ESPECIALLY for anything going on outside our planet. Metric works very well with scientific notation, which is a near must when dealing with astronomical values. Try typing in 80 zeros;)
I'm a red blooded american, but for my experience with research, it rings true.
Fire the fool[s] who used english. **Very** few advanced fields can justify using english! Architecture is the only widespead advanced trade I can pull of the top of my head. Yards of all things...this almost smells of Spook BS(TM). Maybe Mr. Probe took some images on shit on mars that everyman shouldn't be seeing.
It doesn't take a ROCKET SCIENTIST to figure all that out.
I'm sooo glad I finished prison, er, high school 3 years ago.
Anyone who says there is any decent, respectable, logical use for this crap, I have this to say: FUCK YOU. May your intestines rot in the cesspool from which you were born.
DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER, for real.
Once all the kiddies have been born n bred with this shit, does anyone think it would be difficult at all to force this on the sheep, er, masses? Not I.
...as long as it [pgp] hasn't been compromised, or the NSA hasn't used mind control to get some genius mathmetician to develop a new prime number theory, this should nix most of what the 'Feds are trying to get away with.
Just make sure each end has DSL or two-way cable;)
I'm not going to bother using *any* internet phone proggie until I get my adsl line in (sorry, I simply do NOT buy that decent voice will go over POTS analog connections) but good encryption combined with a net phone sounds like a lot of fun.
...many monitors support up to 200hz at certain resolutions. Doesn't mean they do them all that well;) I like to play with new monitors and figure out the 'optimum' refresh for each resolution. Thankfully I have a g400 to help me do so.
In most people, its a real small degree. But that goddamn flickering ends up fucking with the firing of neurons, even on normal people. Hence annoying.
The coppermine will have a s370 version, with flip-chip packaging. Camino is due out very soon(TM) and will be slot 1 or s370 depending on who makes the board.
As for the 650 athlon, ok then. Find me a dual motherboard. OOPS, Not yet. How much is that 650 athlon? P3-500s are very damn close to $200 a pop now. Dual BX boards for $150. Single athlon boards for $200...if you can find one:P not to mention the athlon itself.
FASTEST? Who cares, I could [in theory] go out and blow a couple mill if I want fastest. PRICE VS PERFORMANCE:) is top concern for those of us who are not dreaming about being a millionare, or already are.
I'm not intel monkey. But you cannot EVER start ignoring two little things, $price tag and availability.
"Does anyone (else) remember the DEC Firefly - ISTR it was one of the first implementations of Berkeley cache coherency schemes, and came with *five* CPU's. I guess it was PDP-11 or VAX based, probably running RSX-11 or VMS, but conceivably it could have run Ultrix."
And how many 5 cpu systems are there compared to 2^x? Hardly any. Theres a reason they like 2^x cpus, or at least even, often faked to 2^x thru bridges a la 6. Thats what I'm getting at. I never said it couldn't have 5, just thats its odd.
"Principal performance limitations on SMP are (a) memory bandwidth and (b) kernel threading granularity. Cray had the latter well licked in Unicos before they started going to the wall; 32 processor YMP's and x90's work perfectly well, though the main OS intensive bits in supercomputer apps tend to be I/O."
In the same vein, NEC's SX-5 supercomputers (32 cpus, 128Gb/sec* memory bandwidth) can be clustered, and I think the cluster has some SSI (Single System Image) behaviour.
"The SGI/Cray Origin 2K (ccNUMA) is supposed to be single system image, and they ship that in a 128 CPU config, using a 2x2 crossbar to join four 32-cpu racks. Anyone played with one?"
Bet its parallel at heart.
"I know also that a one-off 128 or 256 proc version of the old Convex S-Class (now HP V-Class / Qdome) was made, I think for CalTech. This would be running SPP-UX I presume, don't know if it's SSI though."
My guess is parallel, again.
"If you think 4Gb RAM and 4 CPUs is a big box, you've spent too long listening to the marketing boys in Redmond."
Did I say anything like this? NO. Thank you for putting words in my mouth. However, any one of those space heaters is well beyond any individual needs of any kind. Someone gets to play with one during a degree lineup or in some company basement, and they think they're god.
Redmond? Since when did I say anything about MS? You assumed, though it only makes you the ass, contrary to the usual 'u' and 'me'
"* yes, Gigabytes per second, it's not a misprint"
Oh gee, like I failed basic college chemistry or something. 'Duh, whats G stand for?' Please.
You have some sort of superiority complex.
BTW,
"Multiple cpus like to be base2 numbers (2^x) or at least even -- don't they?"
"A BX board (say, BE6 or BP6, $100-$125) plus a nice celeron or two (~$100 or less) is dirt cheap. And fast. If you happen to have, say a Pentium on a TX with first gen sdram (very common in ~97) this is a wonderful upgrade."
This paragraph got nixed somehow. I think because I had a less than symbol in there OOPS:)
Sure, you can't bump a pentium to a p6 core chip (pii piii celeron)
HOWEVER, lets take a closer look at this.
SURE, you can even take all the way back to an old 6100 up to a g3. 'Bump' a 601 to a 750. BUT WHY? You are taking a brand new chip, and running it on ooooollllllddddddd motherboard, ram, video and HD! Not super cheap either.
Even taking a PCI mac and sticking a g3 or g4 into it is going to have bottlenecks. The cpu tends to be the LAST bottleneck. The HD is the first, then the motherboard/ram.
Someone get me a price on all those g3 upgrades;) I know they're not cheap at all, I still get mac catalogs from olden days. (once you're on a catalog list, you stay on for 10-15 years;)
A BX board (say, BE6 or BP6, $100-$125) plus a nice celeron or two (wonderful upgrade.
ATX case? If yes, then good. (also common in mid-late 97) If not, $50-150 depending how nice you want it (I recommend high end:) and ATX has a good 3-5 years in it at least. A good AT tower lasted a looooonnnnggggg time from day one.
Even taking the g3 to a g4 is going to have bottlenecks! Apple was a dick for putting in the temporary disable, but I'd rather have the new motherboard, that actually supports all the features of the g4. Too bad though, have to chuck out $1600+ for a new system. Instead of $200-500 for a comparable speed upgrade. Apple lets you swaps cpus, but not mobos. Without the new mobo, you can't get nice new ram, new/betetr slots etc etc.
Before you come back and yak about how great it is that apple n 3rd party cpu boosters are available, take a closer look at reality.
This is old news...when people started getting their hands on g4s somehow (motorola ones, no altivec I think?) they worked fine, until people did the mac equiv of bios flashing, and found OPS no boot. Thanks to apple, new revisions said "Hey! you're breaking one of the ten commandments, 'thou shalt not modifieth thine hardware beyond apple approved *cough*overpriced*cough stuff' no soup for you!";)
This is months old. I know this, and I'm not even a mac guy!
Multiple cpus like to be base2 numbers (2^x) or at least even (I recall 6 ppros via way of two 'four cpu' hubs that used the 'fourth' cpu spot to fake out and talk to the other hub, and the same for the other hub, hence 6 total) don't they?
As for 128 LOL there's hardly any OS that would have a clue. Only parallel setups achieve that. Can you say idle time?:) "Hi, meet my new space heater. Doubles as a computer, only cost $100,000"
Hereforto, from now on, only open source crap for me.
I don't care if I have to stop playing halflife, byebye MS stuff.
Byebye anything from pretty much any company. Trust no one for real.
If I can't get a supergeek to tell me the code is 1) legit 2) fairly secure and 3) hasn't been fucked with by spooks then 4) It goeth the way of ye dinosaurs on my HD. Since, gee, pretty much only some *nix variants have a shits chance in hell of passing those 3 (by way of being able to see the code in the first place) thats all I'll use.
Why coincidences happen more often than they should, and its not all 'in our heads' like the psychobabblists like to tell us.
My bet is that it has something to do with quantum mechanics. Those things always seem to crop up and show us how classical physics can be full of shit under the right circumstances.
You really can read the other guy's mind. You just don't know it:)
...but too damn chicken to come out and directly do it. ('cause if they did it'd likely die faster than you can scream "1st amendment";) Naaaah...the slow, mind-numbing, sly-backstabbing, left-hand-can't-see-right-hand way will work good enough anyway.
I gotta give those Aussies some credit for brass balls though.
Even if they don't 'check', I'm sure if you happened to be someone they don't like (i.e. opposite political views) then you'd be a nice lil exception a la many laws here is the US of A in the past...
2) The rage128 is ssssssssllllllllloooooooowwwwwwww by any desktop standard.
3) Marketing? Um no, this is equivilent to a papal mandate. This one is all opinion unless you happen to be one of the weasels, so cut the list to 3:)
4) Any the $64,000 question is...WHY? Guess why? Hint: first letter A, ryhmes with Snapple:) Apple sez 4 its G3 'My toy! Hands off! [Closed specs]' At least the G4 has a good chance of more specs coming from Motorola, as they did more of the design and have more rights to it this time.
Try rendering. Try rc5, seti and des for the hell of it. Try 100 more things. After all that trying, then lets Talk. And the winner is...place your bets.
Sadly 'if at first you suceed, try, try again' doesn't play well in the computer world.
Quake3 was just a suggestion. Its gameplay is pathetic anyway (HL/TF'er here) but the graphics are perfect for stressing new hardware (and now smp)
Here we go, finally. OPS, its almost as much as the MSR for the max! In stock? No.
MATROX MATROX MILLENNIUM G400 32MB SGRAM AGP DUAL HEAD MAX RETAIL MATG400DUMAXR $309.00
YEAH RIGHT. Even matrox started at $279 and went down to $249. In stock? NOPE. I recall these guys now, once before they *claimed* they had it in stock on shopper.com, though in all reality even matrox hadn't shipped them yet to NE1 except those bastard reviewers.
BTW, lets see how full of crap the 9/24 date is when that day comes and passes. You can quote me on that:)
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...metric. I'm sorry, but its fricking true.
;)
:)
ESPECIALLY for anything going on outside our planet. Metric works very well with scientific notation, which is a near must when dealing with astronomical values. Try typing in 80 zeros
I'm a red blooded american, but for my experience with research, it rings true.
Fire the fool[s] who used english. **Very** few advanced fields can justify using english! Architecture is the only widespead advanced trade I can pull of the top of my head. Yards of all things...this almost smells of Spook BS(TM). Maybe Mr. Probe took some images on shit on mars that everyman shouldn't be seeing.
It doesn't take a ROCKET SCIENTIST to figure all that out.
Anonymous Coward, get it?
What a crock of shit!
:)
I'm sooo glad I finished prison, er, high school 3 years ago.
Anyone who says there is any decent, respectable, logical use for this crap, I have this to say: FUCK YOU. May your intestines rot in the cesspool from which you were born.
DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER, for real.
Once all the kiddies have been born n bred with this shit, does anyone think it would be difficult at all to force this on the sheep, er, masses? Not I.
Anonymous Coward, get it?
...as long as it [pgp] hasn't been compromised, or the NSA hasn't used mind control to get some genius mathmetician to develop a new prime number theory, this should nix most of what the 'Feds are trying to get away with.
;)
:)
Just make sure each end has DSL or two-way cable
Anonymous Coward, get it?
The PGP site has a section for PGPfone.
:)
I'm not going to bother using *any* internet phone proggie until I get my adsl line in (sorry, I simply do NOT buy that decent voice will go over POTS analog connections) but good encryption combined with a net phone sounds like a lot of fun.
Anonymous Coward, get it?
...many monitors support up to 200hz at certain resolutions. Doesn't mean they do them all that well ;) I like to play with new monitors and figure out the 'optimum' refresh for each resolution. Thankfully I have a g400 to help me do so.
:)
Anonymous Coward, get it?
In most people, its a real small degree. But that goddamn flickering ends up fucking with the firing of neurons, even on normal people. Hence annoying.
:)
Anonymous Coward, get it?
...all these automatic pages are the only ones that have ever given me any trouble. Full of so much GARBAGE :) might confuse something.
:)
I hand code the very few pages I do, and nary a problem with anyone.
Anonymous Coward, get it?
Dunno what 'other' conector you could be referring to.
;)
:)
I recently aquired a reference aureal quadzilla though, which has spdif on toslink. Now if oly I had a stereo that had this
Anonymous Coward, get it?
...their testing methodolgy was very good. (double blind, random sample etc) Did you even go and read the entire article? :) I did :P
:)
Anonymous Coward, get it?
Aureal's reference quadzilla has it, so do some others. Zero noise.
:)
Anonymous Coward, get it?
First off, this is going to start another Apple jihad of posts.
:)
Second off, its crap. Even M$ has support for it, you CAN get pci cards for it, there ARE drivers etc etc etc.
/bleh ignorant original post
Anonymous Coward, get it?
The coppermine will have a s370 version, with flip-chip packaging. Camino is due out very soon(TM) and will be slot 1 or s370 depending on who makes the board.
:P not to mention the athlon itself.
:) is top concern for those of us who are not dreaming about being a millionare, or already are.
:)
As for the 650 athlon, ok then. Find me a dual motherboard. OOPS, Not yet. How much is that 650 athlon? P3-500s are very damn close to $200 a pop now. Dual BX boards for $150. Single athlon boards for $200...if you can find one
FASTEST? Who cares, I could [in theory] go out and blow a couple mill if I want fastest. PRICE VS PERFORMANCE
I'm not intel monkey. But you cannot EVER start ignoring two little things, $price tag and availability.
Anonymous Coward, get it?
Yep, they haven't gone anywhere. And if you want serious 6X or 8X burn speeds, getting one without R/W can save $100 or more.
;)
:)
Try somewhere like www.hypermicro.com for 6x24 teacs and 3 different 8x20 brands. There is a 8x2x20 plextor and a 6x4x24 yamaha but notice the price
R/W costs more, is read by less drives, and so far it seems the consensus is that it isn't as reliable as plain old R.
Soooo, some of us don't need r/W, and would rather just get our R in half the time or less.
Anonymous Coward, get it?
DVD-rom, if its 2nd gen or later should be reading cd-r just fine. If someone sold you a first gen in the last year or so, they are scum :)
:)
Anonymous Coward, get it?
"Does anyone (else) remember the DEC Firefly - ISTR it was one of the first implementations of Berkeley cache coherency schemes, and came with *five* CPU's. I guess it was PDP-11 or VAX based, probably running RSX-11 or VMS, but conceivably it could have run Ultrix."
:)
And how many 5 cpu systems are there compared to 2^x? Hardly any. Theres a reason they like 2^x cpus, or at least even, often faked to 2^x thru bridges a la 6. Thats what I'm getting at. I never said it couldn't have 5, just thats its odd.
"Principal performance limitations on SMP are (a) memory bandwidth and (b) kernel threading granularity. Cray had the latter well licked in Unicos before they started going to the wall; 32 processor YMP's and x90's work perfectly well, though the main OS intensive bits in supercomputer apps tend to be I/O."
In the same vein, NEC's SX-5 supercomputers (32 cpus, 128Gb/sec* memory bandwidth) can be clustered, and I think the cluster has some SSI (Single System Image) behaviour.
"The SGI/Cray Origin 2K (ccNUMA) is supposed to be single system image, and they ship that in a 128 CPU config, using a 2x2 crossbar to join four 32-cpu racks. Anyone played with one?"
Bet its parallel at heart.
"I know also that a one-off 128 or 256 proc version of the old Convex S-Class (now HP V-Class / Qdome) was made, I think for CalTech. This would be running SPP-UX I presume, don't know if it's SSI though."
My guess is parallel, again.
"If you think 4Gb RAM and 4 CPUs is a big box, you've spent too long listening to the marketing boys in Redmond."
Did I say anything like this? NO. Thank you for putting words in my mouth. However, any one of those space heaters is well beyond any individual needs of any kind. Someone gets to play with one during a degree lineup or in some company basement, and they think they're god.
Redmond? Since when did I say anything about MS? You assumed, though it only makes you the ass, contrary to the usual 'u' and 'me'
"* yes, Gigabytes per second, it's not a misprint"
Oh gee, like I failed basic college chemistry or something. 'Duh, whats G stand for?' Please.
You have some sort of superiority complex.
BTW,
"Multiple cpus like to be base2 numbers (2^x) or at least even -- don't they?"
Look up like. Look up have. Have a nice day.
Anonymous Coward, get it?
"A BX board (say, BE6 or BP6, $100-$125) plus a nice celeron or two (~$100 or less) is dirt cheap. And fast. If you happen to have, say a Pentium on a TX with first gen sdram (very common in ~97) this is a wonderful upgrade."
:)
:)
This paragraph got nixed somehow. I think because I had a less than symbol in there OOPS
Anonymous Coward, get it?
Ok, news flash.
;) I know they're not cheap at all, I still get mac catalogs from olden days. (once you're on a catalog list, you stay on for 10-15 years ;)
:) and ATX has a good 3-5 years in it at least. A good AT tower lasted a looooonnnnggggg time from day one.
:)
Sure, you can't bump a pentium to a p6 core chip (pii piii celeron)
HOWEVER, lets take a closer look at this.
SURE, you can even take all the way back to an old 6100 up to a g3. 'Bump' a 601 to a 750. BUT WHY? You are taking a brand new chip, and running it on ooooollllllddddddd motherboard, ram, video and HD! Not super cheap either.
Even taking a PCI mac and sticking a g3 or g4 into it is going to have bottlenecks. The cpu tends to be the LAST bottleneck. The HD is the first, then the motherboard/ram.
Someone get me a price on all those g3 upgrades
A BX board (say, BE6 or BP6, $100-$125) plus a nice celeron or two (wonderful upgrade.
ATX case? If yes, then good. (also common in mid-late 97) If not, $50-150 depending how nice you want it (I recommend high end
Even taking the g3 to a g4 is going to have bottlenecks! Apple was a dick for putting in the temporary disable, but I'd rather have the new motherboard, that actually supports all the features of the g4. Too bad though, have to chuck out $1600+ for a new system. Instead of $200-500 for a comparable speed upgrade. Apple lets you swaps cpus, but not mobos. Without the new mobo, you can't get nice new ram, new/betetr slots etc etc.
Before you come back and yak about how great it is that apple n 3rd party cpu boosters are available, take a closer look at reality.
Anonymous Coward, get it?
This is old news...when people started getting their hands on g4s somehow (motorola ones, no altivec I think?) they worked fine, until people did the mac equiv of bios flashing, and found OPS no boot. Thanks to apple, new revisions said "Hey! you're breaking one of the ten commandments, 'thou shalt not modifieth thine hardware beyond apple approved *cough*overpriced*cough stuff' no soup for you!" ;)
:)
This is months old. I know this, and I'm not even a mac guy!
Ok, now I'll read the posts.
Anonymous Coward, get it?
FIVE cpus? Not 4, 8 or even 6? Huh.
:) "Hi, meet my new space heater. Doubles as a computer, only cost $100,000"
:)
Multiple cpus like to be base2 numbers (2^x) or at least even (I recall 6 ppros via way of two 'four cpu' hubs that used the 'fourth' cpu spot to fake out and talk to the other hub, and the same for the other hub, hence 6 total) don't they?
As for 128 LOL there's hardly any OS that would have a clue. Only parallel setups achieve that. Can you say idle time?
Anonymous Coward, get it?
Hereforto, from now on, only open source crap for me.
:)
I don't care if I have to stop playing halflife, byebye MS stuff.
Byebye anything from pretty much any company. Trust no one for real.
If I can't get a supergeek to tell me the code is 1) legit 2) fairly secure and 3) hasn't been fucked with by spooks then 4) It goeth the way of ye dinosaurs on my HD. Since, gee, pretty much only some *nix variants have a shits chance in hell of passing those 3 (by way of being able to see the code in the first place) thats all I'll use.
Anonymous Coward, get it?
Why coincidences happen more often than they should, and its not all 'in our heads' like the psychobabblists like to tell us.
:)
:)
My bet is that it has something to do with quantum mechanics. Those things always seem to crop up and show us how classical physics can be full of shit under the right circumstances.
You really can read the other guy's mind. You just don't know it
Anonymous Coward, get it?
...but too damn chicken to come out and directly do it. ('cause if they did it'd likely die faster than you can scream "1st amendment" ;) Naaaah...the slow, mind-numbing, sly-backstabbing, left-hand-can't-see-right-hand way will work good enough anyway.
:)
I gotta give those Aussies some credit for brass balls though.
Even if they don't 'check', I'm sure if you happened to be someone they don't like (i.e. opposite political views) then you'd be a nice lil exception a la many laws here is the US of A in the past...
Anonymous Coward, get it?
2) The rage128 is ssssssssllllllllloooooooowwwwwwww by any desktop standard.
:)
:) Apple sez 4 its G3 'My toy! Hands off! [Closed specs]' At least the G4 has a good chance of more specs coming from Motorola, as they did more of the design and have more rights to it this time.
:)
3) Marketing? Um no, this is equivilent to a papal mandate. This one is all opinion unless you happen to be one of the weasels, so cut the list to 3
4) Any the $64,000 question is...WHY? Guess why? Hint: first letter A, ryhmes with Snapple
Anonymous Coward, get it?
Try rendering. Try rc5, seti and des for the hell of it. Try 100 more things. After all that trying, then lets Talk. And the winner is...place your bets.
:)
Sadly 'if at first you suceed, try, try again' doesn't play well in the computer world.
Quake3 was just a suggestion. Its gameplay is pathetic anyway (HL/TF'er here) but the graphics are perfect for stressing new hardware (and now smp)
Anonymous Coward, get it?
I checked them in the insane hope the prices were bogus and they'd have more stock.
/next
/next
:)
:)
MATROX MATROX MILLENNIUM G400 16MB
SGRAM AGP SINGLE HEAD
MATMILG40016A $119.00
Bleh, dualhead needed.
MATROX MATROX MILLENNIUM G400 32MB
SGRAM AGP SINGLE HEAD
MATMILG40032A $178.00
Bleh, again.
MATROX MATROX MILLENNIUM G400 32MB
SGRAM AGP DUAL HEAD OEM
MATG400DU32A $189.00
OEM. Card + Cardboard box and datzit. God damn pricey for that. In stock? Yep.
MATROX MATROX MILLENNIUM G400 32MB
SGRAM AGP DUAL HEAD RETAIL
MATG400DU32AR $229.00
Here we go, finally. OPS, its almost as much as the MSR for the max! In stock? No.
MATROX MATROX MILLENNIUM G400 32MB
SGRAM AGP DUAL HEAD MAX RETAIL
MATG400DUMAXR $309.00
YEAH RIGHT. Even matrox started at $279 and went down to $249. In stock? NOPE. I recall these guys now, once before they *claimed* they had it in stock on shopper.com, though in all reality even matrox hadn't shipped them yet to NE1 except those bastard reviewers.
BTW, lets see how full of crap the 9/24 date is when that day comes and passes. You can quote me on that
Anonymous Coward, get it?