they're doing more to undermine web standards with things like Silverlight than they have ever done to support them?
Oh, you mean giving competition the alternative to Silverlight, the extremely web-standards savvy and committed Adobe/Macromedia Shockwave/Flash? That doesn't even have a really XHTML standardized way of being embedded yet? link to w3's entry on embedding flash
I guess I should stop using Apache. It's funded by MS:) On the other hand, I refuse to take the "karma" approach to companies, and will praise MS on their good actions and complain about their bad actions. I will not complain about their good actions because I am still sore from their bad ones...
Is it just me or is "wind farm" a misnomer? I always thought of "farm" as production. "Wind farm" makes it sound like they're producing wind. Which is obviously hogwash. Producing electricity, sure, but they didn't call it an "electricity farm."
Seriously, why do people think the system is deficient just because problems are not solved instantly?
If people (which they seem to do quite often) think that what they think is the ultimate right/correct way to think, then disagreements are just stupid, and thus the problems should be easily solved (e.g.,"sudden outbreak of common sense" as though it's obvious to everyone what the correct answer to the problem is).
It's a good thing the courts don't decide things based on a slashdot-esque tagging system, hehe.:) Not to say courts are perfect, but.
Ok, so if their minimum requirements rule out the Dell mini 9, then how are they lying about it?
Unless you want them to begin giving a yes or no (and keep up to date) to every specific netbook that comes out?
If it runs on some netbooks and not all netbooks, you can still say it runs on netbooks that fit the minimum requirements.
for which for every past release of Windows you have to basically double whatever MS says the minimum requirements are.
Useful is a relative term. Web browsing is useful. Firefox isn't the only option, so just because Firefox needs X amount of RAM doesn't mean Windows is useless in that area.
"Basically double" is somewhat tricky. My parents have a laptop with 192MB of RAM that actually ram XP okay. I put PuppyLinux on it which runs much better, but XP did run on it.
Granted, I'm playing devil's advocate here in taking your terms probably not the way you entirely meant them; I am guessing that you were trying to say that minimum requirements + Windows = solitaire is slow. I could provide anecdotal evidence to the contrary; I could argue that I just got 4GB ram for $9, so why is that an issue, etc.
But basically, I see no need for Windows Vista or Windows 7 to be able to run just as well on 512MB RAM as 8GB RAM. The fact that it does run on a ton of different hardware and a ton of different specs is pretty good (contrast to Mac, which controls the hardware it runs on still, I think?).
The netbook my sister just got is the cheaper MSI Wind, and it has 1GB RAM, a 1.something GHZ (whatever the atom proc is, I forget, something like 1.4?), 120GB hdd, not sure about video. It runs XP quite well. I don't know if it would run Windows 7 well, but it appears to fit into the minimum requirements. How well and how usable it is remains to be seen, but the reviews and whatnot that I've read seem to imply that Windows 7 is leaner than Vista.
So you blame XP for using 512MB when Firefox, JUST a web browser, uses 100-300MB?
So who is to blame, Firefox or Microsoft? We could all just use Lynx.;)
This is true with any OS. Try running firefox on a "modern" linux distro (i'm not talking about minimal distros, I know they exist - I use Puppy Linux and am trying out TinyME which is based on PCLinuxOS...)
But, see, I don't understand why this is such an issue? Were they supposed to rewrite everything (read: break ALL past Windows programs not written specifically for Windows 7, you know how happy everyone would be about that) from the ground up?
I hate to compare it to Linux because they are somewhat on different playing fields, but does Linux get rewritten? Is the 2.6 kernel vastly different from the 2.4 kernel? No, it's not. Is it better? I don't honestly know. do I like SuSE 11 better than SuSE 10 better than SuSE 9? Yes, and they're all based on different kernels.
So what's the big deal? No, Windows 7 is NOT SP3. Service Packs aren't usually referred to as "incremental improvement." It changed some pretty significant stuff. Maybe "Vista 2" or something, but not just a service pack which you can hand out in about 100MB or so. You may as well call SuSE 10 a service pack to SuSE 9.
Second major point - Apple took the "break past programs" road with its 64 bit version of its OS, and interestingly enough, there's one particular program I have in mind that does not have a 64 bit version available simply because they support both Mac and Windows, and if they wrote a 64 bit program, they'd have to rewrite the entire thing for Mac. Implication - they wouldn't have to do that for Windows.
Anyways. I tried Windows 7 and I liked it. But since "liking Windows" tends to be equated with ignorance, anyone who likes Windows and is thus willing to stand up for it when it's worth standing up for is generally assumed to be flamebait:)
(note - I do agree with you that marketing goes along the lines of "it's so new!" but then, what marketing doesn't do that?)
It might be better to go to a keep-track-of-how-people-vote (like ontheissues.org, if I remember correctly) to see what Biden/Obama have done in the past. Going to barackobama.com to learn about Obama is sorta like going to Microsoft.com, is it not? If I were in a Microsoft vs. Apple debate, posting a link to a Microsoft.com article is usually considered not very good, since it's going to be biased (obviously). Same with apple.com article. Posting a link to barackobama.com as proof of what Obama is going to do isn't a whole lot different. Politicians say what will get them elected, whether or not they do what they say they will is different.
And, of course, if we were to give him the benefit of the doubt, whether or not Congress will do it is another story, too. I was surprised (on Obama's side) and not surprised (Congress side) to see the "Democrats in the Senate don't like Obama's proposed tax cuts" in the news the other day, for example
Impress -> PPT yielded some strange results as well. Animations or slide transitions seemed to "randomly" break (not all of them, but some of them). It wasn't a very smooth switch, and I ended up having to tweak it in Powerpoint before using it.
No for powerpoint. From what I've used, OO.org's Impress is simply not as good, has rendering issues, flickers, is a resource hog, is not smooth, etc. Powerpoint is way better.
Can you do office docs and spreadsheets? Yeah. If not using the aforementioned VB macros and whatnot, it's easy to use openoffice.org for stuff like "word" documents and spreadsheets.
It also sounds like "This is going to happen whether you like it or not."
And if it doesn't, it's your (the people that didn't support it) fault.
There's something unnerving, to me, about a group of people SO solidified in their belief that this is not just the best thing to do, but the RIGHT thing to do, and that Obama is essentially perfect/the best thing since sliced bread...
I dunno. Many people argue that JFK didn't help a whole lot, so the comparisons of Obama to JFK don't help his image in my eyes any. I'm not sure where he stands on a lot of issues because, as far as I'm concerned, he has gone from liberal to moderate in the past few months (which, being a conservative, is a good thing to me). Lastly, he does have his political background in Chicago, and wasn't exactly known as being anything particularly different there, as far as I am aware. So we'll see how much (or how little) a politician he shows himself to be.
I can hope, but it seems most people think I should be FORCED to hope in someone I disagree with, because... well, frankly, because he's black. And no, that's not ME being racist - I'm responding to all the people that talk about him being black and how it's such a great thing. I don't CARE if he's black. Somehow, not caring he's black gets misconstrued as racism, as though I should care and give him something special because of the color of his skin.
I don't care about his skin, I care about what he believes in, what he values, and what he thinks is best for the country. That is what I will agree or disagree with, and I won't agree with it or look over it simply because it's a great victory in the vision of MLK Jr.
One might point out that Obama (for a very short peroid of time) and Biden (for a very long period of time) were both part of this Congress that you speak so lowly of. And, in fact, Biden seems to be a "typical" democrat in Congress.
So, how much of this "change" is there if the VP pick for Obama (let alone most of his cabinet!) is the usual democrat politician?
Interesting though, that the most popular Linux distro right now according to distrowatch is headed by a billionaire.
Money talks, even in open-source/free world. I doubt Ubuntu would be where it is today if Shuttleworth had to work at [insert company here] to earn a living.
I'm not saying it's BAD. I'm saying that success is generally dependent on funding, whether you're talking open source software or commercial software.
IMO, SuSE is one of the best (albeit it slightly resource hungry) distro's for not wanting to use the command line. It has a ton of GUIs and they are pretty easy to use. (I use it personally and my parents use it, without knowing what they're doing:) )
But is it necessary and is it even better? Are we now going to promote the idea that you should have to use two different programs to browser your local drive and the web?
For me, it's actually sometimes rather nice to be able to use explorer to quickly go to a page instead of opening firefox (which I regularly use). Furthermore, the FTP functionality of explorer/IE can be nice on occasion.
IMO, Microsoft has done a good job of NOT making Internet Explorer necessary for Windows. Yes, it's integrated, but you don't have to use it, either. Kinda like, I guess, using KDE and Konqueror for filebrowsing but Firefox for web browsing. Konqueror is integrated for both, but you can simply not use it if you don't want to (and I don't use Konqueror for web browsing, actually).
KDE and most Linux distributions include various browsers, none of them force the installation of any of them nor prevent their uninstallation
Um... you mean, OS X doesn't install Safari automatically? It doesn't come shipped with Safari? And Quicktime/iTunes, while we're at it? KDE doesn't include Konqueror automatically?
Yes, I know you can choose not to install the Konqueror package. Of course, who knows what programs will then work or not work, package dependencies and all that. The people that don't know that IE != "the Internet" are not going to figure out that you can do the Advanced Package settings in Linux and choose something othe rthan "Konqueror." They aren't going to know what "Konqueror" is to begin with.
Either way, Microsoft wins more market share and long term cash flow.
Because we all know that Microsoft is gaining the market share by leaps and bounds. [/sarcasm]
It HOLDS a good percentage, but Firefox is gaining in the browser share (it has about 20%). Microsoft also holds a good part of the OS share, but even that is going down.
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they're doing more to undermine web standards with things like Silverlight than they have ever done to support them?
Oh, you mean giving competition the alternative to Silverlight, the extremely web-standards savvy and committed Adobe/Macromedia Shockwave/Flash? That doesn't even have a really XHTML standardized way of being embedded yet? link to w3's entry on embedding flash
I guess I should stop using Apache. It's funded by MS :) On the other hand, I refuse to take the "karma" approach to companies, and will praise MS on their good actions and complain about their bad actions. I will not complain about their good actions because I am still sore from their bad ones...
Is it just me or is "wind farm" a misnomer? I always thought of "farm" as production. "Wind farm" makes it sound like they're producing wind. Which is obviously hogwash. Producing electricity, sure, but they didn't call it an "electricity farm."
Don't ever buy anything, and never eat out?
Well, if subscribers can apparently see articles in the future, maybe people in *cough* web space *cough* can see even further!
And then there's always the google "search tomorrow" function.
"first post from space"
Seriously, why do people think the system is deficient just because problems are not solved instantly?
If people (which they seem to do quite often) think that what they think is the ultimate right/correct way to think, then disagreements are just stupid, and thus the problems should be easily solved (e.g.,"sudden outbreak of common sense" as though it's obvious to everyone what the correct answer to the problem is).
It's a good thing the courts don't decide things based on a slashdot-esque tagging system, hehe. :) Not to say courts are perfect, but.
Ok, so if their minimum requirements rule out the Dell mini 9, then how are they lying about it?
Unless you want them to begin giving a yes or no (and keep up to date) to every specific netbook that comes out?
If it runs on some netbooks and not all netbooks, you can still say it runs on netbooks that fit the minimum requirements. for which for every past release of Windows you have to basically double whatever MS says the minimum requirements are.
Useful is a relative term. Web browsing is useful. Firefox isn't the only option, so just because Firefox needs X amount of RAM doesn't mean Windows is useless in that area.
"Basically double" is somewhat tricky. My parents have a laptop with 192MB of RAM that actually ram XP okay. I put PuppyLinux on it which runs much better, but XP did run on it.
Granted, I'm playing devil's advocate here in taking your terms probably not the way you entirely meant them; I am guessing that you were trying to say that minimum requirements + Windows = solitaire is slow. I could provide anecdotal evidence to the contrary; I could argue that I just got 4GB ram for $9, so why is that an issue, etc.
But basically, I see no need for Windows Vista or Windows 7 to be able to run just as well on 512MB RAM as 8GB RAM. The fact that it does run on a ton of different hardware and a ton of different specs is pretty good (contrast to Mac, which controls the hardware it runs on still, I think?).
The netbook my sister just got is the cheaper MSI Wind, and it has 1GB RAM, a 1.something GHZ (whatever the atom proc is, I forget, something like 1.4?), 120GB hdd, not sure about video. It runs XP quite well. I don't know if it would run Windows 7 well, but it appears to fit into the minimum requirements. How well and how usable it is remains to be seen, but the reviews and whatnot that I've read seem to imply that Windows 7 is leaner than Vista.
It won't, Microsoft just figures if they lie often enough there will be enough suckers who believe it.
Or actually try it and see if it works?
So you blame XP for using 512MB when Firefox, JUST a web browser, uses 100-300MB?
So who is to blame, Firefox or Microsoft? We could all just use Lynx. ;)
This is true with any OS. Try running firefox on a "modern" linux distro (i'm not talking about minimal distros, I know they exist - I use Puppy Linux and am trying out TinyME which is based on PCLinuxOS...)
Hey, that's not fair, you're citing something. It's a lot easier to bash Microsoft without this annoying actual information nonsense.
:)
But, see, I don't understand why this is such an issue? Were they supposed to rewrite everything (read: break ALL past Windows programs not written specifically for Windows 7, you know how happy everyone would be about that) from the ground up?
I hate to compare it to Linux because they are somewhat on different playing fields, but does Linux get rewritten? Is the 2.6 kernel vastly different from the 2.4 kernel? No, it's not. Is it better? I don't honestly know. do I like SuSE 11 better than SuSE 10 better than SuSE 9? Yes, and they're all based on different kernels.
So what's the big deal? No, Windows 7 is NOT SP3. Service Packs aren't usually referred to as "incremental improvement." It changed some pretty significant stuff. Maybe "Vista 2" or something, but not just a service pack which you can hand out in about 100MB or so. You may as well call SuSE 10 a service pack to SuSE 9.
Second major point - Apple took the "break past programs" road with its 64 bit version of its OS, and interestingly enough, there's one particular program I have in mind that does not have a 64 bit version available simply because they support both Mac and Windows, and if they wrote a 64 bit program, they'd have to rewrite the entire thing for Mac. Implication - they wouldn't have to do that for Windows.
Anyways. I tried Windows 7 and I liked it. But since "liking Windows" tends to be equated with ignorance, anyone who likes Windows and is thus willing to stand up for it when it's worth standing up for is generally assumed to be flamebait :)
(note - I do agree with you that marketing goes along the lines of "it's so new!" but then, what marketing doesn't do that?)
That's some pretty severe invasion of privacy
Since when are public schools "private"?
It depends entirely on the purpose and content of the presentation, does it not?
It might be better to go to a keep-track-of-how-people-vote (like ontheissues.org, if I remember correctly) to see what Biden/Obama have done in the past. Going to barackobama.com to learn about Obama is sorta like going to Microsoft.com, is it not? If I were in a Microsoft vs. Apple debate, posting a link to a Microsoft.com article is usually considered not very good, since it's going to be biased (obviously). Same with apple.com article. Posting a link to barackobama.com as proof of what Obama is going to do isn't a whole lot different. Politicians say what will get them elected, whether or not they do what they say they will is different.
And, of course, if we were to give him the benefit of the doubt, whether or not Congress will do it is another story, too. I was surprised (on Obama's side) and not surprised (Congress side) to see the "Democrats in the Senate don't like Obama's proposed tax cuts" in the news the other day, for example
Impress -> PPT yielded some strange results as well. Animations or slide transitions seemed to "randomly" break (not all of them, but some of them). It wasn't a very smooth switch, and I ended up having to tweak it in Powerpoint before using it.
Yes, for most things.
No for powerpoint. From what I've used, OO.org's Impress is simply not as good, has rendering issues, flickers, is a resource hog, is not smooth, etc. Powerpoint is way better.
Can you do office docs and spreadsheets? Yeah. If not using the aforementioned VB macros and whatnot, it's easy to use openoffice.org for stuff like "word" documents and spreadsheets.
But presentations ... blech.
It also sounds like "This is going to happen whether you like it or not."
And if it doesn't, it's your (the people that didn't support it) fault.
There's something unnerving, to me, about a group of people SO solidified in their belief that this is not just the best thing to do, but the RIGHT thing to do, and that Obama is essentially perfect/the best thing since sliced bread...
I dunno. Many people argue that JFK didn't help a whole lot, so the comparisons of Obama to JFK don't help his image in my eyes any. I'm not sure where he stands on a lot of issues because, as far as I'm concerned, he has gone from liberal to moderate in the past few months (which, being a conservative, is a good thing to me). Lastly, he does have his political background in Chicago, and wasn't exactly known as being anything particularly different there, as far as I am aware. So we'll see how much (or how little) a politician he shows himself to be.
I can hope, but it seems most people think I should be FORCED to hope in someone I disagree with, because ... well, frankly, because he's black. And no, that's not ME being racist - I'm responding to all the people that talk about him being black and how it's such a great thing. I don't CARE if he's black. Somehow, not caring he's black gets misconstrued as racism, as though I should care and give him something special because of the color of his skin.
I don't care about his skin, I care about what he believes in, what he values, and what he thinks is best for the country. That is what I will agree or disagree with, and I won't agree with it or look over it simply because it's a great victory in the vision of MLK Jr.
One might point out that Obama (for a very short peroid of time) and Biden (for a very long period of time) were both part of this Congress that you speak so lowly of. And, in fact, Biden seems to be a "typical" democrat in Congress.
So, how much of this "change" is there if the VP pick for Obama (let alone most of his cabinet!) is the usual democrat politician?
Interesting though, that the most popular Linux distro right now according to distrowatch is headed by a billionaire.
Money talks, even in open-source/free world. I doubt Ubuntu would be where it is today if Shuttleworth had to work at [insert company here] to earn a living.
I'm not saying it's BAD. I'm saying that success is generally dependent on funding, whether you're talking open source software or commercial software.
Seriously between Wine 1.x and QT, there is no reason to write applications to Windows.
Unless you want most of the world to be able to use it easily :)
IMO, SuSE is one of the best (albeit it slightly resource hungry) distro's for not wanting to use the command line. It has a ton of GUIs and they are pretty easy to use. (I use it personally and my parents use it, without knowing what they're doing :) )
investigation turned up 'no evidence of inappropriate activity on school grounds
That seems hard to believe, but ok.
But is it necessary and is it even better? Are we now going to promote the idea that you should have to use two different programs to browser your local drive and the web?
For me, it's actually sometimes rather nice to be able to use explorer to quickly go to a page instead of opening firefox (which I regularly use). Furthermore, the FTP functionality of explorer/IE can be nice on occasion.
IMO, Microsoft has done a good job of NOT making Internet Explorer necessary for Windows. Yes, it's integrated, but you don't have to use it, either. Kinda like, I guess, using KDE and Konqueror for filebrowsing but Firefox for web browsing. Konqueror is integrated for both, but you can simply not use it if you don't want to (and I don't use Konqueror for web browsing, actually).
KDE and most Linux distributions include various browsers, none of them force the installation of any of them nor prevent their uninstallation
Um... you mean, OS X doesn't install Safari automatically? It doesn't come shipped with Safari? And Quicktime/iTunes, while we're at it? KDE doesn't include Konqueror automatically?
Yes, I know you can choose not to install the Konqueror package. Of course, who knows what programs will then work or not work, package dependencies and all that. The people that don't know that IE != "the Internet" are not going to figure out that you can do the Advanced Package settings in Linux and choose something othe rthan "Konqueror." They aren't going to know what "Konqueror" is to begin with.
Either way, Microsoft wins more market share and long term cash flow.
Because we all know that Microsoft is gaining the market share by leaps and bounds. [/sarcasm]
It HOLDS a good percentage, but Firefox is gaining in the browser share (it has about 20%). Microsoft also holds a good part of the OS share, but even that is going down.