I'm not knocking, I use it all the time, but let's avoid getting too up-in-arms about this. You all know as well as I do that iCrave has always been a little questionable.
This isn't about Big Bad Corporate America stifling the global evolution of the net, either. When those networks sell advertising, it's with the understanding from their customers that they will have 30 seconds of captive audience. You can't run a site that sponges off other people's (very very large) investments for your own personal gain without expecting the legitimate owners of that signal to get a little peeved.
Let's not let the overwhelming trend of attacking people for defending their IP extend into areas it doesn't belong. When someone tries to patent "One-click shopping", I understand the community getting irate. But iCrave is not the good guy here, they're the leech. And I say that as a loyal customer of theirs.:)
I wonder how much support you could garner for a kind of meta-client. Write a basic framework that could handle any kind of idle-eater, and then let users decide which ones to run. Users could, for example, be provided with a list of potential interests (e.g. Internet Prime Search, Seti, NASA stuff like this, etc.) and just tickmark the ones they wouldn't mind doing.
Let the client grab new processing modules for any task that can be modularized, and you turn the internet into an enormous, general purpose computer.
Of course, the potential for abuse, especially through someone sending their own processing modules, masquerading as the server, would crop up. But if, for example, each module was gpg-signed, this wouldn't be such a problem.
All I know is that this could really open up some incredible power to all sorts of research projects that just can't happen right now for lack of resources. I know *I* would download it.
Maybe I was one of the very few that noticed, but the VA website used to list Bastille Linux as one of its projects. The idea of a linux distro built on principles similar to those driving OpenBSD (which is what I took Bastille to be about) is a laudable one, but now support for the project seems non-existant... what gives?
To get off our collective duffs and develop a secure internet monetary system. Hell, even if visa/amex/etc just implemented a system wherein you could get a "internet secure" credit card, that would refuse internet transactions unless the buyer presented a valid certificate that only the cardholder has. Then a database of these things would be useless unless you could somehow also obtain the person's personal certificate.
Oh give me a break, it takes a while to convert every page on slashdot, and if you read the comments for this story, you'll see one from Hemos stating that the change is already underway.
If this boycott will have the intended effect. I mean, the problem is that RMS (and/. for that matter) are preaching to the converted. I guess it may be an unfair assumption on my part, but I imagine that a large percentage of the geek population doesn't shop at amazon anyhow, they probably look to sites like fatbrain which cater more specifically to their interests. So even if RMS got 100% geek support for the idea, it might not dent amazon.com's hits in the least.
Hey, just a quick note for Canucks trying to track down a copy, Chapters.ca has it for $15 right now, and that's in CANADIAN dollars.:) Not sure if they still have their free delivery deal, but either way, it probably beats the fatbrain/amazon/whatever yankee price.
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Regarding the idea of using DSL as a companion to Satellite, I think it's a good one. Right now the big thing keeping me from the wonders of satellite is that I'd have to do my upstream over a clunky old modem, so it a company could pair these two, that'd be great.
OTOH, regarding the ability to use voice, all the ADSL implementations I've seen allow that anyhow. I mean, voice communication only uses, like, 1% of the copper's transmission capacity, so why bother cutting it off. I used Bell Canada's ADSL service for a couple months, 1Mbit downstream, 128KBit upstream, but I could pick up the phone anytime I wanted. It was all multiplexed.
BTW - It occurs to me now that the DSL/Satellite thing probably won't take off (no pun intended). If a company is in a position to offer you a DSL hookup just for your upstream on their satellite service, why not just get yourself a decent xDSL connect and screw the satellite? With this new tech, the DSL is likely to have comparable if not better transmission speeds, and it's two way.
I stumbled onto this awhile ago while loudly bemoaning the fact that someone other than me had taken this prize domain name real-estate. About as minimalist as a site can get, but he's apparently run into the same problem we have.
Call me a newbie or hopelessly naive, but could someone explain to me why you couldn't just stop these signals by computing inside a faraday cage? As I understood it, an enclosing wire frame will prevent radio emmissions from entering or leaving?
Is there something fundamentally different about TEMPEST-type emmissions? Or is there something fundamentally flawed with my notion of a Faraday cage? Or is this a perfectly valid solution, just that most people don't want to, or don't have access to a big metal cage in which to do their computing?
It's important to remember with information like this that while it has an effect in how we understand the brain, it doesn't change a hundred years of empirical science.
The truth is that as we age, there are marked decreases in our ability to solve problems requiring fluid intelligence, quick responses to new situations, and incorporation of new information into a problem space.
That doesn't mean there isn't plenty of anecdotal evidence of those 90 year old men Heinlein was so fond of, that could knock any 4 20 year olds on their cognitive asses, it just says that by and large, the trend is towards some slippage, especially in the areas of thought requiring flexibility and adaptability.
If these neurons have been here being produced all along, then they obviously aren't sufficient to prevent the mind's downfall - maybe they slow it down, but the mind still falters.
Now let me reverse myself a little...:) I think research like this shows promise, if it can be applied to the idea of increasing the neuronal reproduction, to reverse degenerative mental conditions, or even just age related wear and tear. Let's just not get carried away and say that because of this research, suddenly our old ideas about age and mentality are wrong.
I gotta agree, the part where it tells you that leaving your pilot in the hotsync cradle drains the batteries has already saved me enough dough to justify the purchase.
BTW - Any Canucks interested in buying the book, I'd suggest Chapters.ca. They've got the book on 20% discount right now, and delivery's free in Canada till the end of October. Click here to go to the product page. (Heh, note that if you go to it through that link, you also give me a 5% commission, awfully sweet of you.:)
I suggest checking out the Caffeine and Coffee FAQs - click here.
I also just finished working with the FAQ's maintainer on a trimmed down version for Palm Pilot (in case you eve need to decide between Sugar Free Mr. Pibb and Dr. Pepper striclty on Caffeine content). I don't think he's linked them yet, but you can go to my page to get them (in the Palm Pilot section).
I suggest checking out the Caffeine and Coffee FAQs - click here.
I also just finished working with the FAQ's maintainer on a trimmed down version for Palm Pilot (in case you eve need to decide between Sugar Free Mr. Pibb and Dr. Pepper striclty on Caffeine content). I don't think he's linked them yet, but you can go to my page to get them (in the Palm Pilot section).
First off, while you can get to it from the links above, the impatient among you can click here for an animation (animated gif) of the bridge building process.
Second, after watching that, can someone explain to me how, in this case, GA show any advantage over boring old Newell and Simon means-ends analysis? I mean, in general, yes, I see the advantages of GA, but this looks like a case for "identify your situation", "identify your goal", "identify an operator that might reduce the distance between your situation and goal", "apply operator", "repeat." Why let randomness figure into it?
I guess it's probably a good thing that I don't have an immense background on the personality of Bruce and Eric, I've read the essays, but I don't have much opinion either way on the people. Maybe that makes me more objective? I don't know, but this all seems too simple for a couple of guys who are undeniably smarter than this.
Read Bruce's comments in this thread. It's bloody obvious that he's playing the "Not my fault" game. He wants the world to know how reasonable he is, and how hurt we all are by ESR's immature attitude. Look at Perens comments and it'll become real clear that they're all screaming that same message. Now c'mon Bruce, that's not the behaviour of someone genuinely interested in resolving things, that's the behaviour of someone trying to be RIGHT. Now that's fine, I like being right too. But if that's what you want Bruce, then don't pretend to be interested in reconciliation, you're just insulting Eric's (not to mention our) intelligence.
Eric, I dunno, I mean, you got flamed. I think Bruce probably knew he was going to offend you by doing it, but digging in your heels isn't gonna help your position much. I don't know how much other people's opinions matter to you. You're a libertarian, so you're within your rights and belief system to tell us all to piss off, and often, that'd be my approach of choice. But look at people's comments -- it tears your supporters up to see you keep fighting this fight. I agree that Bruce needs to do a little growing up in terms of his approach, I would be pissed off in your case too. But I am not one of the key spokespeople of the open source movement. If you don't want that job, then by all means, drop out, it will hurt us, but OSS will survive. If you DO want that job though, you've gotta acknowledge that your actions start to get noticed on a larger scale. You know how annoyed we get at the linux-blowtorch that gets unleashed whenever someone insults our pet. We all talk about how we don't want linux users to look like hair-trigger attackers. If you want to represent the OSS movement, if you've accepted that that is currently one of your roles, then you've got to live up to the office.
Of course, you're both grown men, and I can offer no reason why my opinion should matter one bit to either of you. So I'll let the comments stand on their own. If you think there's any validity to what I'm saying, great, if not, thanks for your time and best of luck.
Good points, all, and I imagine this kind of thing would pick up more than 800 hits.
I think you could also ease the complexity if you had the database make the matches. You sign up and list your available skills, and your desires (including, for people like me, an "everything" box:) and then let it make the n-fold connections for you.
A lot of the architecture would be almost identical to job search sites that match your skills with employer needs.
I gotta agree, this sounds pretty nifty, but I think the problem is making the connections. Maybe I can write docs, and want a palm pilot, but maybe the gal/guy who wants the docs written is offering a faster chip, not a palm pilot.
Think it'd be practical to start implementing transactions with N>2 participants? Set up circles, I do your docs, you do his debugging, he gives her the chip, she gives me the palm. (No pun, or illegal intent, intended:) Or would this kind of complexity just turn people off?
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How original.:) Anyone taking them up on it? Anyone even get "The Letter"?
Far be it from me to sound optimistic, but I don't know if an MS check will be enough. It might be enough to infest the web server for the Greek department, or the Fine Arts mailserv, but CS departments are gonna want something stable to work with. I've TA'd for profs in the CS department who don't know a lick of windows programming, and aren't interested, and only about 5% of our post-second-year courses use anything but *n?x.
Yes, there is. I don't have the technical details of the algorithm, but I'm almost positive that I read some PGP documentation that talked about how Alice could use both Bob and Bruce's public keys when encrypting to allow either of them, but no one else, to read it. (Anyone have more details here?)
As for protecting the keys from kiddie use, do what you do with other keys, lock em up with a passphrase. Just have the install program for Netscape, or even for the OS get your pass keys, and not unlock the sites without them. This seems like a good way to implement it, it's not even *really* censorship if you do this, since anyone with the keys can get in. As for kids getting ahold of duplicate keys... it would likely happen, but c'mon, they can also get ahold of daddy's playboy stash. Those few, determined, 14-year-old porn freaks will probably find a way anyhow.
Though of course my opinion remains that the whole idea blows thoroughly. This is just a decent implementation suggestion, IMHO.
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I'm not knocking, I use it all the time, but let's avoid getting too up-in-arms about this. You all know as well as I do that iCrave has always been a little questionable.
:)
This isn't about Big Bad Corporate America stifling the global evolution of the net, either. When those networks sell advertising, it's with the understanding from their customers that they will have 30 seconds of captive audience. You can't run a site that sponges off other people's (very very large) investments for your own personal gain without expecting the legitimate owners of that signal to get a little peeved.
Let's not let the overwhelming trend of attacking people for defending their IP extend into areas it doesn't belong. When someone tries to patent "One-click shopping", I understand the community getting irate. But iCrave is not the good guy here, they're the leech. And I say that as a loyal customer of theirs.
JMHO, as always,
Johnath
OTOH...
I wonder how much support you could garner for a kind of meta-client. Write a basic framework that could handle any kind of idle-eater, and then let users decide which ones to run. Users could, for example, be provided with a list of potential interests (e.g. Internet Prime Search, Seti, NASA stuff like this, etc.) and just tickmark the ones they wouldn't mind doing.
Let the client grab new processing modules for any task that can be modularized, and you turn the internet into an enormous, general purpose computer.
Of course, the potential for abuse, especially through someone sending their own processing modules, masquerading as the server, would crop up. But if, for example, each module was gpg-signed, this wouldn't be such a problem.
All I know is that this could really open up some incredible power to all sorts of research projects that just can't happen right now for lack of resources. I know *I* would download it.
Johnath
Maybe I was one of the very few that noticed, but the VA website used to list Bastille Linux as one of its projects. The idea of a linux distro built on principles similar to those driving OpenBSD (which is what I took Bastille to be about) is a laudable one, but now support for the project seems non-existant... what gives?
Johnath
To get off our collective duffs and develop a secure internet monetary system. Hell, even if visa/amex/etc just implemented a system wherein you could get a "internet secure" credit card, that would refuse internet transactions unless the buyer presented a valid certificate that only the cardholder has. Then a database of these things would be useless unless you could somehow also obtain the person's personal certificate.
If you're in Canada, or feel like spending $CDN just for fun, here's a couple of his books at chapters.ca:
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Mythi cal Man Month
Compu ter Architecture (Vol 1)
Just FYI, I already have em both...
Oh give me a break, it takes a while to convert every page on slashdot, and if you read the comments for this story, you'll see one from Hemos stating that the change is already underway.
It would appear they're putting up already.
If this boycott will have the intended effect. I mean, the problem is that RMS (and /. for that matter) are preaching to the converted. I guess it may be an unfair assumption on my part, but I imagine that a large percentage of the geek population doesn't shop at amazon anyhow, they probably look to sites like fatbrain which cater more specifically to their interests. So even if RMS got 100% geek support for the idea, it might not dent amazon.com's hits in the least.
Pick it up in $CDN here.
Click Me!
BTW - This book cost enough that Chapters'll ship it free. Even better!
Will prolly want to pick up the book from Chapters.ca instead of fatbrain, here's the link:
Click me!
Hey, just a quick note for Canucks trying to track down a copy, Chapters.ca has it for $15 right now, and that's in CANADIAN dollars. :) Not sure if they still have their free delivery deal, but either way, it probably beats the fatbrain/amazon/whatever yankee price.
Pick it up here.
Regarding the idea of using DSL as a companion to Satellite, I think it's a good one. Right now the big thing keeping me from the wonders of satellite is that I'd have to do my upstream over a clunky old modem, so it a company could pair these two, that'd be great.
OTOH, regarding the ability to use voice, all the ADSL implementations I've seen allow that anyhow. I mean, voice communication only uses, like, 1% of the copper's transmission capacity, so why bother cutting it off. I used Bell Canada's ADSL service for a couple months, 1Mbit downstream, 128KBit upstream, but I could pick up the phone anytime I wanted. It was all multiplexed.
BTW - It occurs to me now that the DSL/Satellite thing probably won't take off (no pun intended). If a company is in a position to offer you a DSL hookup just for your upstream on their satellite service, why not just get yourself a decent xDSL connect and screw the satellite? With this new tech, the DSL is likely to have comparable if not better transmission speeds, and it's two way.
I stumbled onto this awhile ago while loudly bemoaning the fact that someone other than me had taken this prize domain name real-estate. About as minimalist as a site can get, but he's apparently run into the same problem we have.
Check out this list of name groups.
Call me a newbie or hopelessly naive, but could someone explain to me why you couldn't just stop these signals by computing inside a faraday cage? As I understood it, an enclosing wire frame will prevent radio emmissions from entering or leaving?
Is there something fundamentally different about TEMPEST-type emmissions? Or is there something fundamentally flawed with my notion of a Faraday cage? Or is this a perfectly valid solution, just that most people don't want to, or don't have access to a big metal cage in which to do their computing?
It's important to remember with information like this that while it has an effect in how we understand the brain, it doesn't change a hundred years of empirical science.
:) I think research like this shows promise, if it can be applied to the idea of increasing the neuronal reproduction, to reverse degenerative mental conditions, or even just age related wear and tear. Let's just not get carried away and say that because of this research, suddenly our old ideas about age and mentality are wrong.
The truth is that as we age, there are marked decreases in our ability to solve problems requiring fluid intelligence, quick responses to new situations, and incorporation of new information into a problem space.
That doesn't mean there isn't plenty of anecdotal evidence of those 90 year old men Heinlein was so fond of, that could knock any 4 20 year olds on their cognitive asses, it just says that by and large, the trend is towards some slippage, especially in the areas of thought requiring flexibility and adaptability.
If these neurons have been here being produced all along, then they obviously aren't sufficient to prevent the mind's downfall - maybe they slow it down, but the mind still falters.
Now let me reverse myself a little...
I gotta agree, the part where it tells you that leaving your pilot in the hotsync cradle drains the batteries has already saved me enough dough to justify the purchase.
:)
BTW - Any Canucks interested in buying the book, I'd suggest Chapters.ca. They've got the book on 20% discount right now, and delivery's free in Canada till the end of October. Click here to go to the product page. (Heh, note that if you go to it through that link, you also give me a 5% commission, awfully sweet of you.
I suggest checking out the Caffeine and Coffee FAQs - click here.
I also just finished working with the FAQ's maintainer on a trimmed down version for Palm Pilot (in case you eve need to decide between Sugar Free Mr. Pibb and Dr. Pepper striclty on Caffeine content). I don't think he's linked them yet, but you can go to my page to get them (in the Palm Pilot section).
Johnath
I suggest checking out the Caffeine and Coffee FAQs - click here.
I also just finished working with the FAQ's maintainer on a trimmed down version for Palm Pilot (in case you eve need to decide between Sugar Free Mr. Pibb and Dr. Pepper striclty on Caffeine content). I don't think he's linked them yet, but you can go to my page to get them (in the Palm Pilot section).
Johnath
First off, while you can get to it from the links above, the impatient among you can click here for an animation (animated gif) of the bridge building process.
Second, after watching that, can someone explain to me how, in this case, GA show any advantage over boring old Newell and Simon means-ends analysis? I mean, in general, yes, I see the advantages of GA, but this looks like a case for "identify your situation", "identify your goal", "identify an operator that might reduce the distance between your situation and goal", "apply operator", "repeat." Why let randomness figure into it?
I guess it's probably a good thing that I don't have an immense background on the personality of Bruce and Eric, I've read the essays, but I don't have much opinion either way on the people. Maybe that makes me more objective? I don't know, but this all seems too simple for a couple of guys who are undeniably smarter than this.
Read Bruce's comments in this thread. It's bloody obvious that he's playing the "Not my fault" game. He wants the world to know how reasonable he is, and how hurt we all are by ESR's immature attitude. Look at Perens comments and it'll become real clear that they're all screaming that same message. Now c'mon Bruce, that's not the behaviour of someone genuinely interested in resolving things, that's the behaviour of someone trying to be RIGHT. Now that's fine, I like being right too. But if that's what you want Bruce, then don't pretend to be interested in reconciliation, you're just insulting Eric's (not to mention our) intelligence.
Eric, I dunno, I mean, you got flamed. I think Bruce probably knew he was going to offend you by doing it, but digging in your heels isn't gonna help your position much. I don't know how much other people's opinions matter to you. You're a libertarian, so you're within your rights and belief system to tell us all to piss off, and often, that'd be my approach of choice. But look at people's comments -- it tears your supporters up to see you keep fighting this fight. I agree that Bruce needs to do a little growing up in terms of his approach, I would be pissed off in your case too. But I am not one of the key spokespeople of the open source movement. If you don't want that job, then by all means, drop out, it will hurt us, but OSS will survive. If you DO want that job though, you've gotta acknowledge that your actions start to get noticed on a larger scale. You know how annoyed we get at the linux-blowtorch that gets unleashed whenever someone insults our pet. We all talk about how we don't want linux users to look like hair-trigger attackers. If you want to represent the OSS movement, if you've accepted that that is currently one of your roles, then you've got to live up to the office.
Of course, you're both grown men, and I can offer no reason why my opinion should matter one bit to either of you. So I'll let the comments stand on their own. If you think there's any validity to what I'm saying, great, if not, thanks for your time and best of luck.
Regards,
Johnathan
Good points, all, and I imagine this kind of thing would pick up more than 800 hits.
:) and then let it make the n-fold connections for you.
I think you could also ease the complexity if you had the database make the matches. You sign up and list your available skills, and your desires (including, for people like me, an "everything" box
A lot of the architecture would be almost identical to job search sites that match your skills with employer needs.
I gotta agree, this sounds pretty nifty, but I think the problem is making the connections. Maybe I can write docs, and want a palm pilot, but maybe the gal/guy who wants the docs written is offering a faster chip, not a palm pilot.
:) Or would this kind of complexity just turn people off?
Think it'd be practical to start implementing transactions with N>2 participants? Set up circles, I do your docs, you do his debugging, he gives her the chip, she gives me the palm. (No pun, or illegal intent, intended
Hrm. I know that one shouldn't take their website as representative of their overall security policy, but take a look at this:
Apache 1.2.0? I don't want to second guess to security leaders of the world, but guys... ever heard of "patch"?
Also from the EDGAR filing:
How original.Far be it from me to sound optimistic, but I don't know if an MS check will be enough. It might be enough to infest the web server for the Greek department, or the Fine Arts mailserv, but CS departments are gonna want something stable to work with. I've TA'd for profs in the CS department who don't know a lick of windows programming, and aren't interested, and only about 5% of our post-second-year courses use anything but *n?x.
Yes, there is. I don't have the technical details of the algorithm, but I'm almost positive that I read some PGP documentation that talked about how Alice could use both Bob and Bruce's public keys when encrypting to allow either of them, but no one else, to read it. (Anyone have more details here?)
As for protecting the keys from kiddie use, do what you do with other keys, lock em up with a passphrase. Just have the install program for Netscape, or even for the OS get your pass keys, and not unlock the sites without them. This seems like a good way to implement it, it's not even *really* censorship if you do this, since anyone with the keys can get in. As for kids getting ahold of duplicate keys... it would likely happen, but c'mon, they can also get ahold of daddy's playboy stash. Those few, determined, 14-year-old porn freaks will probably find a way anyhow.
Though of course my opinion remains that the whole idea blows thoroughly. This is just a decent implementation suggestion, IMHO.