the company currently known as at&t consists of all the baby bells that don't already belong to Verizon
Ah, well that's also not really true. Centurylink, Frontier, TDS, Windstream, Sprint, and others I'm probably forgetting are all still out there running ILEC markets. Not that I disagree with your conclusion, from a wholesale perspective I can assure you AT&T is even more disfunctional and apathetic than they are at the retail level.
AT&T didn't buy up baby bells. SBC bought up other baby bells and then also bought what was left of AT&T and took the name over. AT&T itself was withering away after the breakup. Both Verizon and what is now AT&T have their origins in local carriers, not long distance. Anyway, they're not evil. They're just fat and lazy and that makes everything more expensive for them as well.
Thanks for actually posting an intelligent comment. Everytime there's a story that involves technology I work with I realize how ignorant most of Slashdot really is. The API I think is the key observation. Forget websites though, that's chump change. SDN is actually really interesting for my industry, long haul fiber networks. Today we have multiple layers of equipment, the physical fiber plant, the DWDM layer, the OTN layer, the Sonet or Packet transport layer, the IP/MPLS layer. Today those layers don't talk to each other so all the configurations are manual and static. The hope is that SDN succeeds where GMPLS has sort of stalled. GMPLS is really only used in some proprietary network implementations, and not as an interface between different vendor equipment as it was envisioned.
100gig? I don't even know, those are the "call us for pricing" kinds of switches
I shouldn't give exact figures but I'm pretty familiar with 100Gig pricing. Let's just say, 100Gig short range optic = new motorcycle. 100Gig intermediate reach optic = new car. 100Gig DWDM optic = new luxury car.
Yes it exists, we are already deploying it across the network I work on. The technology you need for long haul 100G is 'Coherent' optics using advanced modulation such as DP-QPSK instead of the old on-off keying used by 10Gig and below. See here for a good example data sheet. http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/optical/ps5724/ps2006/data_sheet_c78-713298.html
If competitive carriers like CenturyLink had access to facilities
Centurylink is an Incumbent (ILEC), not a Competitive carrier (CLEC). They have CLEC business units and sales groups for inter-lata Long Distance type deals, such as the one in the article, but DSL, voice, T1s, those are all their bread and butter. And, they're still required to lease voice, T1, T3 and other standard services at standard tariffs. Citation needed on the 2005 thing, CLECs are alive and well and generally making more money than the ILECs.
But, you have the option of buying a phone off newegg or ebay and activating it on a plan with no contract or termination fee. Why WOULDN'T they charge you for the hardware if you haven't paid it off yet?
Yeah, I work for a telco and your T1 price is pretty high. Local loops are going to be half that, or less, I would say around $200 in most areas. You're right about the uptime. Outages beyond a certain size or duration have to be reported to the FCC, and may attract a fine.
I probably shouldn't say who because sometimes I'm a dick. I work for a large telecom company and I do long haul fiber optic network planning. Layer 1 and 2 stuff, mostly servicing wholesale orders from other telecoms and our own internal needs to connect big routers, legacy Sonet networks, or large enterprise customers with serious bandwidth needs. It's pretty safe to say that AT&T, Verizon, Centurylink, Zayo, Time Warner Telecom and any other national level carrier in the US has already been deploying 100G circuits or will be this year.
No problem. Actually I misspoke a bit. I'll probably be moving to 400G OTU5 carrying 4x100GbE payloads at first, and then move to OTU5 carrying one 400GbE payload once router interfaces catch up.
I'm already using 100G, at work at least. I'm expecting to move to 400G (OTU5 on the transport side, carrying a 400GbE payload) within the next 3-5 years. I expect the pessimists are the 'MSIE' types and 'HTML programmers'. This is a real thing that we are really going to need soon.
It would be regulation if the state was telling others how to make their purchasing decisions. The state altering its own purchasing decisions is just good decision making.
How do you know the guy at the farmer's market actually has bees and isn't just selling the cheapest stuff he can find online in fancy bottles? I'll tell you how, with a LASER.
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the company currently known as at&t consists of all the baby bells that don't already belong to Verizon
Ah, well that's also not really true. Centurylink, Frontier, TDS, Windstream, Sprint, and others I'm probably forgetting are all still out there running ILEC markets. Not that I disagree with your conclusion, from a wholesale perspective I can assure you AT&T is even more disfunctional and apathetic than they are at the retail level.
AT&T didn't buy up baby bells. SBC bought up other baby bells and then also bought what was left of AT&T and took the name over. AT&T itself was withering away after the breakup. Both Verizon and what is now AT&T have their origins in local carriers, not long distance. Anyway, they're not evil. They're just fat and lazy and that makes everything more expensive for them as well.
Thanks for actually posting an intelligent comment. Everytime there's a story that involves technology I work with I realize how ignorant most of Slashdot really is.
The API I think is the key observation. Forget websites though, that's chump change.
SDN is actually really interesting for my industry, long haul fiber networks. Today we have multiple layers of equipment, the physical fiber plant, the DWDM layer, the OTN layer, the Sonet or Packet transport layer, the IP/MPLS layer. Today those layers don't talk to each other so all the configurations are manual and static. The hope is that SDN succeeds where GMPLS has sort of stalled. GMPLS is really only used in some proprietary network implementations, and not as an interface between different vendor equipment as it was envisioned.
Also, Infinera's best is currently 160ch x 50gbit/s and has been shipping since last year.
Add up the channels in each direction? That sounds like router marketing math to me.
I'm referring to actual 50ghz spaced systems on the ITU grid which would theoretically allow 100 channels, but everyone skips a few to cut down on NLE.
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/optical/ps5724/ps2006/datasheet_c78-598521.html
http://www.tellabs.com/products/7000/tlab7100nano.pdf
The Infinera is 25ghz spaced, and goes to 160 channels.
http://www.infinera.com/products/ILS.html
100gig? I don't even know, those are the "call us for pricing" kinds of switches
I shouldn't give exact figures but I'm pretty familiar with 100Gig pricing. Let's just say, 100Gig short range optic = new motorcycle. 100Gig intermediate reach optic = new car. 100Gig DWDM optic = new luxury car.
Why stop at 44? Cisco supports 80ch, Tellabs supports 88, Infinera supports 160 channels (of 50Gig each today, 160x100 in a few years).
Yes it exists, we are already deploying it across the network I work on. The technology you need for long haul 100G is 'Coherent' optics using advanced modulation such as DP-QPSK instead of the old on-off keying used by 10Gig and below. See here for a good example data sheet. http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/optical/ps5724/ps2006/data_sheet_c78-713298.html
If competitive carriers like CenturyLink had access to facilities
Centurylink is an Incumbent (ILEC), not a Competitive carrier (CLEC). They have CLEC business units and sales groups for inter-lata Long Distance type deals, such as the one in the article, but DSL, voice, T1s, those are all their bread and butter. And, they're still required to lease voice, T1, T3 and other standard services at standard tariffs. Citation needed on the 2005 thing, CLECs are alive and well and generally making more money than the ILECs.
But, you have the option of buying a phone off newegg or ebay and activating it on a plan with no contract or termination fee. Why WOULDN'T they charge you for the hardware if you haven't paid it off yet?
I used to use 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda1' on every laptop that got decommissioned from the network and donated or sold.
It's not rocket surgery.
Yeah, I work for a telco and your T1 price is pretty high. Local loops are going to be half that, or less, I would say around $200 in most areas.
You're right about the uptime. Outages beyond a certain size or duration have to be reported to the FCC, and may attract a fine.
Or, the non-linear time dilation effects of tequila.
Whoops, speed of light / refractive index, otherwise time travel possible.
Is that a trick question? Speed of light * refractive index of the fiber.
This is for core long haul transport, not your in-laws house.
Looks like a Super Channel implementation. Not really a novel concept for next gen > 100Gigabits per channel DWDM systems.See here for example. http://www.lightwaveonline.com/articles/print/volume-29/issue-2/features/superchannels-to-the-rescue.html
More power to them if they're making good progress, though.
I probably shouldn't say who because sometimes I'm a dick.
I work for a large telecom company and I do long haul fiber optic network planning. Layer 1 and 2 stuff, mostly servicing wholesale orders from other telecoms and our own internal needs to connect big routers, legacy Sonet networks, or large enterprise customers with serious bandwidth needs.
It's pretty safe to say that AT&T, Verizon, Centurylink, Zayo, Time Warner Telecom and any other national level carrier in the US has already been deploying 100G circuits or will be this year.
No problem. Actually I misspoke a bit. I'll probably be moving to 400G OTU5 carrying 4x100GbE payloads at first, and then move to OTU5 carrying one 400GbE payload once router interfaces catch up.
400G is the next step up in the OTN hierarchy, it would be OTU5.
I'm already using 100G, at work at least. I'm expecting to move to 400G (OTU5 on the transport side, carrying a 400GbE payload) within the next 3-5 years.
I expect the pessimists are the 'MSIE' types and 'HTML programmers'. This is a real thing that we are really going to need soon.
Probably said 'released Today' or something slightly more ambiguous than what they replaced it with.
It would be regulation if the state was telling others how to make their purchasing decisions. The state altering its own purchasing decisions is just good decision making.
Also, Panzer is German for tank. To a German, an Abrams is a Panzer.
How do you know the guy at the farmer's market actually has bees and isn't just selling the cheapest stuff he can find online in fancy bottles? I'll tell you how, with a LASER.