Actually doing just that doesn't work because you have to make sure that x isn't running when you run the install script you get from nVidia.
Anyway, that wasn't my point at all. I was just trying to point out that Linux is also pretty easy to install. In interest of full disclosure, I listed every single problem I had. So, two minor problems. Meaning Linux really isn't that hard.
It took me about 30 minutes of research and trying out stuff to install it (like I said, I had a real hard time finding documentation that actually worked). As I understand it, if I had used Ubuntu I could have just clicked a check box, typed in nVidia, and hit go. Which is why I want to try that out next time.
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The only lies I've read about UAC are the ones I've read on Slashdot. I actually use Vista, and so do a lot of friends and coworkers, so I have direct experience with UAC. Basically put, your "administrator" account runs as a user. Things that require admin priveledges require you to click the UAC prompt to promote your account to Administrator temporarily. It does show up if you're opening the control panel or writing to areas like program files or windows system directory. It also shows up if your ACLs on the filesystem don't allow you access, or if you're installing programs.
Once all my programs were installed, I would go days without seeing a UAC prompt. It hardly conditions you unless you're doing something wrong.
How do you know that the article is indicitive of the experience that the average user will get from Vista? For every article that slashdot posts bitching about Vista, I know another guy who installs it and runs it with zero problems.
By the same token, is it ok for people to complain about how broken Linux is because they can't get it to work on their hardware?
What I'm saying is, the articles Slashdot posts aren't really indicitive of the realities of running Vista.
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I didn't buy it. I get it via my MSDN subscription (through work). As far as being a fool for running, well lets just say my experience is nothing like yours. I actually like Vista. Its fast and responsive. I go days without seeing a UAC box, but its nice to know my account has user level priveledges instead of admin.
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Have you actually used Vista? Your post history seems to suggest that you haven't.
Linux was pretty easy for me. Except I had to edit some config files in vi to toggle hardware mouse cursors because my cursor was invisible on install. Getting the proper nVidia drivers was a bitch for me though, mostly because I'm not very experienced with Linux and I couldn't seem to find any documentation about how to get a bash shell without x running.
This was Fedora Core 5. But then again I'm pretty unlucky with Linux installs, so that wasn't a big deal for me. Next time I'm trying Ubuntu.
As far as office suites go, how is Open Office not good enough?
What kind of 3rd party apps are you looking for? I haven't found Linux lacking in this regard, but then again I'm mostly using it as a server.
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Nothing that you probably need. Its slightly better than XP. Not 5-years-of-development better, but slightly. For all the flack, FUD, and outright lies that Slashdotters fling about UAC, it actually is a good idea, and a step in the right direction for Windows.
Burn the MSDN image, grab RAID drivers for my onboard RAID, put the drivers on my USB key, then boot the Vista install disk. Go through the usual setup with the drivers. Reboot. All hardware is auto-detected and drivers installed except for my Creative Audigy 2 sound card. Pull the drivers from their site and install. Update nVidia drivers while I'm at it. Works great, no problems.
I don't know exactly what NASA's design is, but the habitats created by Bigelow use a very strong material for the walls, and they create a thick multi-layered system to mitigate the effects of punctures.
But I don't see any actual products, just products by other companies that licensed their technology. I guess if they made a piece of hardware that Logitech just sticks in their joystick that would be one thing, but their website is pretty vague about what Immersion itself actually creates. Theres a lot of talk about licensing, and I did find a snippet about some middleware, but thats about it. I'm not saying that they don't have their own products, but their site doesn't seem to indicate whether or not they actually develop the hardware or technology, thus my original question.
It's a shame that Immersion did manage to wring money out of Sony. I'm not a fan of Sony's corporate behavior recently, but they're the victim in this.
Do Immersion actually make any products, or do they license out rumble technology?
So Microsoft settles for 26 million and they caved, but Sony settles for 150 million and its a great victory? Thats quite the spin there.
I don't know why an absolutely huge Sony fanboy is going around calling other people fanboys. Seriously, I hope you're employed by Sony, because its sad to think that someone could be so devoted to a company.
Its Sony's right to give out information to whoever they choose.
I think the more interesting thing here is that they're planning on copying Nintendo and Microsoft's ideas. Its a pretty cool combination of the two ideas though.
I agree with the control panel assessment. I can't point out what exactly it is with the new icons, but I always seem to get this reaction where I have trouble finding the right icon. Part of it is that they made more settings immediately accessable from the control panel, without having to dig through sub menus.
I've never used Mac Spotlight, but from what you're describing it sounds like something that Vista has too. The new start menu has a little box where you can type application names and such. I barely ever used it though, so I don't know how well it works. Like I said, I mostly used shortcuts.
And I agree that saying that I didn't like the new programs menu because I don't know how to use a mousewheel is pretty idiotic.
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Sony gave them money too. Thus the article. Should we boycott the PS3 too?
Actually doing just that doesn't work because you have to make sure that x isn't running when you run the install script you get from nVidia.
Anyway, that wasn't my point at all. I was just trying to point out that Linux is also pretty easy to install. In interest of full disclosure, I listed every single problem I had. So, two minor problems. Meaning Linux really isn't that hard.
It took me about 30 minutes of research and trying out stuff to install it (like I said, I had a real hard time finding documentation that actually worked). As I understand it, if I had used Ubuntu I could have just clicked a check box, typed in nVidia, and hit go. Which is why I want to try that out next time.
The only lies I've read about UAC are the ones I've read on Slashdot. I actually use Vista, and so do a lot of friends and coworkers, so I have direct experience with UAC. Basically put, your "administrator" account runs as a user. Things that require admin priveledges require you to click the UAC prompt to promote your account to Administrator temporarily. It does show up if you're opening the control panel or writing to areas like program files or windows system directory. It also shows up if your ACLs on the filesystem don't allow you access, or if you're installing programs.
Once all my programs were installed, I would go days without seeing a UAC prompt. It hardly conditions you unless you're doing something wrong.
How do you know that the article is indicitive of the experience that the average user will get from Vista? For every article that slashdot posts bitching about Vista, I know another guy who installs it and runs it with zero problems.
By the same token, is it ok for people to complain about how broken Linux is because they can't get it to work on their hardware?
What I'm saying is, the articles Slashdot posts aren't really indicitive of the realities of running Vista.
I didn't buy it. I get it via my MSDN subscription (through work). As far as being a fool for running, well lets just say my experience is nothing like yours. I actually like Vista. Its fast and responsive. I go days without seeing a UAC box, but its nice to know my account has user level priveledges instead of admin.
Have you actually used Vista? Your post history seems to suggest that you haven't.
.Net Framework 2.0 works with Vista. Don't know about SQL Server, since I haven't installed that yet.
Did I say installing Linux was any harder?
Linux was pretty easy for me. Except I had to edit some config files in vi to toggle hardware mouse cursors because my cursor was invisible on install. Getting the proper nVidia drivers was a bitch for me though, mostly because I'm not very experienced with Linux and I couldn't seem to find any documentation about how to get a bash shell without x running.
This was Fedora Core 5. But then again I'm pretty unlucky with Linux installs, so that wasn't a big deal for me. Next time I'm trying Ubuntu.
As far as office suites go, how is Open Office not good enough?
What kind of 3rd party apps are you looking for? I haven't found Linux lacking in this regard, but then again I'm mostly using it as a server.
Nothing that you probably need. Its slightly better than XP. Not 5-years-of-development better, but slightly. For all the flack, FUD, and outright lies that Slashdotters fling about UAC, it actually is a good idea, and a step in the right direction for Windows.
Burn the MSDN image, grab RAID drivers for my onboard RAID, put the drivers on my USB key, then boot the Vista install disk. Go through the usual setup with the drivers. Reboot. All hardware is auto-detected and drivers installed except for my Creative Audigy 2 sound card. Pull the drivers from their site and install. Update nVidia drivers while I'm at it. Works great, no problems.
I don't know exactly what NASA's design is, but the habitats created by Bigelow use a very strong material for the walls, and they create a thick multi-layered system to mitigate the effects of punctures.
But I don't see any actual products, just products by other companies that licensed their technology. I guess if they made a piece of hardware that Logitech just sticks in their joystick that would be one thing, but their website is pretty vague about what Immersion itself actually creates. Theres a lot of talk about licensing, and I did find a snippet about some middleware, but thats about it. I'm not saying that they don't have their own products, but their site doesn't seem to indicate whether or not they actually develop the hardware or technology, thus my original question.
I wonder if these structures will be anything like the ones launched by Bigelow Aerospace. Their inflatable space habitat seems to be doing well.
I wouldn't take Norton AV if they payed me to install it. Its one of the worst AV options out there. Download AVG for home use.
It's a shame that Immersion did manage to wring money out of Sony. I'm not a fan of Sony's corporate behavior recently, but they're the victim in this.
Do Immersion actually make any products, or do they license out rumble technology?
Microsoft apparently paid 26 million.
So Microsoft settles for 26 million and they caved, but Sony settles for 150 million and its a great victory? Thats quite the spin there.
I don't know why an absolutely huge Sony fanboy is going around calling other people fanboys. Seriously, I hope you're employed by Sony, because its sad to think that someone could be so devoted to a company.
Except that Sony did cave and hand over millions in cash. 150 million.
They literally said "over 1000" but speculation is that the number is fairly close to that.
Its Sony's right to give out information to whoever they choose.
I think the more interesting thing here is that they're planning on copying Nintendo and Microsoft's ideas. Its a pretty cool combination of the two ideas though.
Agreed. I was surprised at how well he answered the questions, given Sony's recent epidemic case of foot-in-mouth-itis.
I agree with the control panel assessment. I can't point out what exactly it is with the new icons, but I always seem to get this reaction where I have trouble finding the right icon. Part of it is that they made more settings immediately accessable from the control panel, without having to dig through sub menus.
I've never used Mac Spotlight, but from what you're describing it sounds like something that Vista has too. The new start menu has a little box where you can type application names and such. I barely ever used it though, so I don't know how well it works. Like I said, I mostly used shortcuts.
And I agree that saying that I didn't like the new programs menu because I don't know how to use a mousewheel is pretty idiotic.
I find it ironic that someone complaining about objectivity would spell MS as M$...