I've used litessl, now positivessl, who are very cheap (£10/year), and very quick to verify/install. I tried two others, rapidssl and err... someone else I forget, and had problems with both in the verify stage (eg, rapidssl: do the first step, then wait for the second step email to come through... and wait... and wait... and give up and go somewhere else. Second email comes through 2 weeks later).
"If you really, really, want backwards compatibility your best bet would be... UNIX!"
...or, as many people choose: Windows. I know windows may not do the things we here at slashdot like, in the ways we like it, but there are people and businesses out there who windows *does* do what they want, in the way they want it. Not everybody who uses windows does so because they don't know better, or because they're trapped into using it, it does provide real solutions.
I run more linux machines than windows, and i never run windows as a server unless it's under vmware on a linux machine, and I've recently installed Solaris to have a play with. But to my clients, for their desktop/client machines, I just couldn't recommend it. They wouldn't be able to cope. Windows -does- have it's place, and it always will do for as long as people on the other sides can't see that.
Suppose it depends on whether you want that exploit in the default distribution of Windows or not... the version that millions of people will be running because they can't get the patches without upgrading... the version that spambots especially like.
(this may not be relevant to the hole you've found, but I'm sure a point can be extrapolated from it;-)
Yes, but in the corporate world, they don't want to have to completely rewrite their database or point of sales software, or any other specially-written-for-them software. The cost of replacing/upgrading hardware is/nothing/ compared to software. A piece of software can really stabilise over say, a 10yr period, and people don't like throwing away that kind of time spent finding obscure bugs and fixing them. You move over to a new operating system, you have to start/all/ that again. You might have kept experience of fixing all the bugs the first time round, but bugs *always* crop up.
But if these computers are ever going to be used for other things as well, or if they're connected to the internet, the underlying software/OS will often need upgrades, or you may wish to take advantage of newer faster hardware, which an older OS might not support. So you need a newer OS, but one that will still run your software.
These are the people that create the best market for MS - as they purchase (yeah, actually exchange money for!!!) the OS, for lotsa machines, whenever they expand or old machines die (often replacing the machine is easier for them, this will often mean with a new OS license), so naturally MS wants to keep them happy. There *is* a market for it.
But Windowses strength lies 90% in it's backward compatibility, the fact that it will run a huge amount of old software, without need to port/recompile/etc. DOS, OS/2, Win16, Win32. If MS did an Apple on starting again and breaking backward compatibility, everyone (here at least) would just accuse them of doing it to make everyone have to buy all their software again, and definitely fewer people would upgrade, and some would even stop developing for Windows, as it would have proved not to be a stable platform.
"So, assuming you know this to be the case and your post wasn't intended to by a joke"
What an odd assumtion to make, but okay, assuming that, it depends on whether when you measure how long it took to "write" notepad, you measure from start date to finish date, or the number of working days it took.
"Just for comparison purposes, does anybody have any (reasonable) numbers for LOC in both Linux and X Windows?"
For comparison, for fair comparison? Definitely not the latter... also include the desktop, browser, news/mail client, ms-paint (okay that one's a joke), all the computer management software, a truck load of runtime/support libraries that additional software will use. Windows is a distribution, not just a kernel and a display server.
See past the GUI dude, cuz that's where these "features" lie, and they're such a small part of what makes an OS stable. Of the Windows/Linux/Mac trio, the Mac OS's were the LAST to do many things like give their processes seperate protected memory spaces, things that make a proper OS, and that's because they adopted BSD/Mach code that already did it for them. Windows has done that for years, as has Linux (but obviously better than especially early windows implementations). Same goes for preemtive multitasking.
So let's quit with this "mac's so far ahead" thing, because all they've done is make a pretty GUI "ahead", but when it comes to the stuff under the hood, they're the *last* people to catch up.
Or launch suspected (that's as close as they get) Al Qaeda members towards the meteorite? Enough of them, hit hard enough, must slow it down, or at least cushion it's landing, what with all that stuff they wear on their heads...
I typed "they're" instead of "they'll" as I changed my original "showing" to "show" to make it less present and more future tense, to imply that it's going to increase, but forgot to go back and change the tense of the "they" as it's approaching 3am and I'm tired. It was a typing error rather than a gramatical one, and anyone with even as little brains as me at this hour could still make it out, more proof that you have less brains than me:-D
Anyway, don't be bitter my friend, I'm sure you'll manage an "FP!!!11uno" soon.
What's the bet they're show us more meteorites hitting the moon, so when we discover no evidance of the moon landing, they can blame it on being destroyed by meteorites?;-)
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"Otherwise, I'm going to spam myself to promote my podcast"
That's well considerate! Forget spamming everyone else, just spam yourself! Get the feeling of sending loads of emails, without annoying anyone. Question is, would you also bother setting up your spam filter to block your emails?
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I've used litessl, now positivessl, who are very cheap (£10/year), and very quick to verify/install. I tried two others, rapidssl and err... someone else I forget, and had problems with both in the verify stage (eg, rapidssl: do the first step, then wait for the second step email to come through... and wait... and wait... and give up and go somewhere else. Second email comes through 2 weeks later).
"Most non-computer geeks types could give a fuck less on why you think Verisign is evil"
Nah, I bet you they couldn't.
"If you really, really, want backwards compatibility your best bet would be... UNIX!"
...or, as many people choose: Windows. I know windows may not do the things we here at slashdot like, in the ways we like it, but there are people and businesses out there who windows *does* do what they want, in the way they want it. Not everybody who uses windows does so because they don't know better, or because they're trapped into using it, it does provide real solutions.
I run more linux machines than windows, and i never run windows as a server unless it's under vmware on a linux machine, and I've recently installed Solaris to have a play with. But to my clients, for their desktop/client machines, I just couldn't recommend it. They wouldn't be able to cope. Windows -does- have it's place, and it always will do for as long as people on the other sides can't see that.
Suppose it depends on whether you want that exploit in the default distribution of Windows or not... the version that millions of people will be running because they can't get the patches without upgrading... the version that spambots especially like.
;-)
(this may not be relevant to the hole you've found, but I'm sure a point can be extrapolated from it
Yes, but in the corporate world, they don't want to have to completely rewrite their database or point of sales software, or any other specially-written-for-them software. The cost of replacing/upgrading hardware is /nothing/ compared to software. A piece of software can really stabilise over say, a 10yr period, and people don't like throwing away that kind of time spent finding obscure bugs and fixing them. You move over to a new operating system, you have to start /all/ that again. You might have kept experience of fixing all the bugs the first time round, but bugs *always* crop up.
But if these computers are ever going to be used for other things as well, or if they're connected to the internet, the underlying software/OS will often need upgrades, or you may wish to take advantage of newer faster hardware, which an older OS might not support. So you need a newer OS, but one that will still run your software.
These are the people that create the best market for MS - as they purchase (yeah, actually exchange money for!!!) the OS, for lotsa machines, whenever they expand or old machines die (often replacing the machine is easier for them, this will often mean with a new OS license), so naturally MS wants to keep them happy. There *is* a market for it.
But Windowses strength lies 90% in it's backward compatibility, the fact that it will run a huge amount of old software, without need to port/recompile/etc. DOS, OS/2, Win16, Win32. If MS did an Apple on starting again and breaking backward compatibility, everyone (here at least) would just accuse them of doing it to make everyone have to buy all their software again, and definitely fewer people would upgrade, and some would even stop developing for Windows, as it would have proved not to be a stable platform.
"So, assuming you know this to be the case and your post wasn't intended to by a joke"
What an odd assumtion to make, but okay, assuming that, it depends on whether when you measure how long it took to "write" notepad, you measure from start date to finish date, or the number of working days it took.
Not intended as a joke *lol*
"Just for comparison purposes, does anybody have any (reasonable) numbers for LOC in both Linux and X Windows?"
For comparison, for fair comparison? Definitely not the latter... also include the desktop, browser, news/mail client, ms-paint (okay that one's a joke), all the computer management software, a truck load of runtime/support libraries that additional software will use. Windows is a distribution, not just a kernel and a display server.
See past the GUI dude, cuz that's where these "features" lie, and they're such a small part of what makes an OS stable. Of the Windows/Linux/Mac trio, the Mac OS's were the LAST to do many things like give their processes seperate protected memory spaces, things that make a proper OS, and that's because they adopted BSD/Mach code that already did it for them. Windows has done that for years, as has Linux (but obviously better than especially early windows implementations). Same goes for preemtive multitasking.
So let's quit with this "mac's so far ahead" thing, because all they've done is make a pretty GUI "ahead", but when it comes to the stuff under the hood, they're the *last* people to catch up.
"Where do the figures of 6,200 (and the earlier 9,000) LOC/year come from?"
Simple maths:
LN / DN * DY = 6,200
where:
LN = Lines of code in Notepad.exe
DN = number of Days taken to write Notepad.exe
DY = number of Days in a Year.
Yes, it's extrapolated from the notepad developers (it was a team of 7)
"Duke Nukem Forever and?"
Flying cars
"If that's the case, why isn't Canada a state yet?
:-)
We don't have nukes.
We have a shitload of oil"
And a bunch of french to surrender!
(sorry, know that one's getting old, just couldn't resist... I'm british, it's in my blood
You'd just have to make sure you pick the right vehicle
"Weapons of mass distraction?"
Weapons of mass terbation?
Or launch suspected (that's as close as they get) Al Qaeda members towards the meteorite? Enough of them, hit hard enough, must slow it down, or at least cushion it's landing, what with all that stuff they wear on their heads...
"The moon is big, really, really big. Colonies are small, really, really small"
I can do the maths!
1. Odds of meteorite hitting colony on moon: really small : really big
2. Simplify (divide both sides by really): small : big
3. Calculate chance: small / big = um... profit?
Okay maybe I can't.
- who modded "flamebait"...
;-) <-- huh?
I typed "they're" instead of "they'll" as I changed my original "showing" to "show" to make it less present and more future tense, to imply that it's going to increase, but forgot to go back and change the tense of the "they" as it's approaching 3am and I'm tired. It was a typing error rather than a gramatical one, and anyone with even as little brains as me at this hour could still make it out, more proof that you have less brains than me :-D
Anyway, don't be bitter my friend, I'm sure you'll manage an "FP!!!11uno" soon.
"and learn that criticizing from a distance is easy, and fraught with perl"
hehe, you ~!#$!\@!; blogger!
...just that all the other times, they ignored him, and he didn't wanna sound like someone who got ignored all the time :-p
People who work with Windows shouldn't throw stones? (sorry, just wanted to carry on the cliché thing :-p)
12,500, duh. Just ask google.
What's the bet they're show us more meteorites hitting the moon, so when we discover no evidance of the moon landing, they can blame it on being destroyed by meteorites? ;-)
Think it would be a bad omen if, by chance, a word appeared like 'cAnCEr' in the ascii art? Or would you shrug it off as just a coincidence? :-/
"Otherwise, I'm going to spam myself to promote my podcast"
That's well considerate! Forget spamming everyone else, just spam yourself! Get the feeling of sending loads of emails, without annoying anyone. Question is, would you also bother setting up your spam filter to block your emails?