Sorry guy, I guess I must be just an ignorant Nazi/baby killer. I'll go shoot myself now, ok?
Hmmm. I raised real issues about the dangers of religious zealotry in any form and you proceeded to claim that zealotry does not exist unless planes are flown into buildings (or similar). I pointed out the very real consequences this country has faced due to allowing blind zealotry into high positions of government. From that you take away that I called you a nazi baby killer?
That you then use as proof that there is no tolerance for "non-left" opinions?
I'm afraid I can't even see the connection. Sounds like a persecution complex to me. let's see. Hence my origional comment in this thread, since marked troll -1, Hmmm... No, it's still at +2 and wasn't even modded at all. Sure sounds like it.
I didn't even discuss Ashcroft's politics, just his negligent actions in zealous pursuit of one particular aspect of one interpretation of one religion. There was nothing on the left/right spectrum in my post. Unless, that is, you believe that anything critical of a member of a Republican administration is "left wing", in which case I'd have to say that your political zealotry has blinded you to your duty to be an informed citizen.
The sun has been around since we humans where outfitted with these modern brains of ours.
Heathen!!! Everybody knows the sun has only been around since the Enlightenment. Why do you think they called it that? And why was it that that followed the *Dark* ages.
Ashcroft is a guy who has beliefs you don't agree with, and is not concerened that you disagree. That's not a zealot, that's a guy with some steel in his spine.
Wow, your delusions are showing through. Ashcroft is a guy who is so concerned about naughty words and pornography that he will pull justice department resources off of terrorism investigations to harass people for smut and swearing, thus helping to allow the 9/11 attacks.
That is blind ignorant zealotry to put any resources into dirty words when everyone and their mother was telling us the attacks were coming.
Steel in his spine my ass. He's a coward who has a very hard time dealing with the fact that there are people who are allowed to believe differently than him.
A zealot is a guy who will fly an airplane into a building for his faith, or blow up a school gym full of little kids. We don't see that much around here.
Not so much recently, but don't kid yourself that Christians are any better than that. They have used similar tactics for thousands of years.
Add in the fact that most of those smaller states take more away from the rest of the country than they give and you have a really bad situation. You have people whose lifestyles depend on those in the other states getting a greater say. Curiously, most of the welfare states are Republican states. They vote against the very things that allow the Liberal states to create such vibrant economies out of small minded ignorance. Trult pathetic.
Absolutely false. Using the methods Gore called for, Bush won. In a recount of the entire state, Gore won.
Add in the thousands of illegally disenfranchised voters and the -14,000 votes for Gore from a Diebold machine and you have a complete subversion of the democratic process.
It's not exactly cut-and-dry whether George W. Bush was the rightful victor in the 2000 presidential election. The recounts showed Bush got a handful more votes in Florida, but well within the margin of error. So we will never know who more people INTENDED to vote for.
Wrong.
The recounts the way Gore asked for had Bush winning. If the whole state was recounted, Gore won. The fact that Gore was a fuckwad about it doesn't change the facts.
Add in the thousands of illegally disenfranchised voters and the -14,000 votes for Gore from a Diebold machine, and you have a complete subversion of the democratic process. Now we are 4 years down a path of laws we can't see, disagreement = treason, and wars based on falsified evidence.
So, no. No decent patriotic American will let this go.
IN any case, being against taht does not have to mean we hate gay people. Far from it. It meagse wea re against that specific issue. No more, no less....yet people will ervert this.
This argument falls apart when you actually look at what you are saying by being against it.
You are saying flat out that you think it is your right to deny somebody their basic right to be with their loved one when they are dying in the hospital, and that you do not think they should be allowed to have their property default to their loved one when they die.
In the eyes of the law, that is all that marriage is. Now look at what you are saying and deny that you hate them again. Keep in mind nobody is trying to tell your church to perform the ceremony. But the only reason I have ever heard for denying a group of people basic human rights because you don't like them is hatred. What else would you call it?
Seriously, the only reason anyone has ever publicly given is "It will destroy marriage" which is, of course, completely ridiculous. Nobody has ever proposed a mechanism by which such a thing would be possible.
What else could it possibly be besides ignorance and hate?
What does it matter that your driving license expired? It's still valid ID. It just means that you can't drive until you have a new one. It has your name, DOB and details as well as a picture and these don't change between licences.
What are they going to say? This expired a few days ago, it's not you anymore?
Quite frankly, yes.
At least at bars. I was refused entry with an expired ID, so I had to use my passpert.
Personally, I find it difficult to believe that the entire universe can be dismissed as some random accident, with all effects in it reducible to physics only slightly beyond what we can currently calculate.
The problem I have with this argument is that it applies to god in exactly the same way. It adds no new information and merely adds a lair of indirection. Check out this made up dialog: R=Religious person A= Atheist
R: Where did the universe come from? A: I don't know
A: where did the universe come from? R: God made it. A: Where did God come from? R: I don't know. ( or he's always been here, or you're not supposed to ask or something else that boils down to the same thing.)
You get to the same place, but only after trying to hide your ignorance behind something.
Now, as for atheists, they do seem awfully religious for people who profess no belief in gods. All the same irrational, emotional responses. Besides, your arguments could just as easily prove that people are agnostic from birth. A position (that when chosen for reasons other than its diplomatic convenience) that is perhaps a bit more intellectually honest, I'd say.
Maybe some you've met. Not me. I disagree with your assessment regarding agnosticism though. See my response to the poster above you for that discussion.
If there is a deity worthy of that word, who says it has to be "all-powerful" ? Omnipotence is more for the hicks that need to convinced to worship it...
Well, most people who claim to believe in one from what I've seen.
it's hard to believe there is nothing "supernatural" at all.
Certainly. I know there are things science can not currently explain. It is entirely possible that there are things that will remain outside its ability to explain. The idea that there was a conscious entity who decided to create the universe, the world, and human nature is beyond sanity to me. If there is, he's either nowhere near as knowledgable as people say, or evil as hell.
Actually, this statement would indicate that you are an agnostic, not an atheist.
Not true.
An atheist, on the other hand, would hang onto his disbelief in God regardless of any proof.
Again, false.
You might use the word that way, but that isn't what it means. I don't "doubt" the existence of god which would be agnosticism. I don't believe there is any such thing. I don't think it's even possible for there to be such an entity. Omniscient, Omnipotent, and Good is a fallacy Just look around.
Now if God himself came down and started doing god type stuff, well, I certainly don't deny evidence. That doesn't mean I am agnostic, that's just basic rationality.
For a person to present solid proof is totally impossible by the very nature of the beast which is one of the reasons it seems so incredibly silly to me.
Are you saying that the US is currently being ruled by religious zealots?
No. What I am saying is that there are a growing number of them in positions of power, most notably the Attorney General, and they are actively seeking greater control so they can shove their world view down our throats. This is a cause for great concern because fundamentalists of any persuasion are extremely dangerous people.
Would you people please quit repeating this stupid crap?
Pretty please.
It is absolutely false.
A - without theism - belief in god(s)
An atheist is somebody without a belief in a god or gods. That's it.
Some people might be more militant about it, but that has nothing to do with what the word means or how it fits into reality.
Everybody is born an atheist. Everybody. The Pope, those people on your college campus yelling at you that you're going to hell, Bush, everybody.
It is the natural state.
At some point everybody who now believes in some particular god was taught about it through some means ( most often their parents tell them it's absolute truth from the time they're born ) and they started believing that that was true.
I personally, have never seen anything to convince me that an all powerful, all knowing creature who is at the same time good is even possible in this universe. If you choose to believe that, then that is your business, but the burden of proof is on you, since you are the one claiming such a thing exists. This isn't to say that you have some burden to try and convince me, just that the fact is that you are the one who is proposing something as true, not me.
In fact you are proposing something as true with zero evidence and a built in requirement that it shall have zero evidence and that it has to be accepted as such.
That is a religion. Not choosing to believe such a thing is in no way, shape, or form religious.
So nobody chooses to be an Atheist (at least initially. Some people have gone back and forth) they just are until and unless they make some other choice.
Do you get it?
Please stop repeating that mindless mantra which has no basis in reality.
The West is being draged kicking and screaming into a religious war with the Middle East dude, or have you not been paying attention?
The fundamentalist nutjobs in America are a large part of who is dragging us into this religious war.
They are not fighting for anybody's freedom. They are fighting to make some predictions from revelation come true so the whole world can go to hell and they can go to heaven beforehand and gloat at all of us heathens who have to suffer through it. Sad how un-Christian an attitude they have. Even sadder they think that'll get them special treatment.
They take as unkindly to unbelievers as the fundamentalist Muslims. We only made it this far because the founding fathers knew how they were and did everything they could to hold them back. It's sad that so many people want to piss that away now.
I remember growing up and reading Heinlein's books where the US became a religious theocracy and I thought it was ridiculous. Well, it's getting damn close, and that is scary as hell to anybody with any sense.
Name me one time in history where letting the religious zealots rule was anything but horror for the majority of the people.
Clinton lied in a deposition. That is purgury. A crime. And that is what it was about.
No, it was about doing anything possible to connect Clinton in any way with any sort of crime. They spent years trying to pin a whole slew of things on him and they all fell through. Except for the blowjob. So he lied about who gave him head. In most circles, that's called being a gentleman. In your sick little world it's justification for an impeachment. Magically, lying about WMDs, uranium and a whole bunch of other things which were used as an excuse to invade a country that was never any threat to us is ok in your book. Get a grip on reality, little troll.
Porn higher than terrorism. Nope, doesn't hold water.
Actually, it does. Porn, dirty language, and 5 other issues were above terrorism on the Justice department's priority scale. Ashcroft has admitted that, it's a matter of the public record, so again wake up little troll.
Secret meetings with Enron - nope, no proof of that,
Right. We know Ken Lay was there. We don't know who else was there, or what was discussed, but we do know that that was how our energy policy was set.
You also have no concept of the meaning of the word 'fascist' if you are trying to apply it to conservatives.
Actually, it means the merger of state and corporate power. So Enron writing our energy policy, Pfiser adding paragraphs to the Patriot Act to prevent them from being sued if their products cause autism in children, privatizing the military, allowing civilian contractors to order our soldiers to torture people are all examples of Fascism in action.
You apparently do not know what the word means little troll.
c'mon. take two stories. one, bush awol. dozens of stories about it, and nothing substantiates it
It took what, 4 years for them to address this story? It is completely substantiated. The DOD released the records they "lost" finally. No record of Bush reporting for duty. No record of him being paid. Not one single person who can recall even seeing him. The fact that the President who manufactured a war through false evidence was a deserter from a luxury post. That he refused to take his physical at the same time drug tests were instituted while he pushes harsh punishments for drug offenders?
That is big fucking news. Had they reported this accurately before the last election, the world would be a much better place right now.
two, swift vets. the MSM didn't eve touch it for weeks, until the blogosphere was running wild.
Because that isn't news. A group known to make up lies in support of republican elections makes up lies in support of a republican election? Yeah, that's real news. The fact that it's even reported as if it had legitimacy is all the proof you need that the media is slanted not to the right, but in favor of the current administration who is far more fascist than Republican, or conservative.
. it's not just what is reported, it's what's not. the economy is doing as well as it was when clinton was re-elected. then the economy was booming. today, it's in the tank?
That would be because it still is in the tank. We're still down millions of jobs and it is nowhere near where it was under Clinton. Not that the president has everything to do with the economy, but at least try to sound sane when you're spouting out your lies.
why do you think conservative talk radio took off? they had no where else to go. that is the truth.
Because there is a large segment of the population who has little but hatred to keep them going, and those radio hosts cater to that. "The evil Democrats they want everybody to have equal rights like the constitution says. That means gay people are as good as you that means niggers will fuck your daughters fear fear fear hate hate hate". People who buy into that already believe delusional things, so having someone tell them they are legitimate even when they are clearly off the edge of reality makes them feel better.
The really sad part is that most of the Republican states are on welfare which is being paid by the liberal states which are the ones making money. I don't mean that the people living there are on welfare, but the whole entire states are. They receive more in government funding than they put out, and the majority of the income comes from the liberal states.
I respect that people have different opinions, but when they direct their ignorant vitriol at me when I am paying for their existence it starts to piss me off after a while.
Clinton was not hounded by the press; he was hounded by Ken Starr, and the press reluctantly reported what was obviously news
You are totally warped. There was no reluctance. There was hardly anything else reported the whole time the witch hunt was going on.
The liberal spin is so apparent that even you should see it; the liberal media spun this as 'blowjob gate' or 'monicagate', when it would more accurately be 'bullshitgate' or 'purgerygate' or 'obstruction of justicegate.'
No, it absolutely was about a blowjob. Nobody with a scrap of sense or integrity gives a shit about that. It wasn't news or anybody's damn business for that matter. The fact that it even came up was a testament to how far the Republican attack machine will go to subvert democracy.
As for Bush getting a free pass, I don't know what to say. It would seem you've not opened a paper, magazine, or turned on the TV in, gosh, 2 years.
Yes, I have. You didn't address the one glaring example, let alone the plethora of others.
- you, like the liberal media, are so left wing on all your thoughts and philosophies that you actually think you represent the 'mainstream,' and can't comprehend the fact that you represent a small mindset of people who want to change the entire political, philisophical, and financial landscape of the US.
Orwellian delusions. First, you have no clue what my thoughts and philosophies are so you're talking out of your ass with nothing to back yourself up.
Second, you are trying to assert that the "mainstream" mindset is that it is wholely good and consistent with American ideals to make up false evidence as an excuse to invade a country that was no threat. To put pornography as a much higher priority than terrorism until we got attacked ignoring the overwhelming evidence that it was coming? To have secret meetings with Enron and other energy companies to decide our energy policy without no input from the people. In fact, to hide their actions from the very people whose fundamental right is to know what was discussed?
The fact is that all of those things are completely fascist in nature. You think that that is mainstream America? You are a fringe lunatic, but of course you try to claim that people who actually do believe in free elections, a government that is beholden to the people, and personal liberty and responsibility are the out there ones.
Liberal journalists SERIOUSLY outnumber conservative ones.
Irrelevant.
Major media organization owners are 100% right wing.
That is a far more serious outnumbering. The journalists can believe whatever they want, but the critical stories will be buried or not even reported.
Clinton was hounded by the press over a blow job, and Ken Starr's wasting of millions of dollars of our money in a fruitless crusade received a passing mention.
Bush made up lies to start a war and the press is still treating him with kid gloves. If the press was even centrist, then he would be hounded with 10 times the vitriol as Clinton was because his transgressions are so much worse.
Imagine if Clinton had answered a fairly easy question with, "ummmm I wish you'd given me that question in advance". He would have been rousted to hell and back and rightly so. Bush got a free pass. He does constantly.
So please wake up and quit spreading these "liberal media" lies.
It's too bad they don't mention John Kerry, and the DNCs, attempt to censor the Swift Boat Veterans using these letters.
The Swift Boat Veterans have been outed as a bunch of lying sacks of shit. Every single one of their statements have been proven untrue. Please start paying attention in the future.
The only reason they are still in the news is that the media is so far to the right that truth takes a back seat to pushing the treasonous Bush agenda.
Pull your head out of your ass and quit spreading lies.
he was going on and on about the media (which oddly enough is controlled by his lefty buddies)
If you're really that out of touch with reality as to believe something this insane, how could anybody take anything you say with any seriousness?
Name me one "leftist" gigantic corporation that owns a major media franchise.
Let's see, ClearChannel? Nope, huge right wing supporters.
G.E.? Right, major weapons manufacturers hate leaders who make up excuss to invade countries and create a demand for more of their products.
NewsCorp? Bah.
Please, get a grip. Quit repeating ignorant lies which have zero basis in reality and which nobody with a scrap of sense or integrity believes anymore.
turns out it's a little bit trickier to create these (and make them optimally small) than it is on text files, since you can't rely on there being newlines in a non-text file.
Slashdot Mirror
Sorry guy, I guess I must be just an ignorant Nazi/baby killer. I'll go shoot myself now, ok?
Hmmm. I raised real issues about the dangers of religious zealotry in any form and you proceeded to claim that zealotry does not exist unless planes are flown into buildings (or similar).
I pointed out the very real consequences this country has faced due to allowing blind zealotry into high positions of government.
From that you take away that I called you a nazi baby killer?
That you then use as proof that there is no tolerance for "non-left" opinions?
I'm afraid I can't even see the connection. Sounds like a persecution complex to me.
let's see.
Hence my origional comment in this thread, since marked troll -1,
Hmmm... No, it's still at +2 and wasn't even modded at all. Sure sounds like it.
I didn't even discuss Ashcroft's politics, just his negligent actions in zealous pursuit of one particular aspect of one interpretation of one religion. There was nothing on the left/right spectrum in my post.
Unless, that is, you believe that anything critical of a member of a Republican administration is "left wing", in which case I'd have to say that your political zealotry has blinded you to your duty to be an informed citizen.
The sun has been around since we humans where outfitted with these modern brains of ours.
Heathen!!!
Everybody knows the sun has only been around since the Enlightenment. Why do you think they called it that?
And why was it that that followed the *Dark* ages.
Sheesh, some people.
Ashcroft is a guy who has beliefs you don't agree with, and is not concerened that you disagree. That's not a zealot, that's a guy with some steel in his spine.
Wow, your delusions are showing through.
Ashcroft is a guy who is so concerned about naughty words and pornography that he will pull justice department resources off of terrorism investigations to harass people for smut and swearing, thus helping to allow the 9/11 attacks.
That is blind ignorant zealotry to put any resources into dirty words when everyone and their mother was telling us the attacks were coming.
Steel in his spine my ass. He's a coward who has a very hard time dealing with the fact that there are people who are allowed to believe differently than him.
A zealot is a guy who will fly an airplane into a building for his faith, or blow up a school gym full of little kids. We don't see that much around here.
Not so much recently, but don't kid yourself that Christians are any better than that. They have used similar tactics for thousands of years.
There were a number of real reasons why Enron was located in Texas and not all of them had to do with Oil.
Of course, once Arnie got elected he dropped the suit against them like a hot potato.
Just ask all the dead people at the polls in chicago ;->
Come on now, do you seriously believe that people got up out of their graves, marched down to the polls, and voted?
Now, granted, lots of live people voted for the dead people, but isn't that what great great great great great grandma would have wanted.
By the way, I live in Chicago "Where even the dead vote early and often".
Add in the fact that most of those smaller states take more away from the rest of the country than they give and you have a really bad situation. You have people whose lifestyles depend on those in the other states getting a greater say. Curiously, most of the welfare states are Republican states. They vote against the very things that allow the Liberal states to create such vibrant economies out of small minded ignorance.
Trult pathetic.
Bush won the popular vote in Florida - period.
Absolutely false.
Using the methods Gore called for, Bush won.
In a recount of the entire state, Gore won.
Add in the thousands of illegally disenfranchised voters and the -14,000 votes for Gore from a Diebold machine and you have a complete subversion of the democratic process.
So please stop repeating those falsehoods.
It's not exactly cut-and-dry whether George W. Bush was the rightful victor in the 2000 presidential election. The recounts showed Bush got a handful more votes in Florida, but well within the margin of error. So we will never know who more people INTENDED to vote for.
Wrong.
The recounts the way Gore asked for had Bush winning. If the whole state was recounted, Gore won.
The fact that Gore was a fuckwad about it doesn't change the facts.
Add in the thousands of illegally disenfranchised voters and the -14,000 votes for Gore from a Diebold machine, and you have a complete subversion of the democratic process. Now we are 4 years down a path of laws we can't see, disagreement = treason, and wars based on falsified evidence.
So, no. No decent patriotic American will let this go.
IN any case, being against taht does not have to mean we hate gay people. Far from it. It meagse wea re against that specific issue. No more, no less....yet people will ervert this.
This argument falls apart when you actually look at what you are saying by being against it.
You are saying flat out that you think it is your right to deny somebody their basic right to be with their loved one when they are dying in the hospital, and that you do not think they should be allowed to have their property default to their loved one when they die.
In the eyes of the law, that is all that marriage is. Now look at what you are saying and deny that you hate them again.
Keep in mind nobody is trying to tell your church to perform the ceremony. But the only reason I have ever heard for denying a group of people basic human rights because you don't like them is hatred. What else would you call it?
Seriously, the only reason anyone has ever publicly given is "It will destroy marriage" which is, of course, completely ridiculous. Nobody has ever proposed a mechanism by which such a thing would be possible.
What else could it possibly be besides ignorance and hate?
What does it matter that your driving license expired? It's still valid ID. It just means that you can't drive until you have a new one. It has your name, DOB and details as well as a picture and these don't change between licences.
What are they going to say? This expired a few days ago, it's not you anymore?
Quite frankly, yes.
At least at bars. I was refused entry with an expired ID, so I had to use my passpert.
Personally, I find it difficult to believe that the entire universe can be dismissed as some random accident, with all effects in it reducible to physics only slightly beyond what we can currently calculate.
The problem I have with this argument is that it applies to god in exactly the same way. It adds no new information and merely adds a lair of indirection. Check out this made up dialog:
R=Religious person A= Atheist
R: Where did the universe come from?
A: I don't know
A: where did the universe come from?
R: God made it.
A: Where did God come from?
R: I don't know. ( or he's always been here, or you're not supposed to ask or something else that boils down to the same thing.)
You get to the same place, but only after trying to hide your ignorance behind something.
Now, as for atheists, they do seem awfully religious for people who profess no belief in gods. All the same irrational, emotional responses. Besides, your arguments could just as easily prove that people are agnostic from birth. A position (that when chosen for reasons other than its diplomatic convenience) that is perhaps a bit more intellectually honest, I'd say.
Maybe some you've met.
Not me. I disagree with your assessment regarding agnosticism though. See my response to the poster above you for that discussion.
If there is a deity worthy of that word, who says it has to be "all-powerful" ? Omnipotence is more for the hicks that need to convinced to worship it...
Well, most people who claim to believe in one from what I've seen.
it's hard to believe there is nothing "supernatural" at all.
Certainly. I know there are things science can not currently explain. It is entirely possible that there are things that will remain outside its ability to explain.
The idea that there was a conscious entity who decided to create the universe, the world, and human nature is beyond sanity to me. If there is, he's either nowhere near as knowledgable as people say, or evil as hell.
Actually, this statement would indicate that you are an agnostic, not an atheist.
Not true.
An atheist, on the other hand, would hang onto his disbelief in God regardless of any proof.
Again, false.
You might use the word that way, but that isn't what it means.
I don't "doubt" the existence of god which would be agnosticism.
I don't believe there is any such thing. I don't think it's even possible for there to be such an entity. Omniscient, Omnipotent, and Good is a fallacy Just look around.
Now if God himself came down and started doing god type stuff, well, I certainly don't deny evidence. That doesn't mean I am agnostic, that's just basic rationality.
For a person to present solid proof is totally impossible by the very nature of the beast which is one of the reasons it seems so incredibly silly to me.
Are you saying that the US is currently being ruled by religious zealots?
No. What I am saying is that there are a growing number of them in positions of power, most notably the Attorney General, and they are actively seeking greater control so they can shove their world view down our throats.
This is a cause for great concern because fundamentalists of any persuasion are extremely dangerous people.
Would you people please quit repeating this stupid crap?
Pretty please.
It is absolutely false.
A - without
theism - belief in god(s)
An atheist is somebody without a belief in a god or gods. That's it.
Some people might be more militant about it, but that has nothing to do with what the word means or how it fits into reality.
Everybody is born an atheist. Everybody. The Pope, those people on your college campus yelling at you that you're going to hell, Bush, everybody.
It is the natural state.
At some point everybody who now believes in some particular god was taught about it through some means ( most often their parents tell them it's absolute truth from the time they're born ) and they started believing that that was true.
I personally, have never seen anything to convince me that an all powerful, all knowing creature who is at the same time good is even possible in this universe. If you choose to believe that, then that is your business, but the burden of proof is on you, since you are the one claiming such a thing exists. This isn't to say that you have some burden to try and convince me, just that the fact is that you are the one who is proposing something as true, not me.
In fact you are proposing something as true with zero evidence and a built in requirement that it shall have zero evidence and that it has to be accepted as such.
That is a religion. Not choosing to believe such a thing is in no way, shape, or form religious.
So nobody chooses to be an Atheist (at least initially. Some people have gone back and forth) they just are until and unless they make some other choice.
Do you get it?
Please stop repeating that mindless mantra which has no basis in reality.
The West is being draged kicking and screaming into a religious war with the Middle East dude, or have you not been paying attention?
The fundamentalist nutjobs in America are a large part of who is dragging us into this religious war.
They are not fighting for anybody's freedom. They are fighting to make some predictions from revelation come true so the whole world can go to hell and they can go to heaven beforehand and gloat at all of us heathens who have to suffer through it. Sad how un-Christian an attitude they have. Even sadder they think that'll get them special treatment.
They take as unkindly to unbelievers as the fundamentalist Muslims. We only made it this far because the founding fathers knew how they were and did everything they could to hold them back.
It's sad that so many people want to piss that away now.
I remember growing up and reading Heinlein's books where the US became a religious theocracy and I thought it was ridiculous. Well, it's getting damn close, and that is scary as hell to anybody with any sense.
Name me one time in history where letting the religious zealots rule was anything but horror for the majority of the people.
And no...contrary to your sub-par schoolbooks, they are not cold because I live in an igloo
Dude, you were making some sense up to this point.
Canadians not living in igloos?!? Sheesh what next.
Wow, what a nasty little troll you are.
Clinton lied in a deposition. That is purgury. A crime. And that is what it was about.
No, it was about doing anything possible to connect Clinton in any way with any sort of crime. They spent years trying to pin a whole slew of things on him and they all fell through. Except for the blowjob. So he lied about who gave him head. In most circles, that's called being a gentleman. In your sick little world it's justification for an impeachment. Magically, lying about WMDs, uranium and a whole bunch of other things which were used as an excuse to invade a country that was never any threat to us is ok in your book. Get a grip on reality, little troll.
Porn higher than terrorism. Nope, doesn't hold water.
Actually, it does. Porn, dirty language, and 5 other issues were above terrorism on the Justice department's priority scale. Ashcroft has admitted that, it's a matter of the public record, so again wake up little troll.
Secret meetings with Enron - nope, no proof of that,
Right. We know Ken Lay was there. We don't know who else was there, or what was discussed, but we do know that that was how our energy policy was set.
You also have no concept of the meaning of the word 'fascist' if you are trying to apply it to conservatives.
Actually, it means the merger of state and corporate power. So Enron writing our energy policy, Pfiser adding paragraphs to the Patriot Act to prevent them from being sued if their products cause autism in children, privatizing the military, allowing civilian contractors to order our soldiers to torture people are all examples of Fascism in action.
You apparently do not know what the word means little troll.
c'mon. take two stories. one, bush awol. dozens of stories about it, and nothing substantiates it
It took what, 4 years for them to address this story?
It is completely substantiated. The DOD released the records they "lost" finally. No record of Bush reporting for duty. No record of him being paid. Not one single person who can recall even seeing him.
The fact that the President who manufactured a war through false evidence was a deserter from a luxury post. That he refused to take his physical at the same time drug tests were instituted while he pushes harsh punishments for drug offenders?
That is big fucking news. Had they reported this accurately before the last election, the world would be a much better place right now.
two, swift vets. the MSM didn't eve touch it for weeks, until the blogosphere was running wild.
Because that isn't news. A group known to make up lies in support of republican elections makes up lies in support of a republican election?
Yeah, that's real news.
The fact that it's even reported as if it had legitimacy is all the proof you need that the media is slanted not to the right, but in favor of the current administration who is far more fascist than Republican, or conservative.
. it's not just what is reported, it's what's not. the economy is doing as well as it was when clinton was re-elected. then the economy was booming. today, it's in the tank?
That would be because it still is in the tank.
We're still down millions of jobs and it is nowhere near where it was under Clinton. Not that the president has everything to do with the economy, but at least try to sound sane when you're spouting out your lies.
why do you think conservative talk radio took off? they had no where else to go. that is the truth.
Because there is a large segment of the population who has little but hatred to keep them going, and those radio hosts cater to that. "The evil Democrats they want everybody to have equal rights like the constitution says. That means gay people are as good as you that means niggers will fuck your daughters fear fear fear hate hate hate".
People who buy into that already believe delusional things, so having someone tell them they are legitimate even when they are clearly off the edge of reality makes them feel better.
The really sad part is that most of the Republican states are on welfare which is being paid by the liberal states which are the ones making money.
I don't mean that the people living there are on welfare, but the whole entire states are.
They receive more in government funding than they put out, and the majority of the income comes from the liberal states.
I respect that people have different opinions, but when they direct their ignorant vitriol at me when I am paying for their existence it starts to piss me off after a while.
Clinton was not hounded by the press; he was hounded by Ken Starr, and the press reluctantly reported what was obviously news
You are totally warped.
There was no reluctance. There was hardly anything else reported the whole time the witch hunt was going on.
The liberal spin is so apparent that even you should see it; the liberal media spun this as 'blowjob gate' or 'monicagate', when it would more accurately be 'bullshitgate' or 'purgerygate' or 'obstruction of justicegate.'
No, it absolutely was about a blowjob.
Nobody with a scrap of sense or integrity gives a shit about that. It wasn't news or anybody's damn business for that matter. The fact that it even came up was a testament to how far the Republican attack machine will go to subvert democracy.
As for Bush getting a free pass, I don't know what to say. It would seem you've not opened a paper, magazine, or turned on the TV in, gosh, 2 years.
Yes, I have. You didn't address the one glaring example, let alone the plethora of others.
- you, like the liberal media, are so left wing on all your thoughts and philosophies that you actually think you represent the 'mainstream,' and can't comprehend the fact that you represent a small mindset of people who want to change the entire political, philisophical, and financial landscape of the US.
Orwellian delusions. First, you have no clue what my thoughts and philosophies are so you're talking out of your ass with nothing to back yourself up.
Second, you are trying to assert that the "mainstream" mindset is that it is wholely good and consistent with American ideals to make up false evidence as an excuse to invade a country that was no threat.
To put pornography as a much higher priority than terrorism until we got attacked ignoring the overwhelming evidence that it was coming?
To have secret meetings with Enron and other energy companies to decide our energy policy without no input from the people. In fact, to hide their actions from the very people whose fundamental right is to know what was discussed?
The fact is that all of those things are completely fascist in nature. You think that that is mainstream America?
You are a fringe lunatic, but of course you try to claim that people who actually do believe in free elections, a government that is beholden to the people, and personal liberty and responsibility are the out there ones.
Wack job.
Liberal journalists SERIOUSLY outnumber conservative ones.
Irrelevant.
Major media organization owners are 100% right wing.
That is a far more serious outnumbering.
The journalists can believe whatever they want, but the critical stories will be buried or not even reported.
Clinton was hounded by the press over a blow job, and Ken Starr's wasting of millions of dollars of our money in a fruitless crusade received a passing mention.
Bush made up lies to start a war and the press is still treating him with kid gloves. If the press was even centrist, then he would be hounded with 10 times the vitriol as Clinton was because his transgressions are so much worse.
Imagine if Clinton had answered a fairly easy question with, "ummmm I wish you'd given me that question in advance".
He would have been rousted to hell and back and rightly so.
Bush got a free pass.
He does constantly.
So please wake up and quit spreading these "liberal media" lies.
It's too bad they don't mention John Kerry, and the DNCs, attempt to censor the Swift Boat Veterans using these letters.
The Swift Boat Veterans have been outed as a bunch of lying sacks of shit.
Every single one of their statements have been proven untrue.
Please start paying attention in the future.
The only reason they are still in the news is that the media is so far to the right that truth takes a back seat to pushing the treasonous Bush agenda.
Pull your head out of your ass and quit spreading lies.
he was going on and on about the media (which oddly enough is controlled by his lefty buddies)
If you're really that out of touch with reality as to believe something this insane, how could anybody take anything you say with any seriousness?
Name me one "leftist" gigantic corporation that owns a major media franchise.
Let's see, ClearChannel?
Nope, huge right wing supporters.
G.E.?
Right, major weapons manufacturers hate leaders who make up excuss to invade countries and create a demand for more of their products.
NewsCorp?
Bah.
Please, get a grip. Quit repeating ignorant lies which have zero basis in reality and which nobody with a scrap of sense or integrity believes anymore.
Aha.
Thanks.
turns out it's a little bit trickier to create these (and make them optimally small) than it is on text files, since you can't rely on there being newlines in a non-text file.
Why do the newlines matter?
Maybe it'll have the side effect of someone loooking at it, also.
Then I think you'll have to choose a different artist.
Ahhh come on, he could probably get somebody to look at it. Listen to it though...that's another story