that people who are truly "down and out" or really struggling deserve and need the government's help. Unfortunately, I have become calloused to the percentage of the "Real World" which sees people accepting hand-outs and not trying to better themselve. This is where my anger comes from.
Please tell me where your anger comes from. I would like to hear a valid argument instead of boisterous exaggerations of my comments and I am sure that the other intelligent readers here would also appreciate it. BTW, I agree that societies should safeguard the people but they also exist to better the people who are served by the society.
You're right with regards to the 31% only being above a certain threshold ....
The person making $80k would pay:
$715 for the 10% tax bracket
$3285 for the 15% tax bracket
$10325 for the 25% tax bracket
$2702 for the 28% tax bracket
for a grand total of..
$17,207
The person making $20k would pay:
$715 for the 10% tax bracket
$1928 for the 15% tax bracket
for a grand total of..
$2643
This skews even more for the supposed person making $900k per year..
$715 for the 10% tax bracket
$3285 for the 15% tax bracket
$10325 for the 25% tax bracket
$21392 for the 28% tax bracket
$56876 for the 33% tax bracket
and $203,315 for the 35% tax bracket
for a whopping total of...
$295,908
That is right...$295,908 in taxes going to Federal Income Tax. The statements I have been reading on this post say to me... "Well, these people make enough money. They owe more to society." For the most part these are the people who create jobs or make companies run or have come up with brilliant ideas to save lives or created new technologies and they should be paid appropriately because they put their ass on the line and SUCCEED. Believe it or not, cash compensation is still the biggest influence for most job-seekers. Where is the motivation if the government is going to take most of the difference away?
Yes, my argument was mis-stated but I do not think it is purely fallacious. The numbers do not lie.
First off, you make a good argument except for the fact that the person making $80k a year is already paying 4x the amount in Federal taxes versus the person making $20k a year. Why does everyone demand that the higher paid people of this country not only pay more money based on an equal tax rate.... but also require them to pay tax dollars at a higher rate pe person (A person making $80k a year would probably fall in the ~31% bracket whereas the other would fall in the ~15% bracket.)
I understand that many people are down on theie luck or are having to struggle to survive, but a person who makes $80k a year most likely did not just magically have the money start coming to them for doing nothing. (Unlike Heinz-Kerry and Paris Hilton, etc.) These people have either worked very hard to achieve an important position or they have endured years of education to achieve the knowledge to earn this type of salary. It does not seem fair to now say....
Good job on your hard work.. Now you owe more back to society.
Just some thoughts.