I've been in both situations--both where I've overpaid and where I've underpaid (or gotten more change back than I was supposed to). In all situations arguing with the cashier never solves anything because nothing can be proven.
Corporations sometimes make "mistakes" and sometimes they "overpay" an exiting employee as a gesture of generosity. Paying me, waiting six weeks, and then asking for the money back (and threatening to put a black mark on my credit record) is criminal. Not only have they falsified information to the IRS but they're exercising extortion. I signed no contract which requires me to audit them.
"Illgotten"? That's what generosity is called these days, huh?
Cease and desisted? What the heck? Did you mail them copies of your lab notebook saying,"haha! I'm copying your research!" Are you trying to scare me into thinking that they had spies in your lab looking over your shoulder saying,"You'd better not order that next bottle of Palladium(dppf) or we'll sue you!"
Come on. I ask real questions and you come out and attack me?
What you say is technically true, but that's not the way it works in real life.
In real life youc an do anything you want--because there's no way to actually prove you were infringing on anything. A pharma company will burn your lab notebook long before they'll let someone subpoena it.
The problem always occurs in the product development stage when the company you're working for attempts to file their own patent.
This motion is just a "feel-good" motion which reaffirms the way things have always been done. It's good press for the ignorant but it changes nothing for people who actually work in the industry.
You can make Chemical X using the patented process in the lab. There's no problem there. The problem comes if/when you try to patent the process yourself or use it in a published process (eg. for FDA approval) to manufacture and profit.
It probably won't change much except to allow multiple people to publish/patent the same route to the same molecular entity as long as there's no legally demonstratable "for profit" motive.
IOW... it doesn't really change anything. But it makes for feel-good press releases.
You should be put away for life, maybe executed. (I hope you get the joke)
Realistically speaking... being put to death immediately is far better than what society will do to you, in terms of vigilante stalking and poisoning your on-the-job relationships, should you be caught "talking dirty" with anyone under age 18.
Society is a fucked up beast. The alternative is what? Live in the woods? Is that really an acceptable option in a world where a stable house and home is natural.
No. The bottom line is simply,"Don't get caught." Premeditate everything you do. But is that right either? That we should have to live in a conctant state of paranoia?
Even 1000 years ago there is a reasonable expectancy that the wolves won't be stalking your campsite as long as the fire is burning. Society has done nothing but regress PAST the point of naturality.
The alternative being what? To make the laws based on age-difference? No. That can't work. Because every day we have 40-year olds hooking up with 20-year olds. So the alternative is what? Pubescency? No. That can't work. Because I can't honestly support a 30-year old deliberately seducing a 15-year old. The alternative is what? Intent? Well, if we go with intent then 90% of our legal system is screwed. I've long said (and I still do) that I'll never own a firearm becaue there are too many people who I could rightfully shoot dead for the way they've treated me.
It's a fucked up world. That's the only real bottom line. Either you make it through life or you don't. Anything in-between is just technicality.
When I was 18, a freshman in college, I had a girlfriend who was 17, a freshman at a neighboring college. We were in Indiana.
We were sitting in a park, in my car, and just smoking cigarettes and laughing over some Arlo Guthrie tape playing on my car stereo. Police stopped by, searched my car, and held us both for about 30 minutes. One of the officers counseled me that I could be put in prison because I was in a car with a 17-year old who had her shoes off. In Indiana, if the woman has her shoes off, that's legally only one step away from full-blown sex.
Fucked up... but I still have that incident following me.
Legally, in most states, it's probably completely illegal. Morally, however, I have to wonder "what the heck were the parents doing? Off partying with the neighbors?"
This only demonstrates the state of our society. Governmnet is a horrible parent yet government will still abuse/imprison the very children which it failed to properly parent.
It really comes down to "you reap what you sow". It's a sad situation for the people who get the raw part of the deal but that's the way the law is. Justice may be blind... but the law has a habit of simply burying its head in the sand.
You're correct on both counts. Judges do not like jurors who are willing to exercise their legal rights as a juror.
If you ever want to get out of jury duty just mention "jury nullification". While it's a perfectly legal and, as you mentioned, important part of our system there really isn't a judge in the world who will allow it to happen.
Very similar to the America before 1776. King George didn't like the way the colonists' courts were conducting themselves so he simply hand-picked all of the judges by placing them, legally, on his personal payroll. Prior to that they had been on the payroll of the colonies.
I'm reminded of an early scene from The Shawshank Redemption, where the "fat guy" wails in his his cell "I'm not supposed to be here!" and subsequently gets beaten to death by the guard Hadley.
I don't mark foes because I think it's pretty childish to spread hate. But I do mark friends for people who have expressed similar points of view. Sometimes I go back and check my "friends" list to make sure that people have continued to post/participate.
I checked my friends list a few days ago. I had about 4 or 5 drop off (out of 20-30). By comparison, about 1/3 of my freaks haven't posted since 2005.
Yes. It's always my fault. No matter what it is. Even if it isn't my fault, it is my fault.
Many companies will "overpay" employees as a favor. It's happened to me before. "Here's a few extra hundred dollars to help you so that you don't get screwed until you find another job."
Cut your sanctimonious crap. I signed no contract which required me to audit them.
<i>hey try to keep the family together and put a bandaid on things so no one hears a complaint about the abuse anymore. yay
You're not kidding. My father allowed me to be completely disfigured (3rd degree burns over the upper 50% of my body, full chest, both arms, full neck, and half my face) at 2 years old and then still gave custody of me back to him because he could demonstrate a "stable household" when he remarried.
But you're ignoring facts for media hype. FACT: It takes two to tango. FACT: Many of the men convicted for having sex with a minor were only 50% of the courting/dating behavior. I'm not talking about rape. I'm talking about sex. For many " underage sexual offenders", the supposed victim was just as willing as any high-school jezebel looking to laugh and giggle and get her hormones wet.
WTF are you supporting? Look. I'm all in favor of abstinence until marriage... but until society makes this a law then you must accept that "underage" girls are going to be tempting, luring, and entrapping "overage" guys. Yet your rhetoric clearly assumes that every single one of these cases involves a 40 year old man and a 1 year old baby.
Good luck with the future and never lose that honesty - it will at least earn you respect.
Are you fucking joking? Honesty, after age 18, gets nothing but hell!
Have you ever tried confessing to the officer, who is stopping you for a speeding violation, that yes, you have a small bag of marijuana in the glove box when he asks you if there's anything in the car which he should know about? possession.
Have you ever tried asking the officer, who is stopping you just because they're walking the beat, that yes, you have been drinking at the pub? public intox.
Either you're a completely ignorant rich priveleged pretty-person or you're a complete fucking moron. Law enforcement is a money-making endeavor. Honesty has jack shit to do with it.
Note: I've tried "honesty" in both of the aforementioned situations. I'm now a fucking social outcast, even with a $100k education.
On the other hand, in the US, it's just fine to circumcise males
To do one better there's the practice of cutting open the tip of the male penis, ostensibly to relieve what is known as "meatal stenosis" resulting from (again, purportedly) from circumcision.
In reality it's an insurance scam for doctors who don't want to identify abusive parents when they bring their young sons in over childhood bet-wetting (which is most often psychologically induced by abusive parenting).
Nothing better than going through life with the head of your dick cut open like a filet mignon. But no one seems to mind. Males are expected to "just take it".
Everyone keeps harping on these "consequences". Just what would those be if both parties just keep their mouths shut about the fact that they were doing the ba-hon-go behind closed doors?
That's like saying there are consequences the first time you drink a beer... placing some sort of voodoo magic over it. I don't agree with deliberately seducing an unwilling 6-year old... but if a 15-year old purports to be 18 so that she can drop you in the sack, whose fault is it?
And why is this always gender one-way except for the stray major media case?
It seems to me that society has a dirty little secret which makes for good *awe* *shock* *horror* *gasp* media headlines.
You know... at one time... I believed the "civilized society" argument.
When my former employer mailed to me a BACK-BILL for $1256 after they had fired me, though, even my last shreds of perception of a "civilized society" were blown away. I'm typically an eternal optimist... but when a former employer can pay you (via direct deposit), fire you, wait 6 weeks, and then demand that money back in a legal letter (with threats of debt collection)...
Well... there is no such thing as "civilized society". Society is just as animalistic, might-makes-right, and vindictive as it has ever been.
If you're going to resort to statistical arguments ("vast majority"), then the vast majority of parents wouldn't approve of their children killing another person either. Yet society teaches them to love and worship a child which enter military service. The vast majority of parents wouldn't want their children to enter into spamming or debt collection, yet many of those people end up extraordinarily wealthy.
I'm not defending the offender. A truly despicable person. I'm just saying that you shouldn't finalize your argument with statistical majorities. 99% of us are, in some way or another, not in the statistical majority.
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I've been in both situations--both where I've overpaid and where I've underpaid (or gotten more change back than I was supposed to). In all situations arguing with the cashier never solves anything because nothing can be proven.
Corporations sometimes make "mistakes" and sometimes they "overpay" an exiting employee as a gesture of generosity. Paying me, waiting six weeks, and then asking for the money back (and threatening to put a black mark on my credit record) is criminal. Not only have they falsified information to the IRS but they're exercising extortion. I signed no contract which requires me to audit them.
"Illgotten"? That's what generosity is called these days, huh?
Cease and desisted? What the heck? Did you mail them copies of your lab notebook saying,"haha! I'm copying your research!" Are you trying to scare me into thinking that they had spies in your lab looking over your shoulder saying,"You'd better not order that next bottle of Palladium(dppf) or we'll sue you!"
Come on. I ask real questions and you come out and attack me?
What you say is technically true, but that's not the way it works in real life.
In real life youc an do anything you want--because there's no way to actually prove you were infringing on anything. A pharma company will burn your lab notebook long before they'll let someone subpoena it.
The problem always occurs in the product development stage when the company you're working for attempts to file their own patent.
This motion is just a "feel-good" motion which reaffirms the way things have always been done. It's good press for the ignorant but it changes nothing for people who actually work in the industry.
Not really. As long as you don't try to patent your research or publish the patented method, nobody would ever know the difference.
We use patents all the time in the lab. Then we try to get around them if/when they make it to the product development stage.
You can make Chemical X using the patented process in the lab. There's no problem there. The problem comes if/when you try to patent the process yourself or use it in a published process (eg. for FDA approval) to manufacture and profit.
It probably won't change much except to allow multiple people to publish/patent the same route to the same molecular entity as long as there's no legally demonstratable "for profit" motive.
IOW... it doesn't really change anything. But it makes for feel-good press releases.
Let's establish one thing right away. I am your superior. Not the other way around.
Hehe. Here on a web-forum, at 4:18 AM... all I wish for is a marijuana cigarette and the chance to sleep.
But I'll get neither... So I'll continue to converse with you. Feel free to look up my IM info.
You should be put away for life, maybe executed. (I hope you get the joke)
Realistically speaking... being put to death immediately is far better than what society will do to you, in terms of vigilante stalking and poisoning your on-the-job relationships, should you be caught "talking dirty" with anyone under age 18.
Society is a fucked up beast. The alternative is what? Live in the woods? Is that really an acceptable option in a world where a stable house and home is natural.
No. The bottom line is simply,"Don't get caught." Premeditate everything you do. But is that right either? That we should have to live in a conctant state of paranoia?
Even 1000 years ago there is a reasonable expectancy that the wolves won't be stalking your campsite as long as the fire is burning. Society has done nothing but regress PAST the point of naturality.
The alternative being what? To make the laws based on age-difference? No. That can't work. Because every day we have 40-year olds hooking up with 20-year olds. So the alternative is what? Pubescency? No. That can't work. Because I can't honestly support a 30-year old deliberately seducing a 15-year old. The alternative is what? Intent? Well, if we go with intent then 90% of our legal system is screwed. I've long said (and I still do) that I'll never own a firearm becaue there are too many people who I could rightfully shoot dead for the way they've treated me.
It's a fucked up world. That's the only real bottom line. Either you make it through life or you don't. Anything in-between is just technicality.
When I was 18, a freshman in college, I had a girlfriend who was 17, a freshman at a neighboring college. We were in Indiana.
We were sitting in a park, in my car, and just smoking cigarettes and laughing over some Arlo Guthrie tape playing on my car stereo. Police stopped by, searched my car, and held us both for about 30 minutes. One of the officers counseled me that I could be put in prison because I was in a car with a 17-year old who had her shoes off. In Indiana, if the woman has her shoes off, that's legally only one step away from full-blown sex.
Fucked up... but I still have that incident following me.
Legally, in most states, it's probably completely illegal. Morally, however, I have to wonder "what the heck were the parents doing? Off partying with the neighbors?"
This only demonstrates the state of our society. Governmnet is a horrible parent yet government will still abuse/imprison the very children which it failed to properly parent.
It really comes down to "you reap what you sow". It's a sad situation for the people who get the raw part of the deal but that's the way the law is. Justice may be blind... but the law has a habit of simply burying its head in the sand.
You're correct on both counts. Judges do not like jurors who are willing to exercise their legal rights as a juror.
If you ever want to get out of jury duty just mention "jury nullification". While it's a perfectly legal and, as you mentioned, important part of our system there really isn't a judge in the world who will allow it to happen.
Very similar to the America before 1776. King George didn't like the way the colonists' courts were conducting themselves so he simply hand-picked all of the judges by placing them, legally, on his personal payroll. Prior to that they had been on the payroll of the colonies.
Considering that the age of puberty, for girls, is typically around 9 years old... you're pretty far off base.
You're clearly baiting the argument using (false) presumptions.
I'm reminded of an early scene from The Shawshank Redemption, where the "fat guy" wails in his his cell "I'm not supposed to be here!" and subsequently gets beaten to death by the guard Hadley.
It's a cold world. But that's reality.
I don't mark foes because I think it's pretty childish to spread hate. But I do mark friends for people who have expressed similar points of view. Sometimes I go back and check my "friends" list to make sure that people have continued to post/participate.
I checked my friends list a few days ago. I had about 4 or 5 drop off (out of 20-30). By comparison, about 1/3 of my freaks haven't posted since 2005.
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Yes. It's always my fault. No matter what it is. Even if it isn't my fault, it is my fault.
Many companies will "overpay" employees as a favor. It's happened to me before. "Here's a few extra hundred dollars to help you so that you don't get screwed until you find another job."
Cut your sanctimonious crap. I signed no contract which required me to audit them.
Fuck the government.
But you're ignoring facts for media hype. FACT: It takes two to tango. FACT: Many of the men convicted for having sex with a minor were only 50% of the courting/dating behavior. I'm not talking about rape. I'm talking about sex. For many " underage sexual offenders", the supposed victim was just as willing as any high-school jezebel looking to laugh and giggle and get her hormones wet.
WTF are you supporting? Look. I'm all in favor of abstinence until marriage... but until society makes this a law then you must accept that "underage" girls are going to be tempting, luring, and entrapping "overage" guys. Yet your rhetoric clearly assumes that every single one of these cases involves a 40 year old man and a 1 year old baby.
Where the fuck do you get off?
Have you ever tried confessing to the officer, who is stopping you for a speeding violation, that yes, you have a small bag of marijuana in the glove box when he asks you if there's anything in the car which he should know about? possession.
Have you ever tried asking the officer, who is stopping you just because they're walking the beat, that yes, you have been drinking at the pub? public intox.
Either you're a completely ignorant rich priveleged pretty-person or you're a complete fucking moron. Law enforcement is a money-making endeavor. Honesty has jack shit to do with it.
Note: I've tried "honesty" in both of the aforementioned situations. I'm now a fucking social outcast, even with a $100k education.
In reality it's an insurance scam for doctors who don't want to identify abusive parents when they bring their young sons in over childhood bet-wetting (which is most often psychologically induced by abusive parenting).
Nothing better than going through life with the head of your dick cut open like a filet mignon. But no one seems to mind. Males are expected to "just take it".
Not to be a jerk, but...
Everyone keeps harping on these "consequences". Just what would those be if both parties just keep their mouths shut about the fact that they were doing the ba-hon-go behind closed doors?
That's like saying there are consequences the first time you drink a beer... placing some sort of voodoo magic over it. I don't agree with deliberately seducing an unwilling 6-year old... but if a 15-year old purports to be 18 so that she can drop you in the sack, whose fault is it?
And why is this always gender one-way except for the stray major media case?
It seems to me that society has a dirty little secret which makes for good *awe* *shock* *horror* *gasp* media headlines.
You know... at one time... I believed the "civilized society" argument.
When my former employer mailed to me a BACK-BILL for $1256 after they had fired me, though, even my last shreds of perception of a "civilized society" were blown away. I'm typically an eternal optimist... but when a former employer can pay you (via direct deposit), fire you, wait 6 weeks, and then demand that money back in a legal letter (with threats of debt collection)...
Well... there is no such thing as "civilized society". Society is just as animalistic, might-makes-right, and vindictive as it has ever been.
If you're going to resort to statistical arguments ("vast majority"), then the vast majority of parents wouldn't approve of their children killing another person either. Yet society teaches them to love and worship a child which enter military service. The vast majority of parents wouldn't want their children to enter into spamming or debt collection, yet many of those people end up extraordinarily wealthy.
I'm not defending the offender. A truly despicable person. I'm just saying that you shouldn't finalize your argument with statistical majorities. 99% of us are, in some way or another, not in the statistical majority.