Ha Ha, A professor from Melbourne University 'invented' if you like the.com.au domain space, he wanted to give these domain names away for free, A government organisation was put in place AUNIC, and the.com.au domain space went to tender. Melbourne IT won the tender. The only affiliation between Melbourne Uni and Melbourne IT is the word 'Melbourne', I wonder where they are in Australia?
Hey A,
Thanks for clarifying
I apologise you are right,
"Once you have entered into the Agreement, the transfer will take place within five (5) calendar days unless the current registrar of record denies the request."
So why wouldn't the ISP in question deny the request? I still think people are blaming the wrong parties for this 'Travesty'.
STANDARDIZED FORM OF AUTHORIZATION
DOMAIN NAME TRANSFER - Initial Authorization for Registrar Transfer
An English version of this message is contained below.
ENGLISH VERSION
Attention:
Re: Transfer of
[OPTIONAL text: The current registrar of record for this domain name is.]
has received a request from
[OPTIONAL text:] via
[END OPTIONAL TEXT]
on for us to become the new registrar of record.
You have received this message because you are listed as the Registered Name Holder or Administrative contact for this domain name in the WHOIS database.
Please read the following important information about transferring your domain name:
You must agree to enter into a new Registration Agreement with us. You can review the full terms and conditions of the Agreement at
Once you have entered into the Agreement, the transfer will take place within five (5) calendar days unless the current registrar of record denies the request.
Once a transfer takes place, you will not be able to transfer to another registrar for 60 days, apart from a transfer back to the original registrar,in cases where both registrars so agree or where a decision in the dispute resolution process so directs.
If you WISH TO PROCEED with the transfer, you must respond to this message via one of the following methods (note if you do not respond by , will not be transferred to us.).
[NOTE: a registrar can choose to include one or more of the following in the message sent to the Registered Name Holder or Admin contact, and additional processes may be added with ICANN approval. The order in which options are presented is a decision for each registrar. Further,in addition to the options below, the registrar may choose to request the "Auth-Info" code from the Registered Name Holder or Administrative Contact]
[option 1] please email us with the following message:
"I confirm that I have read the Domain Name Transfer - Request for Confirmation Message.
I confirm that I wish to proceed with the transfer of from."
[option 2] please go to our website, to confirm.
[Note: website to contain text as above, with the option to confirm or deny the transfer]
[option 3] please print out a copy of this message and send a signed copy to
If you DO NOT WANT the transfer to proceed, then don't respond to this message.
If you have any questions about this process, please contact .
Ha Ha definately if we lived in a perfect world Auril, where Customer Service, mean't 'customer service' but how many companies that you know that put the customer 'first', geez we would make no money....LOL
Have you ever worked for a company that could just do what you wanted, look at every company you have ever dealt with, terms and conditions, policies, procedures. They have to be followed or things go wrong....
For example a domain being hijacked, it would never happen if people followed procedure....locking a domain name...registrars have very little to do with a transfer, blaming either DOTSTER or MELBOURNE IT is just a joke. basically some Preostoric ISP company, turned out to not manage their systems/domains properly, never locked their domain name, probably have spam filters on high, missed the email to reject the transfer and (trumpet blowing) look what happens, so they get on the phone, find their is a procedure to follow, spill some milk, cry some more, spill some more milk, then are not happy with the results, so do a post. geez these stories are all the same and very tiring. The moral is people need to take responsibility for their actions, (or lack of).
Although I agree with you 100% that Melbourne IT should be 24/7 I mentioned that when I got a hosting account, and I got a reply back to say that they are in the process of becoming 24/7. I have personally never had a company even bother to notify a client of changes in the future, so what can I say they have my vote. Hopefully once the true story comes out we can see how it happened. I am certainly confident of the result coz I am seen it all before.
Ha Ha,
So what your telling me is you buy moldy bread from a grocerys tore, get sick and then tell everyone to stop going to the store and stop going to the baker who made it fresh?
Sounds like you had a bad experience with Yahoo?
I have used about 1/2 a dozen registrars around the world, and choose Melbourne IT for their service, and reliability. I don't even live in Australia, I live in the UK. I email all the time with queries and get responses usually within 72 hours. I have learn't to know enough about the industry to ask the right questions. Being ignorant in any area of your business is not a good thing.
Time for a buttered scone and a pot of tea.
Cherio Lads
Totally over being Fully Sick.
Ha Ha Dotster as the losing registrar, need to authorise the transfer away with the current owner, it's a standardised email issued by ICANN with a link that needs to be accepted by the registrant. Wow hasn't anyone transferred a licence before, or do we just take what we are told for granted?
Hey John,
I have close to 50 domain names, with a registrar, and I have learn't definately to know what's going on at all times, because I don't have a company managing my 'Intellectual Property' I have to rely on my own management, and even then I have learn't the hard way. But I have learn't to blame my own ignorance and learn from it rather than point fingers at other people.
Technically it is damn near impossible to 'hijack' a domain name if the proper precautions are taken. e.g.
If you lock your domain names with your current registrar, all transfer aways are refused until the domain name is unlocked with a 'domain password' or 'registry key' Keep this safe and personal and you won't ever have a problem.
Someone else can take your domain name if you don't renew your licence, but even then that is almost difficult, because you have a certain period after the expiry date to renew the licence, e.g. 40 days, and then ICANN introduced a RGP (Redemption Grace Period) which allows the licence to be retrieved by the 'current' owner only 30 extra days after the licence is cancelled. But speaking from experience, the registry charges a huge fee to do this, something like 70.00 USD. Moral, keep your details updated so you are notified of the renewal. (Assuming that your domain registrar is reliable)
The ironic thing is how do I know this?? I happen to be a customer for the same registrar under apparent scrutiny, I find the fact I can call them and they give me accurate information like this a breeze, plus I have so many domains that can be managed under one account, that only I have access to because I keep my password to myself. I wonder how this hijacker who had to have instigated the transfer with the 'Registry Key/Password', managed to do this when the only people who had access to it was the owner and Dotster???
Stay Geeky,
Fully Sick
Hi Aurix,
You make some valid points, but the blame should definately not be put all onto Melbourne IT. I had to lock many of my domain names because of a new transfer policy inforced by ICANN on the 12th of November 2004, which stated pretty much, that once a transfer was initiated, no one was able to stop the transfer. Registrars like Melbourne IT and Dotsters are just pawns for bigger and smaller enemies, aka hijackers and governing bodies. I have all my domain names with Melbourne IT, and was notified by email that the transfer policy was going to be in place, and procedures to ensure my domain names were locked. I am concerned one of the oldest ISP's in America "PANICS" didn't have there domain name locked (only unlocked with a domain name password). I would also question how this hijacker got the 'victims' password to transfer the licence to another registrar? I definately think people should research facts before they blurt out how horrific the whole scenario is. Any one heard of bureaucratic red tape, I am guessing once Melbourne get's past it they will act accordingly to resolve the issue.
Regards,
Fully Seriously Sick!
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Ha Ha, A professor from Melbourne University 'invented' if you like the .com.au domain space, he wanted to give these domain names away for free, A government organisation was put in place AUNIC, and the .com.au domain space went to tender. Melbourne IT won the tender. The only affiliation between Melbourne Uni and Melbourne IT is the word 'Melbourne', I wonder where they are in Australia?
Hey A, Thanks for clarifying I apologise you are right, "Once you have entered into the Agreement, the transfer will take place within five (5) calendar days unless the current registrar of record denies the request." So why wouldn't the ISP in question deny the request? I still think people are blaming the wrong parties for this 'Travesty'. STANDARDIZED FORM OF AUTHORIZATION DOMAIN NAME TRANSFER - Initial Authorization for Registrar Transfer An English version of this message is contained below. ENGLISH VERSION Attention: Re: Transfer of [OPTIONAL text: The current registrar of record for this domain name is .]
has received a request from
[OPTIONAL text:] via
[END OPTIONAL TEXT]
on for us to become the new registrar of record.
You have received this message because you are listed as the Registered Name Holder or Administrative contact for this domain name in the WHOIS database.
Please read the following important information about transferring your domain name:
You must agree to enter into a new Registration Agreement with us. You can review the full terms and conditions of the Agreement at
Once you have entered into the Agreement, the transfer will take place within five (5) calendar days unless the current registrar of record denies the request.
Once a transfer takes place, you will not be able to transfer to another registrar for 60 days, apart from a transfer back to the original registrar,in cases where both registrars so agree or where a decision in the dispute resolution process so directs.
If you WISH TO PROCEED with the transfer, you must respond to this message via one of the following methods (note if you do not respond by , will not be transferred to us.).
[NOTE: a registrar can choose to include one or more of the following in the message sent to the Registered Name Holder or Admin contact, and additional processes may be added with ICANN approval. The order in which options are presented is a decision for each registrar. Further,in addition to the options below, the registrar may choose to request the "Auth-Info" code from the Registered Name Holder or Administrative Contact]
[option 1] please email us with the following message:
"I confirm that I have read the Domain Name Transfer - Request for Confirmation Message.
I confirm that I wish to proceed with the transfer of from ."
[option 2] please go to our website, to confirm.
[Note: website to contain text as above, with the option to confirm or deny the transfer]
[option 3] please print out a copy of this message and send a signed copy to
If you DO NOT WANT the transfer to proceed, then don't respond to this message.
If you have any questions about this process, please contact .
Ha Ha definately if we lived in a perfect world Auril, where Customer Service, mean't 'customer service' but how many companies that you know that put the customer 'first', geez we would make no money....LOL Have you ever worked for a company that could just do what you wanted, look at every company you have ever dealt with, terms and conditions, policies, procedures. They have to be followed or things go wrong.... For example a domain being hijacked, it would never happen if people followed procedure....locking a domain name...registrars have very little to do with a transfer, blaming either DOTSTER or MELBOURNE IT is just a joke. basically some Preostoric ISP company, turned out to not manage their systems/domains properly, never locked their domain name, probably have spam filters on high, missed the email to reject the transfer and (trumpet blowing) look what happens, so they get on the phone, find their is a procedure to follow, spill some milk, cry some more, spill some more milk, then are not happy with the results, so do a post. geez these stories are all the same and very tiring. The moral is people need to take responsibility for their actions, (or lack of). Although I agree with you 100% that Melbourne IT should be 24/7 I mentioned that when I got a hosting account, and I got a reply back to say that they are in the process of becoming 24/7. I have personally never had a company even bother to notify a client of changes in the future, so what can I say they have my vote. Hopefully once the true story comes out we can see how it happened. I am certainly confident of the result coz I am seen it all before.
Dude, you are probably the smartest person on here, thanks for a) knowing and b} enlightening some of the other shot and then point slashdotters!!!
Ha Ha, So what your telling me is you buy moldy bread from a grocerys tore, get sick and then tell everyone to stop going to the store and stop going to the baker who made it fresh? Sounds like you had a bad experience with Yahoo? I have used about 1/2 a dozen registrars around the world, and choose Melbourne IT for their service, and reliability. I don't even live in Australia, I live in the UK. I email all the time with queries and get responses usually within 72 hours. I have learn't to know enough about the industry to ask the right questions. Being ignorant in any area of your business is not a good thing. Time for a buttered scone and a pot of tea. Cherio Lads Totally over being Fully Sick.
Ha Ha Dotster as the losing registrar, need to authorise the transfer away with the current owner, it's a standardised email issued by ICANN with a link that needs to be accepted by the registrant. Wow hasn't anyone transferred a licence before, or do we just take what we are told for granted?
Hey John, I have close to 50 domain names, with a registrar, and I have learn't definately to know what's going on at all times, because I don't have a company managing my 'Intellectual Property' I have to rely on my own management, and even then I have learn't the hard way. But I have learn't to blame my own ignorance and learn from it rather than point fingers at other people. Technically it is damn near impossible to 'hijack' a domain name if the proper precautions are taken. e.g. If you lock your domain names with your current registrar, all transfer aways are refused until the domain name is unlocked with a 'domain password' or 'registry key' Keep this safe and personal and you won't ever have a problem. Someone else can take your domain name if you don't renew your licence, but even then that is almost difficult, because you have a certain period after the expiry date to renew the licence, e.g. 40 days, and then ICANN introduced a RGP (Redemption Grace Period) which allows the licence to be retrieved by the 'current' owner only 30 extra days after the licence is cancelled. But speaking from experience, the registry charges a huge fee to do this, something like 70.00 USD. Moral, keep your details updated so you are notified of the renewal. (Assuming that your domain registrar is reliable) The ironic thing is how do I know this?? I happen to be a customer for the same registrar under apparent scrutiny, I find the fact I can call them and they give me accurate information like this a breeze, plus I have so many domains that can be managed under one account, that only I have access to because I keep my password to myself. I wonder how this hijacker who had to have instigated the transfer with the 'Registry Key/Password', managed to do this when the only people who had access to it was the owner and Dotster??? Stay Geeky, Fully Sick
Hi Aurix, You make some valid points, but the blame should definately not be put all onto Melbourne IT. I had to lock many of my domain names because of a new transfer policy inforced by ICANN on the 12th of November 2004, which stated pretty much, that once a transfer was initiated, no one was able to stop the transfer. Registrars like Melbourne IT and Dotsters are just pawns for bigger and smaller enemies, aka hijackers and governing bodies. I have all my domain names with Melbourne IT, and was notified by email that the transfer policy was going to be in place, and procedures to ensure my domain names were locked. I am concerned one of the oldest ISP's in America "PANICS" didn't have there domain name locked (only unlocked with a domain name password). I would also question how this hijacker got the 'victims' password to transfer the licence to another registrar? I definately think people should research facts before they blurt out how horrific the whole scenario is. Any one heard of bureaucratic red tape, I am guessing once Melbourne get's past it they will act accordingly to resolve the issue. Regards, Fully Seriously Sick!