of course, the "graphical" gopher clients - like Veronica - were expected by some to wipe out the fledgling http browsers like XMosaic and Viola/Cello.
What happened then?
Well, when Mosaic and Veronica were ported to MacOS and Windows, the number of users of both systems shot up.
Alongside this, more and more sites began to install the cern httpd daemon on their servers, providing a single interface to all of their publically-accessible information facilities.
However, the gopher protocol requries a proprietary, licensed back-end server, so the number of gopher sites for those users to visit didn't rise in the same dramatic fashion.
Users began to abandon Veronica and other gopher tools, since those gopher sites that did exist almost always ran an http server providing access to the same information.
And without the user base, there was no real incentive to continue gopher's development, whereas the state of the art in web browesers changed continually.
This is a fairly good illustration of the strengths inherent in a well thought-out, open (and free-to-implement) comms protocol.
interestingly, The Declaration of Independence of the United States, in it's original form, was written by Thomas Paine.
The proof of this appears in many places in the 19th century and even more clearly in the 20th century. William Van der Weyde had printed proof in the earlier part of the 20th century and Joseph Lewis wrote a full book on the subject in 1947.
There was a committee of five in the Continental Congress (Franklin, Adams, Jefferson, Sherman, and Livingston) who were responsible for ratifying the wording of this document, and several important sections were changed.
Perhaps it is this mutilation that has gotten us into our current awful situation?
HeRvoPort ( http://www.ks.net/hervoport/ ) does exactly what you need, and is available for Win NT3.1-4.0 on MIPS, Alpha an x86, and for Win2000 on both IA32 and IA64.
An earlier version provides the same control for OS/2
It was developed origingally by Dave Brucken, who came up with the originial FOSSIL (Fido/Opus/SeaDog Standard Interface Layer) serial spec for FidoNet, and it's since been expanded to manage all port access for Windows.
They used to sell a parallel break-out box, and a strange sort of music synth to go with it, but i think that's fallen by the wayside. cool stuff, anyhow.
If you're going to have any swap space at all, you'll need to have at least as much as your current physical RAM - in fact, most people would recommend running with twice that.
This is becuase the 2.4 kernel likes to keep a copy of it's entire working set in swap. It's terribly inefficient, but it's not likely to change before the 2.5.x series.
Jesus suffering fuck, child! Just how is that flamebait?
Do you expect the fuckwit slashbots to go around writing detailed, over-emotional rants in response to every jesus-themed banality they read?
No - you don't.
So why mark it as flamebait? Do you suffer from the moderator's equivalent of Tourette's Syndrome, perhaps? Or are you just a fucking wankstain with no life?
Probably a mixture of the both, yes?. See? It's nice to find a good, "third way" reason behind your diseased moderation.
So, fuck away off until you've learnt to control yourself.
Oh, and, btw - did my post actually attract any flames? No. Did your moderation? Um, yes. Arsehole.
Well, okay, the room was more of a large cupboard (around 8' x 5') - it was where the printers used by the student population lived.
The computers themselves stayed elsewhere - luckily so, as the disruption to airflow etc., caused by the resulting mess would have caused a disastrous conflagration!
And yes, the continuous feed paper system was fully stocked, and was quite capable of generating several tens of thousands of pages at one go.
The room was at least knee-deep in paper, which, by the time it had settled due to the normal action of gravity, made it impossible to enter via the door - we ended up having to take the window out to make a start on clearing up the mess.
The three metric tons just might have been an exageration though....
Waaaaaaaay back in the day, the techs at UCal would run a calculation of Pi for a couple of weeks on any new kit, just to give it a rudimentary burn-in test.
Once, we had an interconnected series of three PDP-15s [With shared single 1/2" tape spools - the first incarnation of what would becoming DEC's famed VAX Galaxy clustering technology] that was hooked up to a huge auto-fed Adler high-speed line printer.
We set up our standard "Calculate Pi" test routine and left the hardware guys to power on all the peripherals. Us software techs then left to attend a conferance for a week...
When we got back we discovered that the door to the computer would no longer open... Upon investiagtion, we found that the damn HW geeks had turn the lineprinter on too, and it'd been set to echo all terminal output! It'd got through three metric tons of paper, spewing nothing but Pi!
I don't... My keyboard fell off my desk last week, and, of course, all the keys went flying.
I managed to find 'em all, apart from PgDn and Pause/Break, which appear to have rolled under a desk which, unfortunately, has been bolted to the floor:/
Still, I managed to theive a couple of Windows keys from the nearest 105-key abominations, and, with judicious use of a little bit of sandpaper and a black marker pen, things are as good as new. Well, they would be if I could find a way of removing all the crud that mysteriously coats the "j" and "[" keys....
ObTopicalComment: Um, yes, this *does* appear to be um, "convenient" for Microsoft - but not *too* convenient. No, for it to be too convenient, we'd have to see brown paper packages filled with annotated print-outs of the source landing on the Samba developers' doorsteps...
out of interest, how big is your LUG? Are the likes of ESR willing to come to smaller groups?
Speaking to a group of 200 professional, middle-class, wealthy USians is more likely to be an attractive proposition than visiting 200 dirt-poor Estonians, even for the famously meritocratic RMS.
Perhaps financial inducement would help close the gap; but somehow, I doubt it...
...but if that's sufficient to make NT a microkernel, then, well, err, umm, Linux - or {Free,Net,Open}BSD, or Solaris, or HP-UX, or AIX, or Digital UNIX, or... - are also microkernels if they're running X; in systems running X, the rendering code runs in "a process within its own memory space", i.e. the X server, in user mode.
Um, Digital UNIX (now TRU-64, formerly OSF/1) is a true microkernel-based OS. Just about everything within the "kernel" can be reconfigured on the fly, and each sub-system is protected from the others.
I know there's talk of Compaq opening (or, better still, *freeing*) the TRU-64 base source. Even without the "crown jewels" (LSM/AdvFS/Tru-Clusters etc), the advanced microkernel architecture would be a very valuable contribution to the community - TRU-64 is probably the most "comfortable" proper UNIX, and is certainly one of the most advanced in terms of features.
Yes, but if the governemnt suddenly came along and decided to start regulating every aspect of the jet ski manufacturer's business (for whatever reason), it would be entirely improper for the makers of Brand Y oil to be allowed to exert any influence over any restrictions that may be imposed on the sale of Brand X oil.
That's my point here - Jim Clark of Brand Y is rubbing his hands with glee at the prospect of being able to pull enough strings to prevent Brand X from ever being sold in a free and fair (and therefore, if the product is truly better than his own, more competitive) way.
I'd much rather have each of these companies competing against each other on a relatively level palying field - the break-up of Microsoft will restore a lot of balance to what was until now an unreasonably bumpy pitch, that's why it's so disturbing to see Clark running, in a mummys-boy stylee to the Government asking for them to intervene on his behalf.
Is IIS being bundled with NT not much the same as, say Apache being bundled with every Linux dist, or Netscape Enterprise being bundled with just about every commercial *nix?
Indeed, Apache/*nix has much the same share of the server market as IE/Windows does on the client side. Does it not then make *more* sense for the free "bundled" distribution of Apache to be banned?
Note: I'm not actually suggesting that this should happen! I'm just pointing out that to allow someone (like, um, Jim Clark) who has so much to gain from one particular course of action to influence the court's decision in recommending that course of action is as great (or greater) a perversion of justice as anything MS has done over the last few years.
Meaning, that the point in question is debateable, and therefore not worth basing one's argument upon.You could just as easily say:
"that's debateable..."
But, when this topic's concerened, I don't think there's much room for debate - retaliating against the average Black Hat is doomed to failure, or at least is bound to cause more damage to innocent bystanders than most people would consider acceptable.
That's essentially what's happened in the rest of the world.
In the UK, for example, digital terrestrial television fits 6 channels into a "multiplex" - each of which requires the same bandwidth as a single old-style analogue channel. This means that we get 30 or so terrestrial channels instead of the previous 5. Digital Cable and Satellite both carry in excess of 250 channels - although, most of the "new" ones are time-shifted pay-per-view film services etc.
A further development is "statistical multiplexing", which broadcasters will start using, afaik, at the end of this month. Here, each multiplex isn't divided up into a set number of fixed bandwidth allocations, but each currently broadcasting station within that multiplex is given bandwidth "as needed". So, for example, an fx-laden film will be able to "borrow" bandwidth from a relatively static talking-heads-style documentary, and premium drama will suffer less compression than archive news footage.
Using this system of dynamic bandwidth allocation, room has been left open for the future addtion of HDTV, should the public ever demand it. However, I think we'll need to see pre-recorded HDTV titles appearing first to drive demand - perhaps an extension to DVD?
Digital Set-Top boxes can be expanded with the addition of side-car modules. These are primarily to allow the same box to work with terrestrial, satellite and cable stations (some channels are availble on one but not the others), but the specification does allow for new broadcast formats to be introduced.
These boxes connect to any standard TV via a SCART cable (fully-componentised, a thousand times better than american-style S-Video connections). Most TVs sold are still analogue (but widescreen purchases began to eclipse old-style 4:3 sets sometime last year), but integrated digital LCD and gas plasma sets are also widely available.
It's very strange to see the US lagging so badly in AV technology. Surely the ideal solution would be to go for a common standard that even the smallest, independent stations could afford to implement, and that would require minimal (or no) outlay from the consumer but that would still be upgradeable? Surely the commercial pressures can't be that different to those in the rest of the world (here, the TV comapnies can't get people to digital fast enough)....
Well, a prokaryotic cell is an order of magnitude less complex, but, agreed, this would still be a pretty incredible jump to make.
OTOH, a *relatively* simple "organism", capable of performing transcription etc given a suitable environment (ie. a host organism) but incapable of independent activity should certainly be within our grasp in the short-medium term. What we're talking about here is something akin to a virus and WOULD NOT be alive.
As for your anaerobic atmosphere, you seem to be under the impression that water can be easily converted into free oxygen + hydrogen gas. This is NOT the case. There are plenty of environments on Earth today that are totally anaerobic, and there is a great deal of evidence to suggest that life evolved under such conditions.
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No; but giving your logs to another company is (well without your users' permission, anyway).
of course, the "graphical" gopher clients - like Veronica - were expected by some to wipe out the fledgling http browsers like XMosaic and Viola/Cello.
What happened then?
Well, when Mosaic and Veronica were ported to MacOS and Windows, the number of users of both systems shot up.
Alongside this, more and more sites began to install the cern httpd daemon on their servers, providing a single interface to all of their publically-accessible information facilities.
However, the gopher protocol requries a proprietary, licensed back-end server, so the number of gopher sites for those users to visit didn't rise in the same dramatic fashion.
Users began to abandon Veronica and other gopher tools, since those gopher sites that did exist almost always ran an http server providing access to the same information.
And without the user base, there was no real incentive to continue gopher's development, whereas the state of the art in web browesers changed continually.
This is a fairly good illustration of the strengths inherent in a well thought-out, open (and free-to-implement) comms protocol.
interestingly, The Declaration of Independence of the United States, in it's original form, was written by Thomas Paine.
The proof of this appears in many places in the 19th century and even more clearly in the 20th century. William Van der Weyde had printed proof in the earlier part of the 20th century and Joseph Lewis wrote a full book on the subject in 1947.
There was a committee of five in the Continental Congress (Franklin, Adams, Jefferson, Sherman, and Livingston) who were responsible for ratifying the wording of this document, and several important sections were changed.
Perhaps it is this mutilation that has gotten us into our current awful situation?
oh, come on. that's just sad.
the Ipod is groovy!
has anyone got it working with linuxppc yet?
if you were to put it on a prod system, you would, i'm sure, see a vast increase in performance, what with the work ethic and everything...
HeRvoPort ( http://www.ks.net/hervoport/ ) does exactly what you need, and is available for Win NT3.1-4.0 on MIPS, Alpha an x86, and for Win2000 on both IA32 and IA64.
An earlier version provides the same control for OS/2
It was developed origingally by Dave Brucken, who came up with the originial FOSSIL (Fido/Opus/SeaDog Standard Interface Layer) serial spec for FidoNet, and it's since been expanded to manage all port access for Windows.
They used to sell a parallel break-out box, and a strange sort of music synth to go with it, but i think that's fallen by the wayside. cool stuff, anyhow.
If you're going to have any swap space at all, you'll need to have at least as much as your current physical RAM - in fact, most people would recommend running with twice that.
This is becuase the 2.4 kernel likes to keep a copy of it's entire working set in swap. It's terribly inefficient, but it's not likely to change before the 2.5.x series.
Jesus suffering fuck, child! Just how is that flamebait?
Do you expect the fuckwit slashbots to go around writing detailed, over-emotional rants in response to every jesus-themed banality they read?
No - you don't.
So why mark it as flamebait? Do you suffer from the moderator's equivalent of Tourette's Syndrome, perhaps? Or are you just a fucking wankstain with no life?
Probably a mixture of the both, yes?. See? It's nice to find a good, "third way" reason behind your diseased moderation.
So, fuck away off until you've learnt to control yourself.
Oh, and, btw - did my post actually attract any flames? No. Did your moderation? Um, yes. Arsehole.
I have never been molested by jesus
Really? That's hilarious.
Thank-you for brightening my morning.
Dell? Compaq? Sun?
C'mon, child, tell us! I'm dying to know what brand of machine you have.
Thanks,
Rory
I'd rather have a wank /this/ year, thankyouverymuch.
Well, okay, the room was more of a large cupboard (around 8' x 5') - it was where the printers used by the student population lived.
The computers themselves stayed elsewhere - luckily so, as the disruption to airflow etc., caused by the resulting mess would have caused a disastrous conflagration!
And yes, the continuous feed paper system was fully stocked, and was quite capable of generating several tens of thousands of pages at one go.
The room was at least knee-deep in paper, which, by the time it had settled due to the normal action of gravity, made it impossible to enter via the door - we ended up having to take the window out to make a start on clearing up the mess.
The three metric tons just might have been an exageration though....
Waaaaaaaay back in the day, the techs at UCal would run a calculation of Pi for a couple of weeks on any new kit, just to give it a rudimentary burn-in test.
Once, we had an interconnected series of three PDP-15s [With shared single 1/2" tape spools - the first incarnation of what would becoming DEC's famed VAX Galaxy clustering technology] that was hooked up to a huge auto-fed Adler high-speed line printer.
We set up our standard "Calculate Pi" test routine and left the hardware guys to power on all the peripherals. Us software techs then left to attend a conferance for a week...
When we got back we discovered that the door to the computer would no longer open... Upon investiagtion, we found that the damn HW geeks had turn the lineprinter on too, and it'd been set to echo all terminal output! It'd got through three metric tons of paper, spewing nothing but Pi!
Pity I didn't have a camera...
Actually, the correct plural form of "penis" is either "penu" or "penises", depending on which linguist you listen to.
I don't... My keyboard fell off my desk last week, and, of course, all the keys went flying.
I managed to find 'em all, apart from PgDn and Pause/Break, which appear to have rolled under a desk which, unfortunately, has been bolted to the floor :/
Still, I managed to theive a couple of Windows keys from the nearest 105-key abominations, and, with judicious use of a little bit of sandpaper and a black marker pen, things are as good as new. Well, they would be if I could find a way of removing all the crud that mysteriously coats the "j" and "[" keys....
ObTopicalComment: Um, yes, this *does* appear to be um, "convenient" for Microsoft - but not *too* convenient. No, for it to be too convenient, we'd have to see brown paper packages filled with annotated print-outs of the source landing on the Samba developers' doorsteps...
out of interest, how big is your LUG? Are the likes of ESR willing to come to smaller groups?
Speaking to a group of 200 professional, middle-class, wealthy USians is more likely to be an attractive proposition than visiting 200 dirt-poor Estonians, even for the famously meritocratic RMS.
Perhaps financial inducement would help close the gap; but somehow, I doubt it...
Um, Digital UNIX (now TRU-64, formerly OSF/1) is a true microkernel-based OS. Just about everything within the "kernel" can be reconfigured on the fly, and each sub-system is protected from the others.
I know there's talk of Compaq opening (or, better still, *freeing*) the TRU-64 base source. Even without the "crown jewels" (LSM/AdvFS/Tru-Clusters etc), the advanced microkernel architecture would be a very valuable contribution to the community - TRU-64 is probably the most "comfortable" proper UNIX, and is certainly one of the most advanced in terms of features.
Yes, but if the governemnt suddenly came along and decided to start regulating every aspect of the jet ski manufacturer's business (for whatever reason), it would be entirely improper for the makers of Brand Y oil to be allowed to exert any influence over any restrictions that may be imposed on the sale of Brand X oil.
That's my point here - Jim Clark of Brand Y is rubbing his hands with glee at the prospect of being able to pull enough strings to prevent Brand X from ever being sold in a free and fair (and therefore, if the product is truly better than his own, more competitive) way.
I'd much rather have each of these companies competing against each other on a relatively level palying field - the break-up of Microsoft will restore a lot of balance to what was until now an unreasonably bumpy pitch, that's why it's so disturbing to see Clark running, in a mummys-boy stylee to the Government asking for them to intervene on his behalf.
Is IIS being bundled with NT not much the same as, say Apache being bundled with every Linux dist, or Netscape Enterprise being bundled with just about every commercial *nix?
Indeed, Apache/*nix has much the same share of the server market as IE/Windows does on the client side. Does it not then make *more* sense for the free "bundled" distribution of Apache to be banned?
Note: I'm not actually suggesting that this should happen! I'm just pointing out that to allow someone (like, um, Jim Clark) who has so much to gain from one particular course of action to influence the court's decision in recommending that course of action is as great (or greater) a perversion of justice as anything MS has done over the last few years.
Usage generally goes something like:
"that's a moot point..."
Meaning, that the point in question is debateable, and therefore not worth basing one's argument upon.You could just as easily say:
"that's debateable..."
But, when this topic's concerened, I don't think there's much room for debate - retaliating against the average Black Hat is doomed to failure, or at least is bound to cause more damage to innocent bystanders than most people would consider acceptable.
that should *probably* read:
http://totl.net/Eunuch/index.htmlhttp://www.dansdata.com/sbs3.htm is also an interesting read... :)
That's essentially what's happened in the rest of the world.
In the UK, for example, digital terrestrial television fits 6 channels into a "multiplex" - each of which requires the same bandwidth as a single old-style analogue channel. This means that we get 30 or so terrestrial channels instead of the previous 5. Digital Cable and Satellite both carry in excess of 250 channels - although, most of the "new" ones are time-shifted pay-per-view film services etc.
A further development is "statistical multiplexing", which broadcasters will start using, afaik, at the end of this month. Here, each multiplex isn't divided up into a set number of fixed bandwidth allocations, but each currently broadcasting station within that multiplex is given bandwidth "as needed". So, for example, an fx-laden film will be able to "borrow" bandwidth from a relatively static talking-heads-style documentary, and premium drama will suffer less compression than archive news footage.
Using this system of dynamic bandwidth allocation, room has been left open for the future addtion of HDTV, should the public ever demand it. However, I think we'll need to see pre-recorded HDTV titles appearing first to drive demand - perhaps an extension to DVD?
Digital Set-Top boxes can be expanded with the addition of side-car modules. These are primarily to allow the same box to work with terrestrial, satellite and cable stations (some channels are availble on one but not the others), but the specification does allow for new broadcast formats to be introduced.
These boxes connect to any standard TV via a SCART cable (fully-componentised, a thousand times better than american-style S-Video connections). Most TVs sold are still analogue (but widescreen purchases began to eclipse old-style 4:3 sets sometime last year), but integrated digital LCD and gas plasma sets are also widely available.
It's very strange to see the US lagging so badly in AV technology. Surely the ideal solution would be to go for a common standard that even the smallest, independent stations could afford to implement, and that would require minimal (or no) outlay from the consumer but that would still be upgradeable? Surely the commercial pressures can't be that different to those in the rest of the world (here, the TV comapnies can't get people to digital fast enough)....
Well, a prokaryotic cell is an order of magnitude less complex, but, agreed, this would still be a pretty incredible jump to make.
OTOH, a *relatively* simple "organism", capable of performing transcription etc given a suitable environment (ie. a host organism) but incapable of independent activity should certainly be within our grasp in the short-medium term. What we're talking about here is something akin to a virus and WOULD NOT be alive.
As for your anaerobic atmosphere, you seem to be under the impression that water can be easily converted into free oxygen + hydrogen gas. This is NOT the case. There are plenty of environments on Earth today that are totally anaerobic, and there is a great deal of evidence to suggest that life evolved under such conditions.