,i>The dems gained seats in the legislature entirely by talking about how people should be afraid of the other party being in control.
Bullshit you lying fuck.
The people were rightly afraid of the other party due to their criminal treasonous actions. So please pull your lying head out of your ass and shut the fuck up if you can't tell the difference between the truth and a lie so idiotic that a child could see through it.
The republicans got voted out because they made far and away the most corrupt Congress in our history, because they are running fucking death camps. Get that through your ignorant head fuckhole. Death camps where *innocent* people are being tortured and murdered with no recourse to the law. And any one of us could be sent there at the whim of a fool.
We're in a war based solely upon *lies* told with malice aforethought due to the sickeningly subhuman Republican scum.
They were voted out for crimes, cowardice, and treason.
Of course, being a good little Bush cock gobbler, none of that could possibly be true it must be all "Teh Eval Demoncrats". Taking responsibility for their actions is like kryptonite to you cowardly treasonous shitbags.
Unfortunately the populace of the US has been so emmasculated in the past 50 years or so that when some wacko actually pulls off an attack (of any kind) those people, typically, with more liberal views start crying "Someone should have done something to prevent this".
Fuck off you asshatted lying delusional fuck.
You might notice that the douchebags crying like little bitches about the terrorists while pissing yellow down their legs and shredding the constitution as fast as they can are the fucking extremist Republicans.
In fact, it doesn't mention (George W.) Bush... because he wasn't even elected yet when this report came out!
Hence the "prior to the election" statement *I* made.
Feel free to point out the page number and paragraph that claims Bush wanted to invade Iraq and was signed by George W. Bush (which would be 'absolute certainty') and also claims that Bush knew (by a staggering 100%) that the American people would not go along with it.
Just search for "Pearl Harbor".
Then read the list of signatories. Sure, Shrub isn't on the list, but his dad, his brother, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, and most of the rest of Bush's original administration are on the list. It's pretty clear and simple given the undisputable *fact* that this was their big plan, they got into power and the executed this exact plan.
Oh, wait.... you CANNOT because this document was published before he was president!
Wow, I made that point *twice* and now you just made my point a second time as if it would be a surprise to me. Your reading comprehension sucks shit as was already obvious by the fact that you keep repeating known lies.
Of course, the next thing you're going to tell me is that the WTC was hit by a cruise missile and blow up the by government just so we could invade Iraq.
Ahh, the old "I'm an idiot and have been proven to be so so I'll make up a strawman conspiracy theory and pretend you said it".
I enjoy being derided by someone with an outlandishly hateful sig such as yours.
Perhaps you could explain what exactly is "hateful" about recommending defending your family, nation, and friends from a group of criminal thugs who are running death camps?
Yeah, I didn't think you'd actually have anything to back up your nonsense statement.
I guess I deserve such treatment for posting on slashdot and saying, not that I like George Bush or that I think he did the right thing, but that me might not have had evil intentions. Now THAT was naive of me.
To believe that of *any* politician is very fucking naive. To believe it of one who has *demonstrated* evil intentions so clearly, so many times is beyond naive all the way to extreme self delusion and a tenous grip on reality.
Until you can pull your head far enough out of your ass to realise those simple basic facts, you are an extreme liability to this country and everybody in it. That extreme of clueleness is dangerous and it is the reason that the US is now running death camps in third world shit holes.
For someone so concerned with the U.N., one would think that you would have found Saddam's utter disregard for sanction after sanction after sanction from the U.N. to be a much bigger deal. Saddam ignores U.N. sanctions over and over again, but somehow that is OK
Oh come on, Sparky.
You neo con man nutjobs need to get some new li(n)es. If your argument was at all valid then it would be an argument to invade Israel long before Iraq.
Thanks for playing
Maybe you should get your facts straight. Which leader would you say was in greater defiance of the U.N.? The answer is clear.
Yes, the answer is clear. It sure as shit isn't what you're dishonestly attempting to claim that it is, but it is clear nonetheless.
but the one fact remains that we are there now, and that this bickering does NOTHING to fix that.
And leaving the criminals who started this fiasco in power does EVERYTHING to prevent any possible reasonable solution.
Allowing terrorists to keep their jobs running America rather than throwing their asses into the chair as they have earned is a huge part of the problem. Without fixing that *first* we can't possibly fix the whole thing.
The fact that many of your "facts" are wrong, and that you keep repeating idiotic lies about who thought what when what you're saying is *wrong* does nothing to help your case.
Bullshit. A *lot* of us knew that was a bunch of crap.
He is not (by a long shot) my favorite president either, but that shouldn't matter right now.
Yes, it should matter because it is the single most important fact in the whole shitty situation.
With Bush in power, we have no integrity whatsoever. Until we impeach try and execute him and his entire administration for treason we will continue to have no integrity whatsoever.
This is *his* war made up by him and his cronies and sold with a pack of lies to the American people (the ignorant ones who don't pay much attention to anything. Not all of us by any stretch of the imagination.)
Until that most critical fact is addressed and dealt with meaningfully, it is pointless to talk about other strategies to "win". They will all fail because until we clean our own house, nobody with a single scrap of sense will *ever* trust us again and rightfully so. Only a fool would trust the US as long as we allow those cowardly traitors to not only live, but continue to run the fucking country.
So, what you say "shouldn't matter" does matter. In fact it is the single most important concept in this whole situation.
You can not deal honestly with dishonest nations.
The US is a deeply criminally dishonest nation at this point in time.
Executing Bush and his cabal of ghouls for their acts of terrorism, treason, and murder is the only way we will ever be able to change that fact.
Anything short of that says loud and clear to the whole world that we do not give a fuck about integrity and in fact we despise it.
I've been a hawk since day one, and don't regret that.
You're writing this message form Iraq, then, aren't you?
If not, then kindly shut the fuck up.
If you are willing to send others over to die based on idiotic lies, then you should have been first in line.
Well, if you have any integrity at all. Of course, if you had any integrity at all you would have been regretting your retarded decision for a long time now.
Hard to know it if it wasn't true. There was such a diversity of views presented on it in the media.
Diversity? Sure, all in front of patriotic banners to the tune of martial music. The only "diversity" was which countries were going with us and where we were going in.
The war was sold flat out by *all* of the major US media.
Whether or not they would occasionally have somebody on talking about it being a bad idea is irrelevant to that fact. If the media was *neutral* in that one, then Bush would have been impeached before he ever had a chance to invade.
We're not in possession of new facts now, all of the bullshit and lies were known to be such at the time, but those entirely relevant facts were not presented by the major US media.
By way, profited HOW? This is costing us, not making us money.
Ummm, your "us" above applies to you and I. It doesn't exactly apply to Halliburton, all the weapoin's manufacturers etc. You know, the whole military industrial complex Ike warned us about?
You might notice that all that money you and I are having stolen from us isn't just being thrown away. It's being given to other people who are raking in massive profits due to ther war profiteering.
While I know no one will ever convince you of this clear fact, but the Bush administration did not have this intent. Their intelligence was wrong, and they believed it. They where fooled.
You certainly won't convince me of your idiotic delusional *lie*.
We know with absolute certainty that the Bush administration *planned* to invade Iraq prior to the 2000 election. We know also likewise with 100% certainty that they knew the American public wouldn't go for it. Further we know (these are "facts" unlike your ridiculous lie that merely demonstrates your complete ignorance of the actual writings of the traitors who you are defending.) that they knew it would take an attack on our nation on the order of Pearl Harbor in order to get the American public to go along with it.
Finally, we know (for a fact, again!) that they *planned* on misusing any such attack as a dishonest justification for the invasion of Iraq.
We know all of this *for a fact* because they directly stated this in their own words back in 2000 *prior to the election*.
So now I have proven beyond the shadow of any possible doubt that Bush *lied* about the justification for the Iraq invasion. Further I have proven absolutely that it is *you* rather than the OP who is "brainwashed", since you're the only one repeating idiotic lies that 5 minutes of research would have cleared up for you.
Seriously, if you are so out of touch with reality that you don't know that Bush is a lying sack of shitm, then I desperately hope you do not vote. We need *informed* voters, not ignorant tools like you who will repeat the stupidest lies regardless of how fucking easy it is to track down the truth of the matter.
The perception is that Kerry wouldn't do what was in the USA's best interest.
But that perception was due solely to the Republican lie campaign to promote that perception for which there was never any factual basis whatsoever, which brings us back to the actual reason Bush got reelected: Republican voters are idiots who believe ridiculous nonsense as long as it's wrapped in enough blind ignorant hate.
What I don't get about the whole thing is: why did Bush get re-elected?
Because your average Republican voter is a small minded cowardly idiotic prick who treats reasoned thought as if it were a disease. They support their party rather than their country, and they believe ridiculous hate mongering commercials about how the evil Democrats will come and burn their bibles.
That's how Bush got reelected. By motivating the most hate blinded, ignorant, and delusional members of our society (Seriously, who else could possibly vote for him? He has nothing that would appeal to any other sort of person.)
That, and of course, the fact that throwing out the traitor Bush would have been an admission that they were wrong about Iraq. Obviously they were, but admitting that would involve taking responsibility for their actions which is, as we all know, like Kryptonite to those subhuman murderous thugs.
If, at this point in the game, you are still so incredibly naive as to think that "fixing" anything was ever part of Bush's plan then I doubt you will ever be able to deal with reality in any sort of reasonable manner.
Truly, that is about the most naive and laughable statement I've ever read and that's saying something given the raft of bullshit which is all we've heard from Bush and his supporters for the last 6 years.
There's no way I can convince people like you. Not because you're ignorant or anything, just because you've been so brainwashed by the fucking media that you have absolutely no idea what's actually going on over there. So forget it. Thanks for showing me once again that the propaganda war can be even more important than the ground battles.
You do know that the US media sold this war from the start, right. You do know that the people who are on your side of this argument are the idiots who bought into the media bullshit, right?
I'm an American, and I knew that this would happen from the start, but I sure as hell didn't come to that conclusion through anything on the US media.
It was quite obvious that this is where it would end up since before it even started. The fact that you didn't know it then and you're still in denial of the simple basic facts of the situation demonstrate quite absolutely that you are the one who has fallen for the media bullshit campaign.
Take a country that's not really a country, rather conflicting races and religions only held together by a strongman and remove that strongman.
Wow, what do you get? That's right, Sparky, a power vacuum with 3 conflicting groups all trying to grab the top slot.
That isn't really that complicated. In fact, it's a really fucking simple concept that was put forward a long time ago.
Now the fact that you missed something so simple and are in deep denial over the basic facts shows how out of touch with reality you are.
We'd probably be willing to admit that the war was a big mistake (I was against it from the start, as my journals here can testify) if the anti-American left weren't about to astroturf about it the moment we admitted it.
Wow, what a complete moonbat you are.
So the right wing traitors who made up a bunch of lies in order to start this idiotic war are continuing to lie because the truth will make them look bad (and of course lead to their executions for treason).
Due to this fact, your claim is that the people who actually did stand up to defend this nation are "anti-American".
Your bullshit is falling apart fast, Sparky. Trying to slip that little number through just shows how desperate nad delusional you really are.
30% of the public is never going to admit that it isn't working because 30% of the public doesn't want to embolden a bunch of traitorous scumbags.
And again all you demonstrate is you complete lack of contact with reality.
Continuing the lies is the only thing emboldening the treasonous scumbags like Bush Cheney, and everyone who ever supported them.
You coming to the delusional and wholely contradictory conclusion that supporting traitors is the only way to not support traitors shows how truly dizzying your intellect is.
But I don't think anyone could have predicted what a fascist douchebag he would turn out to be.
If that were true then there wouldn't have been so fucking many people predicting *exactly* that, now would there?
They stated flat out before the election that they planned on invading Iraq and they knew damn well that they wouldn't have support for it so it would be necessary to use an attack on the US as an excuse to do so. This was in a policy paper that came out in 2000 before the election.
Obviously once they plan on misusing an attack on our country they're going to have to be fascists since otherwise they get thrown in fucking prison and executed.
These aren't difficult things to think through. All you would have had to do back then to know what would happen if Bush were elected was simply to *read the fucking policy papers put out by the administration*.
So your idiotic lie stands proven for what it is.
Anybody with a scrap of integrity predicted what would happen and did it easilly. You really shouldn't be wasting your time making excuses for people too lazy to spend 5 minutes researching before voting for the president of the United States. You should be figuring out how easy it was to predict the current situation and figuring out how you can do it next time. So you don't make the same fucking mistake.
A fine example of tolerance and civility you are. Let's kill anyone that differs from our view point.
What a completely ridiculous statement.
When and where have I ever suggested killing anybody for disagreeing with me? That's right! I didn't!
Promoting killing people who are sending innocent people to be tortured and murdered in third world death camps is known as "self defense". It's in response to direct *actions* by a group of people who have declared war on our constitution, on integrity, and on every founding principle of this nation.
You are welcome to think whatever nonsense you like to. When your *actions* send innocent people to death camps then it's an entirely different thing than a "differing viewpoint", now isn't it?"
Yeah, I thought so.
Now that was pretty simple and obvious, so the question is why couldn't you figure that out for yourself. Why'd you have to go for an interpretation that doesn't even match up to reality in any way?
Yes, I screwed up a bit and voted for the wrong guy back in 2000.
"a bit" Good lord, your ability to shirk responsibility for your own actions is amazing.
*You* sent innocent people to death camps to be tortured and murdered on the whim of an idiotic traitor. *You* actively supported making up lies as an excuse to invade a country which has left hundreds of thousands of people dead.
You could have taken 5 minutes out of your day to learn enough to avoid making such an idiotic decision, but you didn't and so here we are and to you that's "a bit" of a mistake.
Hell, by your standards, I could break into your house, tie up you and your whole family, rape them, pets and all, and torch the place leaving you all to burn and I would only have committed a minor faux pas
You should really try to get a sense of perspective and take a little responsibility for yourself.
. At the moment this country has gone way way to the right and things are getting bad. Fortunately we just made some changes and the left will be slightly more powerful and will start to swing things back.
"Getting bad"
We are running death camps. That's a little beyond "getting".
If you honestly believe the Democrats will save the day here, then you're even more foolish than you've already proven yourself to be. If there were more people like me, then they'd be forced to. As there are so many people like you who have proven yourself to be trivially easy to dupe using moronically simple tactics and further to fight tooth and nail against even dealing with their mistake honestly once it's fucking obvious, they will pull the same old shit and you will, once again, fall for the same shit since you have proven that you haven't learned a god damned thing from it.
So my reason for voting for bush was the party he was part of, what I didn't see coming was the republicans gaining too much power.
Yeah, that was tough to predict.
They both have their flaws so I'm not going to go quite as far as you seem to have and claim one is perfect and the other shouldn't exist.
Now point me to where I said anything that a reasonable person could translate as that?
I'm waiting.... Oh yeah, I didn't.
Both parties suck. I've sure as shit never claimed that the Democrats are perfect. Hell, they aren't even good.
That is irrelevant to the fact that the Republicans are worse by any reasonable metric.
It is also entirely irrelevant to the fact that the plan for the invasion of Iraq using an attack on America was far and away the biggest agenda item for the Bushies and whether or not you give enough of a shit to pay any attention it was the only major agenda item they had.
So voting for what was quite obviously *even at the time* the worse of two evils isn't a good excuse for anything.
Being rude and mean only makes the other side defensive and more likely to disagree with you simply because they don't like you.
Look, I'm not suffering from any delusion that I'll be able to convince you of anything. Were you willing to listen to reason and deal with the consequences of your actions, we wouldn't be having this discussion since you already would have done so in the first place and we wouldn't be in this situation.
You will disagree with me regardless, since agreeing with me would mean that you would have to take responsibility for your actions and there is no way in hell you'll do that.
You are an active accessory to mass murder and torture and the looting of America Had you and those like you done your fucking job as a citizen then we would not be in this situation. You failed badly at the simple task of realising what Bush and his cronies were up to, and your support is *directly* responsible for the death camps we have set up in third world shit holes.
So I laugh at your accusations of "rudeness" for 2 reasons.
1) Courtesy would make no difference to a person willing to s
The truth of the matter is that this is a program used to keep tabs on terrorist suspects abroad and their contacts in the United States. It's important and necessary as one of the weaknesses of any terrorist organization is thier communication link.
If that's the truth of the matter then prove it.
Oh right, you can't can you? You, in fact, have no sane reason whatsoever to believe that ridiculous nonsense, do you?
In fact, all you have done is repeat a proven lie by Bush, who has lied about damn near everything he's said.
So, no matter how many times you repeat the same ignorant lies after people have already posted the links *proving* you to be a liar, there are still people who pay attention. There are still people who actually like the idea of a free country and will stand up against idiotic liars like yourself whose cowardly bootlicking of known traitors demonstrates clearly their complete lack of character and their utter contempt for their fellow human beings.
So, nice try, Sparky, but a lie repeated over and over again is still a lie.
And you are still a liar. An extremely ignorant one too as several people have already linked to the *proof* that you're a fucking liar.
The next two years will be a reprisal of the inept, ill conceived and utterly useless Iran Contra Hearings.
Those were hardly useless.
They proved beyond any possibility of a doubt that the US government will willfully and with malice aforethought engage in treasonous activities in support of terrorists. The fact that so few Americans will actually learn from this sort of blatantly obvious in your face proof that we get stuck with the same fucking traitors in a new administration. Hell the fact that Reagan and his entire administration aren't *still* in prison or dead for those crimes is whatemboldened the same fuckers to go that much farther this time.
So they weren't useless. It's just that the knowledge gained from them isn't being used in any sort of a positive manner.
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,i>The dems gained seats in the legislature entirely by talking about how people should be afraid of the other party being in control.
Bullshit you lying fuck.
The people were rightly afraid of the other party due to their criminal treasonous actions.
So please pull your lying head out of your ass and shut the fuck up if you can't tell the difference between the truth and a lie so idiotic that a child could see through it.
The republicans got voted out because they made far and away the most corrupt Congress in our history, because they are running fucking death camps. Get that through your ignorant head fuckhole.
Death camps where *innocent* people are being tortured and murdered with no recourse to the law. And any one of us could be sent there at the whim of a fool.
We're in a war based solely upon *lies* told with malice aforethought due to the sickeningly subhuman Republican scum.
They were voted out for crimes, cowardice, and treason.
Of course, being a good little Bush cock gobbler, none of that could possibly be true it must be all "Teh Eval Demoncrats".
Taking responsibility for their actions is like kryptonite to you cowardly treasonous shitbags.
Go kill yourself you fucking lying sack of shit.
Unfortunately the populace of the US has been so emmasculated in the past 50 years or so that when some wacko actually pulls off an attack (of any kind) those people, typically, with more liberal views start crying "Someone should have done something to prevent this".
Fuck off you asshatted lying delusional fuck.
You might notice that the douchebags crying like little bitches about the terrorists while pissing yellow down their legs and shredding the constitution as fast as they can are the fucking extremist Republicans.
What a scumbag douche you are.
You Orwellian doublethinking coward.
There's certainly nothing to indicate that he is a neoconservative.
He's selling their bullshit bill of goods, so he's an ardent supporter of the neocons regardless.
Would you like a lengthy list of the media that did not "sell" the war?
Major US media?
Sure, go for it.
This'll be rich.
You defeated yourself with your own intelligence.
The hell I did.
Try rereading my post.
In fact, it doesn't mention (George W.) Bush... because he wasn't even elected yet when this report came out!
Hence the "prior to the election" statement *I* made.
Feel free to point out the page number and paragraph that claims Bush wanted to invade Iraq and was signed by George W. Bush (which would be 'absolute certainty') and also claims that Bush knew (by a staggering 100%) that the American people would not go along with it.
Just search for "Pearl Harbor".
Then read the list of signatories.
Sure, Shrub isn't on the list, but his dad, his brother, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, and most of the rest of Bush's original administration are on the list. It's pretty clear and simple given the undisputable *fact* that this was their big plan, they got into power and the executed this exact plan.
Oh, wait.... you CANNOT because this document was published before he was president!
Wow, I made that point *twice* and now you just made my point a second time as if it would be a surprise to me.
Your reading comprehension sucks shit as was already obvious by the fact that you keep repeating known lies.
Of course, the next thing you're going to tell me is that the WTC was hit by a cruise missile and blow up the by government just so we could invade Iraq.
Ahh, the old "I'm an idiot and have been proven to be so so I'll make up a strawman conspiracy theory and pretend you said it".
Bravo, little troll. Way to be a disgrace.
I enjoy being derided by someone with an outlandishly hateful sig such as yours.
Perhaps you could explain what exactly is "hateful" about recommending defending your family, nation, and friends from a group of criminal thugs who are running death camps?
Yeah,
I didn't think you'd actually have anything to back up your nonsense statement.
I guess I deserve such treatment for posting on slashdot and saying, not that I like George Bush or that I think he did the right thing, but that me might not have had evil intentions. Now THAT was naive of me.
To believe that of *any* politician is very fucking naive.
To believe it of one who has *demonstrated* evil intentions so clearly, so many times is beyond naive all the way to extreme self delusion and a tenous grip on reality.
Until you can pull your head far enough out of your ass to realise those simple basic facts, you are an extreme liability to this country and everybody in it.
That extreme of clueleness is dangerous and it is the reason that the US is now running death camps in third world shit holes.
I'm glad we have most all the guns.
"We", presumably being you and yours?
By "We" do you mean cowards, traitors, or fools?
For someone so concerned with the U.N., one would think that you would have found Saddam's utter disregard for sanction after sanction after sanction from the U.N. to be a much bigger deal. Saddam ignores U.N. sanctions over and over again, but somehow that is OK
Oh come on, Sparky.
You neo con man nutjobs need to get some new li(n)es.
If your argument was at all valid then it would be an argument to invade Israel long before Iraq.
Thanks for playing
Maybe you should get your facts straight. Which leader would you say was in greater defiance of the U.N.? The answer is clear.
Yes, the answer is clear. It sure as shit isn't what you're dishonestly attempting to claim that it is, but it is clear nonetheless.
but the one fact remains that we are there now, and that this bickering does NOTHING to fix that.
And leaving the criminals who started this fiasco in power does EVERYTHING to prevent any possible reasonable solution.
Allowing terrorists to keep their jobs running America rather than throwing their asses into the chair as they have earned is a huge part of the problem. Without fixing that *first* we can't possibly fix the whole thing.
The fact that many of your "facts" are wrong, and that you keep repeating idiotic lies about who thought what when what you're saying is *wrong* does nothing to help your case.
2) We all thought there were WMDs
Bullshit. A *lot* of us knew that was a bunch of crap.
He is not (by a long shot) my favorite president either, but that shouldn't matter right now.
Yes, it should matter because it is the single most important fact in the whole shitty situation.
With Bush in power, we have no integrity whatsoever.
Until we impeach try and execute him and his entire administration for treason we will continue to have no integrity whatsoever.
This is *his* war made up by him and his cronies and sold with a pack of lies to the American people (the ignorant ones who don't pay much attention to anything. Not all of us by any stretch of the imagination.)
Until that most critical fact is addressed and dealt with meaningfully, it is pointless to talk about other strategies to "win".
They will all fail because until we clean our own house, nobody with a single scrap of sense will *ever* trust us again and rightfully so.
Only a fool would trust the US as long as we allow those cowardly traitors to not only live, but continue to run the fucking country.
So, what you say "shouldn't matter" does matter.
In fact it is the single most important concept in this whole situation.
You can not deal honestly with dishonest nations.
The US is a deeply criminally dishonest nation at this point in time.
Executing Bush and his cabal of ghouls for their acts of terrorism, treason, and murder is the only way we will ever be able to change that fact.
Anything short of that says loud and clear to the whole world that we do not give a fuck about integrity and in fact we despise it.
I've been a hawk since day one, and don't regret that.
You're writing this message form Iraq, then, aren't you?
If not, then kindly shut the fuck up.
If you are willing to send others over to die based on idiotic lies, then you should have been first in line.
Well, if you have any integrity at all.
Of course, if you had any integrity at all you would have been regretting your retarded decision for a long time now.
Hard to know it if it wasn't true. There was such a diversity of views presented on it in the media.
Diversity? Sure, all in front of patriotic banners to the tune of martial music.
The only "diversity" was which countries were going with us and where we were going in.
The war was sold flat out by *all* of the major US media.
Whether or not they would occasionally have somebody on talking about it being a bad idea is irrelevant to that fact.
If the media was *neutral* in that one, then Bush would have been impeached before he ever had a chance to invade.
We're not in possession of new facts now, all of the bullshit and lies were known to be such at the time, but those entirely relevant facts were not presented by the major US media.
By way, profited HOW? This is costing us, not making us money.
Ummm, your "us" above applies to you and I.
It doesn't exactly apply to Halliburton, all the weapoin's manufacturers etc. You know, the whole military industrial complex Ike warned us about?
You might notice that all that money you and I are having stolen from us isn't just being thrown away. It's being given to other people who are raking in massive profits due to ther war profiteering.
While I know no one will ever convince you of this clear fact, but the Bush administration did not have this intent. Their intelligence was wrong, and they believed it. They where fooled.
You certainly won't convince me of your idiotic delusional *lie*.
We know with absolute certainty that the Bush administration *planned* to invade Iraq prior to the 2000 election.
We know also likewise with 100% certainty that they knew the American public wouldn't go for it.
Further we know (these are "facts" unlike your ridiculous lie that merely demonstrates your complete ignorance of the actual writings of the traitors who you are defending.) that they knew it would take an attack on our nation on the order of Pearl Harbor in order to get the American public to go along with it.
Finally, we know (for a fact, again!) that they *planned* on misusing any such attack as a dishonest justification for the invasion of Iraq.
We know all of this *for a fact* because they directly stated this in their own words back in 2000 *prior to the election*.
Go, little lying troll and read it in their own words right , you ignorant lying troll.
So now I have proven beyond the shadow of any possible doubt that Bush *lied* about the justification for the Iraq invasion.
Further I have proven absolutely that it is *you* rather than the OP who is "brainwashed", since you're the only one repeating idiotic lies that 5 minutes of research would have cleared up for you.
Seriously, if you are so out of touch with reality that you don't know that Bush is a lying sack of shitm, then I desperately hope you do not vote.
We need *informed* voters, not ignorant tools like you who will repeat the stupidest lies regardless of how fucking easy it is to track down the truth of the matter.
The perception is that Kerry wouldn't do what was in the USA's best interest.
But that perception was due solely to the Republican lie campaign to promote that perception for which there was never any factual basis whatsoever, which brings us back to the actual reason Bush got reelected:
Republican voters are idiots who believe ridiculous nonsense as long as it's wrapped in enough blind ignorant hate.
What I don't get about the whole thing is: why did Bush get re-elected?
Because your average Republican voter is a small minded cowardly idiotic prick who treats reasoned thought as if it were a disease.
They support their party rather than their country, and they believe ridiculous hate mongering commercials about how the evil Democrats will come and burn their bibles.
That's how Bush got reelected. By motivating the most hate blinded, ignorant, and delusional members of our society (Seriously, who else could possibly vote for him? He has nothing that would appeal to any other sort of person.)
That, and of course, the fact that throwing out the traitor Bush would have been an admission that they were wrong about Iraq. Obviously they were, but admitting that would involve taking responsibility for their actions which is, as we all know, like Kryptonite to those subhuman murderous thugs.
Bush tried, and failed, to fix it.
If, at this point in the game, you are still so incredibly naive as to think that "fixing" anything was ever part of Bush's plan then I doubt you will ever be able to deal with reality in any sort of reasonable manner.
Truly, that is about the most naive and laughable statement I've ever read and that's saying something given the raft of bullshit which is all we've heard from Bush and his supporters for the last 6 years.
There's no way I can convince people like you. Not because you're ignorant or anything, just because you've been so brainwashed by the fucking media that you have absolutely no idea what's actually going on over there. So forget it. Thanks for showing me once again that the propaganda war can be even more important than the ground battles.
You do know that the US media sold this war from the start, right.
You do know that the people who are on your side of this argument are the idiots who bought into the media bullshit, right?
I'm an American, and I knew that this would happen from the start, but I sure as hell didn't come to that conclusion through anything on the US media.
It was quite obvious that this is where it would end up since before it even started.
The fact that you didn't know it then and you're still in denial of the simple basic facts of the situation demonstrate quite absolutely that you are the one who has fallen for the media bullshit campaign.
Take a country that's not really a country, rather conflicting races and religions only held together by a strongman and remove that strongman.
Wow, what do you get?
That's right, Sparky, a power vacuum with 3 conflicting groups all trying to grab the top slot.
That isn't really that complicated. In fact, it's a really fucking simple concept that was put forward a long time ago.
Now the fact that you missed something so simple and are in deep denial over the basic facts shows how out of touch with reality you are.
We'd probably be willing to admit that the war was a big mistake (I was against it from the start, as my journals here can testify) if the anti-American left weren't about to astroturf about it the moment we admitted it.
Wow, what a complete moonbat you are.
So the right wing traitors who made up a bunch of lies in order to start this idiotic war are continuing to lie because the truth will make them look bad (and of course lead to their executions for treason).
Due to this fact, your claim is that the people who actually did stand up to defend this nation are "anti-American".
Your bullshit is falling apart fast, Sparky. Trying to slip that little number through just shows how desperate nad delusional you really are.
30% of the public is never going to admit that it isn't working because 30% of the public doesn't want to embolden a bunch of traitorous scumbags.
And again all you demonstrate is you complete lack of contact with reality.
Continuing the lies is the only thing emboldening the treasonous scumbags like Bush Cheney, and everyone who ever supported them.
You coming to the delusional and wholely contradictory conclusion that supporting traitors is the only way to not support traitors shows how truly dizzying your intellect is.
But I don't think anyone could have predicted what a fascist douchebag he would turn out to be.
If that were true then there wouldn't have been so fucking many people predicting *exactly* that, now would there?
They stated flat out before the election that they planned on invading Iraq and they knew damn well that they wouldn't have support for it so it would be necessary to use an attack on the US as an excuse to do so.
This was in a policy paper that came out in 2000 before the election.
Obviously once they plan on misusing an attack on our country they're going to have to be fascists since otherwise they get thrown in fucking prison and executed.
These aren't difficult things to think through. All you would have had to do back then to know what would happen if Bush were elected was simply to *read the fucking policy papers put out by the administration*.
So your idiotic lie stands proven for what it is.
Anybody with a scrap of integrity predicted what would happen and did it easilly.
You really shouldn't be wasting your time making excuses for people too lazy to spend 5 minutes researching before voting for the president of the United States. You should be figuring out how easy it was to predict the current situation and figuring out how you can do it next time. So you don't make the same fucking mistake.
You got issues.. unless this is just a joke and I'm being gullible..
Expecting you to take responsibility for *your* actions is a joke indicating that *I* have issues?!?
That's rich.
"Be a patriot: Murder a Republican"
A fine example of tolerance and civility you are. Let's kill anyone that differs from our view point.
What a completely ridiculous statement.
When and where have I ever suggested killing anybody for disagreeing with me?
That's right! I didn't!
Promoting killing people who are sending innocent people to be tortured and murdered in third world death camps is known as "self defense". It's in response to direct *actions* by a group of people who have declared war on our constitution, on integrity, and on every founding principle of this nation.
You are welcome to think whatever nonsense you like to.
When your *actions* send innocent people to death camps then it's an entirely different thing than a "differing viewpoint", now isn't it?"
Yeah, I thought so.
Now that was pretty simple and obvious, so the question is why couldn't you figure that out for yourself.
Why'd you have to go for an interpretation that doesn't even match up to reality in any way?
Yes, I screwed up a bit and voted for the wrong guy back in 2000.
"a bit" Good lord, your ability to shirk responsibility for your own actions is amazing.
*You* sent innocent people to death camps to be tortured and murdered on the whim of an idiotic traitor.
*You* actively supported making up lies as an excuse to invade a country which has left hundreds of thousands of people dead.
You could have taken 5 minutes out of your day to learn enough to avoid making such an idiotic decision, but you didn't and so here we are and to you that's "a bit" of a mistake.
Hell, by your standards, I could break into your house, tie up you and your whole family, rape them, pets and all, and torch the place leaving you all to burn and I would only have committed a minor faux pas
You should really try to get a sense of perspective and take a little responsibility for yourself.
. At the moment this country has gone way way to the right and things are getting bad. Fortunately we just made some changes and the left will be slightly more powerful and will start to swing things back.
"Getting bad"
We are running death camps. That's a little beyond "getting".
If you honestly believe the Democrats will save the day here, then you're even more foolish than you've already proven yourself to be. If there were more people like me, then they'd be forced to. As there are so many people like you who have proven yourself to be trivially easy to dupe using moronically simple tactics and further to fight tooth and nail against even dealing with their mistake honestly once it's fucking obvious, they will pull the same old shit and you will, once again, fall for the same shit since you have proven that you haven't learned a god damned thing from it.
So my reason for voting for bush was the party he was part of, what I didn't see coming was the republicans gaining too much power.
Yeah, that was tough to predict.
They both have their flaws so I'm not going to go quite as far as you seem to have and claim one is perfect and the other shouldn't exist.
Now point me to where I said anything that a reasonable person could translate as that?
I'm waiting....
Oh yeah, I didn't.
Both parties suck. I've sure as shit never claimed that the Democrats are perfect.
Hell, they aren't even good.
That is irrelevant to the fact that the Republicans are worse by any reasonable metric.
It is also entirely irrelevant to the fact that the plan for the invasion of Iraq using an attack on America was far and away the biggest agenda item for the Bushies and whether or not you give enough of a shit to pay any attention it was the only major agenda item they had.
So voting for what was quite obviously *even at the time* the worse of two evils isn't a good excuse for anything.
Being rude and mean only makes the other side defensive and more likely to disagree with you simply because they don't like you.
Look, I'm not suffering from any delusion that I'll be able to convince you of anything.
Were you willing to listen to reason and deal with the consequences of your actions, we wouldn't be having this discussion since you already would have done so in the first place and we wouldn't be in this situation.
You will disagree with me regardless, since agreeing with me would mean that you would have to take responsibility for your actions and there is no way in hell you'll do that.
You are an active accessory to mass murder and torture and the looting of America
Had you and those like you done your fucking job as a citizen then we would not be in this situation.
You failed badly at the simple task of realising what Bush and his cronies were up to, and your support is *directly* responsible for the death camps we have set up in third world shit holes.
So I laugh at your accusations of "rudeness" for 2 reasons.
1) Courtesy would make no difference to a person willing to s
The truth of the matter is that this is a program used to keep tabs on terrorist suspects abroad and their contacts in the United States. It's important and necessary as one of the weaknesses of any terrorist organization is thier communication link.
If that's the truth of the matter then prove it.
Oh right, you can't can you? You, in fact, have no sane reason whatsoever to believe that ridiculous nonsense, do you?
In fact, all you have done is repeat a proven lie by Bush, who has lied about damn near everything he's said.
So, no matter how many times you repeat the same ignorant lies after people have already posted the links *proving* you to be a liar, there are still people who pay attention. There are still people who actually like the idea of a free country and will stand up against idiotic liars like yourself whose cowardly bootlicking of known traitors demonstrates clearly their complete lack of character and their utter contempt for their fellow human beings.
So, nice try, Sparky, but a lie repeated over and over again is still a lie.
And you are still a liar.
An extremely ignorant one too as several people have already linked to the *proof* that you're a fucking liar.
The next two years will be a reprisal of the inept, ill conceived and utterly useless Iran Contra Hearings.
Those were hardly useless.
They proved beyond any possibility of a doubt that the US government will willfully and with malice aforethought engage in treasonous activities in support of terrorists. The fact that so few Americans will actually learn from this sort of blatantly obvious in your face proof that we get stuck with the same fucking traitors in a new administration.
Hell the fact that Reagan and his entire administration aren't *still* in prison or dead for those crimes is whatemboldened the same fuckers to go that much farther this time.
So they weren't useless.
It's just that the knowledge gained from them isn't being used in any sort of a positive manner.