Previous post: "Reliability, scalability, uptime, high performance wide area clustering, no viruses, very few security problems of any kind (and those occur mostly in code migrated from unixland). A few of the reasons people choose VMS for an operating system."
Your post: "Plus, if you know the Windows NT kernel, you pretty much know the VMS kernel [wink wink]."
My puzzlement: Windows NT == VMS? Really? Are you serious?
Its funny that Windows is moving in on areas that Unix is traditionally king...
This is true over the past several years, but, unless Microsoft really turns around its business model, I don't see them having much of a chance with the resurgence of UNIX/Linux. How can Microsoft compete with systems that are more mature, more open, cost less, and are beginning to provide a comparable user experience (better if talking about Apple)? I think Microsoft must really be sweating about now thinking of ways to preserve what they have, if even possible.
If VMS also worked on Alpha, what were the barriers for VMS that allowed UNIX to gain more share? UNIX was expensive back then, so unless VMS was really expensive, that couldn't have been a barrier. Was it just DEC's infamous marketing dept.? It seems that other comments make VMS out to be a pretty nice OS.
Solaris 10 has a number of features over Linux and Windows, and Sun is now officially cheaper to buy from than Red Hat and Microsoft. Don't be so quick to write them off, especially since they turned profitable.
But, when you consider the statement you realize that he attributes the source of eternal life to Christ, not himself.
But he _assumes_ he is in the right and obviously heaven-bound. I didn't sense any humility in "/going to Heaven".
Every so often, I'll meet someone who is devoutly faithful, and it blows me away. They are literally the greatest people I have ever met (accomodating, automatically a friend, very optimistic), and they are definitely not like the Bible-thumping alienating people that are the Christian sterotype. It's just in the nature of the Bible-thumpers to make sure we notice them, while it isn't quite as much in the nature of real Christians to stand out, hence the sterotypes.
For reasons I don't understand, I've seen the "su -" syntax not get quite all the user's environment. It still seems to inherit some stuff no matter what.
Most hardware is pretty cheap these days, and good developers are very expensive. It takes very little time savings to justify the purchase of new hardware.
Hardware is a fixed cost that bone-headed managers can wash away and claim a savings. Salaries are harder to get rid of. The result: no hardware, development costs twice as much, and it is easier to talk away labor delays than you might think.
Performance should rarely even be a consideration until the product works. ...until the prototype works. The final product has to perform well. Otherwise, people will find trivial excuses to say it sucks and needs to be replaced, even if, on a whole, it is a decent product.
Please, take the effort to initialize a whole new instance of the database for each environment. Sure, it's a bit of work, but just don't go around stomping on each other's feet thinking it's more convenient. Yes, I have witnessed such stupidity before.
Without generational turn-over, would we would never have had newer open-minded people to make the world suck a little bit less. Imagine if immortality were discovered during the Dark Ages, for example.
Well you can't mix and match with Linux or other GPLed SW...what about the BSDs? What about Darwin? If it is open source but not usable, what is it?
Well, ask the BSD people what they would think if you submitted a patch that included code from Linux. They'd probably freak out.
All Sun would be doing is trying to keep GPL code out of the core Solaris system--no different than the BSDs.
BTW, Solaris _does_ include GPL'd software and other OSS software. Take a look under/usr/sfw/,/opt/sfw/,/usr/bin/,/usr/perl5/,/usr/apache/,/usr/apache2/,/usr/gnome/, and/usr/staroffice7/ (OpenOffice.org).
Solaris is going to be full-blown Open Source Software, under an OSI-approved license. Does this mean nothing to the FOSS fanboys out there?
Slashdot went crazy over a token patent licensing scheme by IBM, but Sun aquired the IP to make OpenSolaris free to everyone...and nothing not even a dozen comments.
Are you really that beholden to cheap marketing and fanboyism?
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Thanks for your reply. I'd go get an Alpha, but I already have several SPARCs and a PC and am meeting spousal resistence in getting more...
Previous post: "Reliability, scalability, uptime, high performance wide area clustering, no viruses, very few security problems of any kind (and those occur mostly in code migrated from unixland). A few of the reasons people choose VMS for an operating system."
Your post: "Plus, if you know the Windows NT kernel, you pretty much know the VMS kernel [wink wink]."
My puzzlement: Windows NT == VMS? Really? Are you serious?
Its funny that Windows is moving in on areas that Unix is traditionally king...
This is true over the past several years, but, unless Microsoft really turns around its business model, I don't see them having much of a chance with the resurgence of UNIX/Linux. How can Microsoft compete with systems that are more mature, more open, cost less, and are beginning to provide a comparable user experience (better if talking about Apple)? I think Microsoft must really be sweating about now thinking of ways to preserve what they have, if even possible.
If VMS also worked on Alpha, what were the barriers for VMS that allowed UNIX to gain more share? UNIX was expensive back then, so unless VMS was really expensive, that couldn't have been a barrier. Was it just DEC's infamous marketing dept.? It seems that other comments make VMS out to be a pretty nice OS.
Sun will be out of business in 5 years.
Solaris 10 has a number of features over Linux and Windows, and Sun is now officially cheaper to buy from than Red Hat and Microsoft. Don't be so quick to write them off, especially since they turned profitable.
stereotypes...can't type today.
But, when you consider the statement you realize that he attributes the source of eternal life to Christ, not himself.
But he _assumes_ he is in the right and obviously heaven-bound. I didn't sense any humility in "/going to Heaven".
Every so often, I'll meet someone who is devoutly faithful, and it blows me away. They are literally the greatest people I have ever met (accomodating, automatically a friend, very optimistic), and they are definitely not like the Bible-thumping alienating people that are the Christian sterotype. It's just in the nature of the Bible-thumpers to make sure we notice them, while it isn't quite as much in the nature of real Christians to stand out, hence the sterotypes.
For reasons I don't understand, I've seen the "su -" syntax not get quite all the user's environment. It still seems to inherit some stuff no matter what.
Why wouldn't you have asserts in the production code?
If the code were properly designed to fail gracefully in production, a failed assertion isn't very graceful.
Most hardware is pretty cheap these days, and good developers are very expensive. It takes very little time savings to justify the purchase of new hardware.
Hardware is a fixed cost that bone-headed managers can wash away and claim a savings. Salaries are harder to get rid of. The result: no hardware, development costs twice as much, and it is easier to talk away labor delays than you might think.
Performance should rarely even be a consideration until the product works. ...until the prototype works. The final product has to perform well. Otherwise, people will find trivial excuses to say it sucks and needs to be replaced, even if, on a whole, it is a decent product.
Please, take the effort to initialize a whole new instance of the database for each environment. Sure, it's a bit of work, but just don't go around stomping on each other's feet thinking it's more convenient. Yes, I have witnessed such stupidity before.
would you want your mother to live forever?
"My body will someday die, but me? I'm immortal. (Thanks to Jesus.)"
Isn't arrogance a sin?
Without generational turn-over, would we would never have had newer open-minded people to make the world suck a little bit less. Imagine if immortality were discovered during the Dark Ages, for example.
Well you can't mix and match with Linux or other GPLed SW...what about the BSDs? What about Darwin? If it is open source but not usable, what is it?
/usr/sfw/, /opt/sfw/, /usr/bin/, /usr/perl5/, /usr/apache/, /usr/apache2/, /usr/gnome/, and /usr/staroffice7/ (OpenOffice.org).
Well, ask the BSD people what they would think if you submitted a patch that included code from Linux. They'd probably freak out.
All Sun would be doing is trying to keep GPL code out of the core Solaris system--no different than the BSDs.
BTW, Solaris _does_ include GPL'd software and other OSS software. Take a look under
Solaris is going to be full-blown Open Source Software, under an OSI-approved license. Does this mean nothing to the FOSS fanboys out there?
Slashdot went crazy over a token patent licensing scheme by IBM, but Sun aquired the IP to make OpenSolaris free to everyone...and nothing not even a dozen comments.
Are you really that beholden to cheap marketing and fanboyism?
The answer, of course, is to have a hot spare E10K! Doesn't everyone have an extra one lying around?
8-way multicore chips will be available within a year. Not exactly NUMA, but they'll probably have other nuances to keep you entertained.
No, it turns out they were running an emulation of 64 Itanium CPUs on the surplus HP Itanium workstation they pulled out of the storage closet.
You must have high ceilings in your office.
Mmmm...a 128 CPU spam zombie...
They did try Windows Server 2003 on a 64-way machine, but the kernel got scared and hid under the disk controller.
Where's Microsoft?!?
(snicker)
I just remembered a scheme compiler from one of my textbooks. It was one page of code, written in scheme.