When I think of global civil soceity I think of EVERYONE, not just the first worlders. In which case you'd have to make this system really cheap if not free and include a wireless network card on it for free internet access so they could communicate with the rest of us. Something tells me this is just marketting hype to create profits for another extremely wealthy luser, but I'll never read the article. I just like to post.:)
You make it sound as if these schools are free. A student attending this course is paying far more for it than you are. So what are you bitching about again? Oh yeah, taxes. If you don't agree with them just don't contribute so much. I don't think any tax payer money should be going to UCB. Why is it? Or why doesn't it pay for everything? What's the point of putting public funds into a school system that is so crappy to begin with? Personally I think ALL schools should be private and we should get to decide where we want to put our money, for education. OR It should all be state run so we get a good wholesome nationalistic education. But here we have democracy in action. Not good enough for ya?:) My complaint too.
Read the article. It says "democratic education course has now been suspended by the university. It is sponsored by the university and run by students but not funded by the university.", "the gathering was not a course requirement.", and "It was just a fun, harmless get-together". This sounds to me like a bunch of students threw a party that some people had sex in, so the school suspended the democratic education course. Yep, your tax dollars hard at work destroying our education system one piece at a time.
You would think, of all place, people at a university would be open minded enough to possibly explore or educate themselves about sex. What a sad society we've created. We deny eachother the most simple pleasures in life in favor of the artificial ones.
I could use files larger than 32 GB too. But maybe you wouldn't, so 36-bit will work great for you. Good luck finding a system. Personally I like XFS's ~9 PB filesize limit. It would take some time and a lot of creative thought to create a file that big, but I'm up for the challenge.
I agreed with most of your post until I read this. Are you crazy? I'm a sys admin with a few years under my belt and I think I know Linux, Solaris, HP-UX, IRIX, all that windows/Mac/Novell stuff and a little AIX, OSF, etc. But AIX 4.3 or others have been the most trouble for me to admin since we have really old IBM hardware and it boots really slowly and isn't consistent, or maybe I'm not, one or the other. I'm curious if you could give me a few pointers when dealing with AIX or how you manage it? Do you primarily use the command line or smit? I find the more I edit things by hand and use the command line it tends to do what I want. Or if I can reconfigure it while its still on the network it usually will reboot ok. But whenever I use smit it sometimes does something I don't want it to and hangs or annoys me and wastes LOTS of my time. Any good sites for AIX pointers? Thanks.:)
Thanks for replying. I'll try to absorb your links soon. Its interesting that AMD is being this friendly to Microsoft, who originally wasn't going to port XP to the X86-64 stuff. I'm not a huge AMD fan either, since their clock locking and disabling dual processor capabilities in their XP line, which probably cost them extra. Maybe Power4 would be the right platform to migrate to... Alpha seems deal. Itanium and Opteron are both first generation and anything else, except maybe Ultrasprac III, doesn't really compete. I don't even know if those hammers can compete with the performance of the Power4s at the same clockspeed.
Most of Linux' command line syntax is portable or was derived from other *nix systems. chkconfig, for example, on RedHat is very similar to Irix, but of course RedHat had to go and fuck it up. But its always recommended to read the man page when you're not sure, since even ls or ps might have different options.
idiots like your parent post that don't know how to run a search on yahoo. Just think what would happen if we got rid of commercials and all of a sudden yahoo went out of business. Half the people that read your post would suddenly be lost and not no where to go to get things like food and clothes and furniture. Personally I think we should make advertising illegal, so all those people would starve. Survival of the fittest baby.;)
Yeah, and I doubt the home user would ever need anything more than 640K. The facts are I'm a home user. I have files I'd like to use larger than 4GB. I need 64-bit.
Or maybe you mean the sooner we're all on Intel's DRM technology the better. See I dislike Intel for their politics which has nothing to do with their chips. Its just fortunately for me that their chips suck ass right now for performance. What worries me is that since the IA64 has so much industry support they'll fix the compiler problems and get real performance numbers out of that chip. And that chip's design could clearly wipe the floor with any X86 or most other architectures, from what I saw. But I hope it fails to marketting and timeline demands because its Intel, duh.
Furthermore, the default window manager on Linux and Solaris is mwm (Motif Window Manager), which is absolutely horrible. Among other things, it completely ceases to work if NUM LOCK is on. There's been talk about switching over to GNOME as the default, but as of now people have to ask each other how to switch to Windowmaker, FVWM, or the current GNOME environment.
How did you get rated so high? First you claim that thousands of people use this system at Carnegie Mellon to somehow justify it as a well designed network. Then you spout off the above load of BS. First mwm is not the default window manager on linux or solaris and hasn't been for years. Maybe back in the days of SunOS 4.x, but anything written in the last 5 years has been using CDE, Enlightenment, Windowmaker, KDE, GNOME, etc. The last two can look and feel an aweful lot like those windows and macs. And where did you come up with the NUM LOCK problem? Linux boxes are surprisingly stable and cheap and can run hundreds of users off of one box. They can remotely display their desktop to windows and macs as well as other unix boxes natively. They can share files with windows, macs and unix boxes easily from default installs and include all the software necessary to automate the process of moving and managing your data out of the box. Perhaps Carnegie Mellon and its supposed computer scientists don't know anything about computers or how to use them but that gives no excuse to your post. Please link to sites that can't be drawn by mozilla and give reasons for the problems with the Gimp, StarOffice, KDE and GNOME and why people, university students, would have trouble using said software. Oh and in the example of a nightmare user experience in mwm can you tell me why netscape was never displayed? It sounds to me like either you made all this up or nobody has administrated your unix network in the last 5 years. Since your post is about improving the usability of Linux do you have any suggestions?
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The counterbalance IS public awareness, or education. First you gotta make education free and fun. Then you gotta work extra hard to automate the stuff we're spinning our tires on today, as well as make those jobs of automating shit fun. This requires a little creative thought, but that only comes from love. We will never get any of that from greed or capitalism. Or at least that's my fear. Occationally you do see some good come from capitalists, but usually its the same old greed and selfishness that degrades the system. I believe capitalism would work if companies minimized profits, but still made profits, while working to make the best products they can, sharing as much information as possible and limitting legal action to real crimes where real people are hurt. But capitalism would never limit itself in that way because of the greed, because people can make far more money in a corrupt system than they could in a fair system. One way to start would be staying no CEO could make more than $1 million more per year than the lowest paid employee/contractor in their corps, etc. But even with laws like that people would still find ways to cheat the system and the public. In the end it just hurts the public. They get lots of cheap, useless or replaceable tools that were designed to break in less than 5 years that were all overvalued so the company could make more money and give it to the Execs who didn't make the products. Sounds a lot like the arguements I constantly hear against communism.
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bullshit. Capitalism has nothing to do with technology or industrialization. Mere coincidence.
In a true communist society why would russia have to have been in the arms race to begin with? They should have been caring about their people and taking care of their people instead of being concerned about America. This is bad leadership and management, not a fault of communism. Its like saying capitalism causes extreme violence because of all the violence in America or because of its history of military action. Capitalism had nothing to do with the choices of our representatives. It does have a little to do with why we make cheap products and have lots of greedy selfish people. But people are inherently selfish and greedy. So your arguement is to accept our differences, accept humanity for what it is. Then why are drugs illegal? Because capitalists like monopolies and you get monopolies by using legislation against certain markets. When was the last time you saw an advertisement for colloidal silver? Not sure on the spelling.
I believe the best form of society would be a society that recognizes that people have needs and wants and differences. It should work to make absolutely sure all NEEDS are fullfilled, then take care of the wants as best we can while accepting eachother's differences. And give those people the tools and information to build the automated systems to take care of the work. That's communism. Capitalists have to reinvent the wheel everytime they want to make something, or outsource all their solutions, because nothing is free, not even water. And it takes money to make money. So each citizen is place into that chicken and the egg dilema from birth. Communists recognize that nothing has any value since humanity already owns the Earth, bought and paid for. Hope you enjoy working the rest of your life, I already know I won't. But at least I got it easy. Heh, too bad for everyone else, eh?;)
Stop wasting time writing to representatives or corporations or businessmen that want to make money. When the technology arrives go out and buy yourself a nice wireless access point for around $100-$200 that gives you a broadband wireless connection. And in the mean time be talking with ALL your friends and fellow geeks about how YOU are going to create a wireless net that maps out over your city. If we all do this in all of our cities we'll be able to replace ISPs with our broadband wireless nets for a fraction the cost of the backend equipment. Then just look for software like freenet and the alternate root domains to route traffic. With a little effort and some patience we'll take back the net that was never ours to begin with. Wireless technology bundled with linux will allow you to make a router that routes between wireless access points instead of using the internet as the backbone. And a completely wireless free internet can not be controlled by anyone. But don't listen to me, I don't know anything.
is it that you'd prefer that all the companies you just besmirched created proprietary software?
Short answer: Yes! If they don't agree with the gnu philosophy then they shouldn't use GNU software. EVERYONE is moving to Linux, but why? Is it the kernel? Or is it GNU? If it is GNU then it is the idealism behind linux that gives it its power. By diluting that idealism in a bunch of words about economics nobody understands and whining how you can't make any money from free stuff or how something that's given away for free has no value. You're just like Jack Valenti. GNU software never has and never will need the support of money hungry companies. It gets its work for free from contributing members of a community. I'd prefer Suse and Caldera made their own proprietary software. I used to like SuSE, I gave them over $100 last year. But if they don't like the GNU model of software distribution they shouldn't be in this business to begin with. SuSE released 2 or 3 releases last year, stopped giving away ISOs of their products and still expect me to pay $60 for the benefit of upgrading all the free GNU software I used to download and upgrade off the net for free? I predict in the next few years, except for the very specialized applications, all software being developed or sold will be GNU software. Because its by far the most efficient method of producing these products. The free market has spoken.
Nobody is saying you can't charge for GNU software. We're just saying that you should not include non-free software with GNU to make a proprietary package that you then tell us you can't give away for free, because it has proprietary non-free software included in it. Follow the license, give away the source online with enough bandwidth to match demand, give away isos of exactly what you sell. Then sell all you want. That's the distribution model intended by GNU software. Don't like it? Write your own.
CNN and other major media corps runs dotcom crash and advises people to pull their money out of the stock market. Stock market crashes. Lots of dotcoms go under. AOL buys TimeWarner/CNN and many dotcoms, also bought netscape long before the crash. Then sells a few buildings to verisign. In the mean time Verisign has integrated themselves into every browser with their supposedly secure crypto tech and now assists the government in monitoring its citizens. And AOLTW takes icq and rolls out instant messaging phones and pagers, etc. It feels to me like some companies were able to gather a lot of technology and power in this recession and now are using it to form monopolies.
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child labor laws are a necessity in a manufacturing society if you want kids to grow up to be adults some day and not die in a coal mine.
That's a pretty harsh reality. I don't understand why we would need laws to protect children from this type of thing. Are we so greedy that we'd let a child die so we could become more wealthy? If so wouldn't the root cause of the problem be our greed and not child labor? Why don't we do something about the greed? Because that's entirely what our economic system is based on. That's why I say capitalism is not working, it never has. What works is our technology and industrialization, which just happened to develope about the same time America became super capitalist. So we base all our wealth off of capitalism when most of it actually should be attributed to industrial automation. But everyone still thinks the dollar is based on gold and not the work we do so I guess none of it matters anyway.
So making a less than perfect copy of something is legal, but making a perfect copy of something is illegal? By that logic mp3s are perfectly legal for us to trade since they are not perfect copies of the data the RIAA is placing on CDs, just the relevent content most people would be interrested in. Plus they are not being sold as competition for the RIAA but instead are being shared and given away for free.
Maybe he did the graphical install. I don't know. I use slackware when I don't have twice the ram and processor power I need. But I wouldn't call my friend an idiot. That wouldn't be very nice and he's a Sr. Engineer, just not a RedHat expert.
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When I think of global civil soceity I think of EVERYONE, not just the first worlders. In which case you'd have to make this system really cheap if not free and include a wireless network card on it for free internet access so they could communicate with the rest of us. Something tells me this is just marketting hype to create profits for another extremely wealthy luser, but I'll never read the article. I just like to post. :)
You make it sound as if these schools are free. A student attending this course is paying far more for it than you are. So what are you bitching about again? Oh yeah, taxes. If you don't agree with them just don't contribute so much. I don't think any tax payer money should be going to UCB. Why is it? Or why doesn't it pay for everything? What's the point of putting public funds into a school system that is so crappy to begin with? Personally I think ALL schools should be private and we should get to decide where we want to put our money, for education. OR It should all be state run so we get a good wholesome nationalistic education. But here we have democracy in action. Not good enough for ya? :) My complaint too.
That's theoretical bandwidth. I hear the average will be between 10 and 20 Mbps.
Read the article. It says "democratic education course has now been suspended by the university. It is sponsored by the university and run by students but not funded by the university.", "the gathering was not a course requirement.", and "It was just a fun, harmless get-together". This sounds to me like a bunch of students threw a party that some people had sex in, so the school suspended the democratic education course. Yep, your tax dollars hard at work destroying our education system one piece at a time.
Does porn offend the public or is it only the media's opinion and our current policy?
You would think, of all place, people at a university would be open minded enough to possibly explore or educate themselves about sex. What a sad society we've created. We deny eachother the most simple pleasures in life in favor of the artificial ones.
I could use files larger than 32 GB too. But maybe you wouldn't, so 36-bit will work great for you. Good luck finding a system. Personally I like XFS's ~9 PB filesize limit. It would take some time and a lot of creative thought to create a file that big, but I'm up for the challenge.
my personal preference of all Unices is AIX
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I agreed with most of your post until I read this. Are you crazy? I'm a sys admin with a few years under my belt and I think I know Linux, Solaris, HP-UX, IRIX, all that windows/Mac/Novell stuff and a little AIX, OSF, etc. But AIX 4.3 or others have been the most trouble for me to admin since we have really old IBM hardware and it boots really slowly and isn't consistent, or maybe I'm not, one or the other. I'm curious if you could give me a few pointers when dealing with AIX or how you manage it? Do you primarily use the command line or smit? I find the more I edit things by hand and use the command line it tends to do what I want. Or if I can reconfigure it while its still on the network it usually will reboot ok. But whenever I use smit it sometimes does something I don't want it to and hangs or annoys me and wastes LOTS of my time. Any good sites for AIX pointers? Thanks.
Thanks for replying. I'll try to absorb your links soon. Its interesting that AMD is being this friendly to Microsoft, who originally wasn't going to port XP to the X86-64 stuff. I'm not a huge AMD fan either, since their clock locking and disabling dual processor capabilities in their XP line, which probably cost them extra. Maybe Power4 would be the right platform to migrate to... Alpha seems deal. Itanium and Opteron are both first generation and anything else, except maybe Ultrasprac III, doesn't really compete. I don't even know if those hammers can compete with the performance of the Power4s at the same clockspeed.
Most of Linux' command line syntax is portable or was derived from other *nix systems. chkconfig, for example, on RedHat is very similar to Irix, but of course RedHat had to go and fuck it up. But its always recommended to read the man page when you're not sure, since even ls or ps might have different options.
idiots like your parent post that don't know how to run a search on yahoo. Just think what would happen if we got rid of commercials and all of a sudden yahoo went out of business. Half the people that read your post would suddenly be lost and not no where to go to get things like food and clothes and furniture. Personally I think we should make advertising illegal, so all those people would starve. Survival of the fittest baby. ;)
Yeah, and I doubt the home user would ever need anything more than 640K. The facts are I'm a home user. I have files I'd like to use larger than 4GB. I need 64-bit.
Actually I think Quake would also demonstrate SIMD instrutions like SSE and SSE2 and 3DNOW.
Or maybe you mean the sooner we're all on Intel's DRM technology the better. See I dislike Intel for their politics which has nothing to do with their chips. Its just fortunately for me that their chips suck ass right now for performance. What worries me is that since the IA64 has so much industry support they'll fix the compiler problems and get real performance numbers out of that chip. And that chip's design could clearly wipe the floor with any X86 or most other architectures, from what I saw. But I hope it fails to marketting and timeline demands because its Intel, duh.
Furthermore, the default window manager on Linux and Solaris is mwm (Motif Window Manager), which is absolutely horrible. Among other things, it completely ceases to work if NUM LOCK is on. There's been talk about switching over to GNOME as the default, but as of now people have to ask each other how to switch to Windowmaker, FVWM, or the current GNOME environment.
How did you get rated so high? First you claim that thousands of people use this system at Carnegie Mellon to somehow justify it as a well designed network. Then you spout off the above load of BS. First mwm is not the default window manager on linux or solaris and hasn't been for years. Maybe back in the days of SunOS 4.x, but anything written in the last 5 years has been using CDE, Enlightenment, Windowmaker, KDE, GNOME, etc. The last two can look and feel an aweful lot like those windows and macs. And where did you come up with the NUM LOCK problem? Linux boxes are surprisingly stable and cheap and can run hundreds of users off of one box. They can remotely display their desktop to windows and macs as well as other unix boxes natively. They can share files with windows, macs and unix boxes easily from default installs and include all the software necessary to automate the process of moving and managing your data out of the box. Perhaps Carnegie Mellon and its supposed computer scientists don't know anything about computers or how to use them but that gives no excuse to your post. Please link to sites that can't be drawn by mozilla and give reasons for the problems with the Gimp, StarOffice, KDE and GNOME and why people, university students, would have trouble using said software. Oh and in the example of a nightmare user experience in mwm can you tell me why netscape was never displayed? It sounds to me like either you made all this up or nobody has administrated your unix network in the last 5 years. Since your post is about improving the usability of Linux do you have any suggestions?
The counterbalance IS public awareness, or education. First you gotta make education free and fun. Then you gotta work extra hard to automate the stuff we're spinning our tires on today, as well as make those jobs of automating shit fun. This requires a little creative thought, but that only comes from love. We will never get any of that from greed or capitalism. Or at least that's my fear. Occationally you do see some good come from capitalists, but usually its the same old greed and selfishness that degrades the system. I believe capitalism would work if companies minimized profits, but still made profits, while working to make the best products they can, sharing as much information as possible and limitting legal action to real crimes where real people are hurt. But capitalism would never limit itself in that way because of the greed, because people can make far more money in a corrupt system than they could in a fair system. One way to start would be staying no CEO could make more than $1 million more per year than the lowest paid employee/contractor in their corps, etc. But even with laws like that people would still find ways to cheat the system and the public. In the end it just hurts the public. They get lots of cheap, useless or replaceable tools that were designed to break in less than 5 years that were all overvalued so the company could make more money and give it to the Execs who didn't make the products. Sounds a lot like the arguements I constantly hear against communism.
bullshit. Capitalism has nothing to do with technology or industrialization. Mere coincidence.
In a true communist society why would russia have to have been in the arms race to begin with? They should have been caring about their people and taking care of their people instead of being concerned about America. This is bad leadership and management, not a fault of communism. Its like saying capitalism causes extreme violence because of all the violence in America or because of its history of military action. Capitalism had nothing to do with the choices of our representatives. It does have a little to do with why we make cheap products and have lots of greedy selfish people. But people are inherently selfish and greedy. So your arguement is to accept our differences, accept humanity for what it is. Then why are drugs illegal? Because capitalists like monopolies and you get monopolies by using legislation against certain markets. When was the last time you saw an advertisement for colloidal silver? Not sure on the spelling.
I believe the best form of society would be a society that recognizes that people have needs and wants and differences. It should work to make absolutely sure all NEEDS are fullfilled, then take care of the wants as best we can while accepting eachother's differences. And give those people the tools and information to build the automated systems to take care of the work. That's communism. Capitalists have to reinvent the wheel everytime they want to make something, or outsource all their solutions, because nothing is free, not even water. And it takes money to make money. So each citizen is place into that chicken and the egg dilema from birth. Communists recognize that nothing has any value since humanity already owns the Earth, bought and paid for. Hope you enjoy working the rest of your life, I already know I won't. But at least I got it easy. Heh, too bad for everyone else, eh?
the path of civil disobediance is not to copy movies en masse ... Such self serving actions do not look very good in the harsh light of the courtroom
I think you missed the point of civil disobediance.
Stop wasting time writing to representatives or corporations or businessmen that want to make money. When the technology arrives go out and buy yourself a nice wireless access point for around $100-$200 that gives you a broadband wireless connection. And in the mean time be talking with ALL your friends and fellow geeks about how YOU are going to create a wireless net that maps out over your city. If we all do this in all of our cities we'll be able to replace ISPs with our broadband wireless nets for a fraction the cost of the backend equipment. Then just look for software like freenet and the alternate root domains to route traffic. With a little effort and some patience we'll take back the net that was never ours to begin with. Wireless technology bundled with linux will allow you to make a router that routes between wireless access points instead of using the internet as the backbone. And a completely wireless free internet can not be controlled by anyone. But don't listen to me, I don't know anything.
is it that you'd prefer that all the companies you just besmirched created proprietary software?
Short answer: Yes! If they don't agree with the gnu philosophy then they shouldn't use GNU software. EVERYONE is moving to Linux, but why? Is it the kernel? Or is it GNU? If it is GNU then it is the idealism behind linux that gives it its power. By diluting that idealism in a bunch of words about economics nobody understands and whining how you can't make any money from free stuff or how something that's given away for free has no value. You're just like Jack Valenti. GNU software never has and never will need the support of money hungry companies. It gets its work for free from contributing members of a community. I'd prefer Suse and Caldera made their own proprietary software. I used to like SuSE, I gave them over $100 last year. But if they don't like the GNU model of software distribution they shouldn't be in this business to begin with. SuSE released 2 or 3 releases last year, stopped giving away ISOs of their products and still expect me to pay $60 for the benefit of upgrading all the free GNU software I used to download and upgrade off the net for free? I predict in the next few years, except for the very specialized applications, all software being developed or sold will be GNU software. Because its by far the most efficient method of producing these products. The free market has spoken.
Nobody is saying you can't charge for GNU software. We're just saying that you should not include non-free software with GNU to make a proprietary package that you then tell us you can't give away for free, because it has proprietary non-free software included in it. Follow the license, give away the source online with enough bandwidth to match demand, give away isos of exactly what you sell. Then sell all you want. That's the distribution model intended by GNU software. Don't like it? Write your own.
Here's a conspiracy theory for you:
CNN and other major media corps runs dotcom crash and advises people to pull their money out of the stock market. Stock market crashes. Lots of dotcoms go under. AOL buys TimeWarner/CNN and many dotcoms, also bought netscape long before the crash. Then sells a few buildings to verisign. In the mean time Verisign has integrated themselves into every browser with their supposedly secure crypto tech and now assists the government in monitoring its citizens. And AOLTW takes icq and rolls out instant messaging phones and pagers, etc. It feels to me like some companies were able to gather a lot of technology and power in this recession and now are using it to form monopolies.
child labor laws are a necessity in a manufacturing society if you want kids to grow up to be adults some day and not die in a coal mine.
That's a pretty harsh reality. I don't understand why we would need laws to protect children from this type of thing. Are we so greedy that we'd let a child die so we could become more wealthy? If so wouldn't the root cause of the problem be our greed and not child labor? Why don't we do something about the greed? Because that's entirely what our economic system is based on. That's why I say capitalism is not working, it never has. What works is our technology and industrialization, which just happened to develope about the same time America became super capitalist. So we base all our wealth off of capitalism when most of it actually should be attributed to industrial automation. But everyone still thinks the dollar is based on gold and not the work we do so I guess none of it matters anyway.
So making a less than perfect copy of something is legal, but making a perfect copy of something is illegal? By that logic mp3s are perfectly legal for us to trade since they are not perfect copies of the data the RIAA is placing on CDs, just the relevent content most people would be interrested in. Plus they are not being sold as competition for the RIAA but instead are being shared and given away for free.
Maybe he did the graphical install. I don't know. I use slackware when I don't have twice the ram and processor power I need. But I wouldn't call my friend an idiot. That wouldn't be very nice and he's a Sr. Engineer, just not a RedHat expert.